Anyone with suppressor knowledge?

[OMG its Jason]

Thinking about adding a suppressor.

Any insight on the best ones to look at?

 

[rollin_hot]

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Thinking about adding a suppressor.

Any insight on the best ones to look at?

What are you going to be using on?

 

[BELT_FED]

all the big name brands have good stuff.. that will cutt dbs by 30 with no prob. some much more....gemtech, yhm, liberty, and many many more..all have good products. i personally have shot many different name brands... (perk of working for a class 2 weapons manuf.).. gotta love those "test fires" days lol... i really like the yhm 556 phantom.. but im sure someone is going to tell you that you need one you can take apart.. while that is a nice feature.. as long as you take care of any can it will last you along time.. the full auto 556 cans will last even longer with proper cleaning... the modular 22 cans are very easy to clean but they will only fit a 22 or 17 and aluminum wears alot faster than 4140 steel.. but most will never fire enough rounds to hurt an aluminum can

 

[tallpaul]

The take apart is a good feature on a .22 can- .22 lr is dirty! As the others said it all depends on what ya want to put it on and all the big names are decent. I just ordered a .22 muzzle can and want a 5.56 can this summer I believe... we will see...

 

[mikehoncho]

i called gemtech and the rep i spoke with told me that the consumer really shouldn't be taking apart their suppressor for cleaning. they are designed to run without cleaning and if the average joe doesn't clean them properly they can actually cause more build up, especially in .22lr. this is just what i was told so don't beat the messenger. the class 3 dealer i use told me the same thing.

 

[BELT_FED]

The take apart is a good feature on a .22 can- .22 lr is dirty! As the others said it all depends on what ya want to put it on and all the big names are decent. I just ordered a .22 muzzle can and want a 5.56 can this summer I believe... we will see...

this is kinda why i suggested the phantom 556.. the large flash hider/ adaptor hole in the rear of the can makes for very easy cleaning and if he had bought it first there would be no need for a second can and 200 dollar tax.. but both like having both and if they can afford it more power to them.. but i want 1 that will fit as many guns as posible

 

[Brett248Vista]

Are you subject to yearly BATF inspections for "owning a can" like you are for owning an auto? Or is it just pay the $200 to get checked out and you're good 2 go?

 

[mikehoncho]

this is kinda why i suggested the phantom 556.. the large flash hider/ adaptor hole in the rear of the can makes for very easy cleaning and if he had bought it first there would be no need for a second can and 200 dollar tax.. but both like having both and if they can afford it more power to them.. but i want 1 that will fit as many guns as posible

one downside to a .223 can made out of steel is the weight and possible POI shift. adding a 20oz can on the end of a tacticooly loaded up 15-22 could become quite a workout to lift

 

[OMG its Jason]

Okay, Sorry for not being more specific.
I am looking for a can for a .22.
I just started kinda looking into this and I have been reading about the YHM. Is there a downside to being able to take them apart?
The post that someone just posted about getting it MORE gunked up just doesn't sound logical to me.
I also know that your not supposed to use a can for any other caliber than is designed for because of gases and such. With that said though, what about .223 and .22? would the 556 not be compatible with a .22?
Sorry for these newbie questions and i'll try to keep this as simple as possible.
I want the quietest can possible for the $$. The ones you can take apart yourself look more appealing to me for the long run, but this is why i'm asking you guys on this one.

 

[BELT_FED]

weight and size is the only reason they make different caliber cans..different calibers require different volumes of space.. ive fired 308 cans on 22s and they r just as quiet or even quieter.. but the weight has never bothered me on a 556 can.. i guess i dont care if it weights more as long as its tacticool and i dont ever have to pay the feds the tax again... ive made a phantom glow on a m16 and never had an issue with them... some of the down sides to a 22 can is that they look funny on a full size rifle and they can only be used on a rimfire.. not to mention wear in comp. with a steel can.. that being said they feel a void.. they r sweet on pistols where weight becomes a real prob.

 

[NZshooter]

Are you subject to yearly BATF inspections

Not to hijack this thread but I guess it's relevant... how often does this actually happen?

 

[BELT_FED]

basicly you can shoot any caliber smaller(weeker) than what its intended for.. dont know if its recomended but it works we have fired half a million rounds threw a phantom 556 on a 22 .. the only prob. i can see with the ones you can take apart is that if your not careful you can cross thread them and your can is scrap(they use fine threads) or because its aluminum if you get carbon or trash in your threads they r easily gumed up.. and your can is scrap.. and depending on what you clean your can with you can make the surfaces more inclined to build carbon...(back to the disadvantages of and aluminum can)

 

[CAR-15M4]

Not to hijack this thread but I guess it's relevant... how often does this actually happen?

I have owned supressors since 2002 and have NEVER had the ATF visit or contact me. That is a big misconception.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

basicly you can shoot any caliber smaller(weeker) than what its intended for.. dont know if its recomended but it works we have fired half a million rounds threw a phantom 556 on a 22 .. the only prob. i can see with the ones you can take apart is that if your not careful you can cross thread them and your can is scrap(they use fine threads) or because its aluminum if you get carbon or trash in your threads they r easily gumed up.. and your can is scrap.. and depending on what you clean your can with you can make the surfaces more inclined to build carbon...(back to the disadvantages of and aluminum can)

I think it would be cool to have a sound suppressor that doesn't look so much like a big ole can. Isn't there a way to incorporate the barrel as part of the suppressor rather than just hanging a big can off the end?

 

[BELT_FED]

ya its called intregal suppression.. and i offered to let you shoot a 10/22 that is done that way.. it looks like a bull barrel.. and some people make suppressors the same dia. as a bull barrel so they do hide..... as far as the batf coming .. they may never check you but they can at anytime.. to make sure you r storing it properly

 

[OMG its Jason]

Thanks for all your responses..
So..... Beltfed. You prefer the phantom 556 over the ones that can be disassembled?

 

[mikehoncho]

a take apart suppressor can get dirtier with cleaning if you clean it like you clean your gun, with oils to prevent corrosion. the oils will allow the baffles to build up carbon like belt fed said. unless you plan to shoot many, many thousands of rounds through it, it shouldn't be an issue. even a sealed suppressor can be cleaned with the right solvents and drained. i don't speak from first hand experience. i own a can but my dealer is still in possesion of it...waiting of the ATF...waiting...

i'm just relaying what i was told by gemtech, the producer of the can i purchased.

don't forget POI shift. the heavier weight you stick on the end of your barrel the more it will affect your zero if you plan to shoot with it on and then off. the barrel is like a bar and when you stick a weight on the end of it, it will flex. the harmonics are also affected which can shift where your bullet strikes relative to your point of aim. how much i don't know. since a .223 is still loud even with a can, i went with a .22 for my first can. i'll be able to use it on the 15-22 and on my 22/45 pistol. i sure don't want a 20oz can hanging off the end of my pistol.

 

[BELT_FED]

since a .223 is still loud even with a can, i went with a .22 for my first can. i'll be able to use it on the 15-22 and on my 22/45 pistol. i sure don't want a 20oz can hanging off the end of my pistol.[/QUOTE]

Just so you know a 22 will still be just as loud as a 223 when using hv ammo... the noise you hear with a suppressed 223 isnt so much the gun( yes the heavier bolt being thrown to the rear faster is louder) its the sonic boom of the bullet.. if you shoot hv 22s threw a 16" barrel they will go supersonic creating the same boom...

 

[mikehoncho]

Just so you know a 22 will still be just as loud as a 223 when using hv ammo... the noise you hear with a suppressed 223 isnt so much the gun( yes the heavier bolt being thrown to the rear faster is louder) its the sonic boom of the bullet.. if you shoot hv 22s threw a 16" barrel they will go supersonic creating the same boom...

i totally agree. the plan is to hopefully be able to reliably cycle subsonic ammo with the extra back pressure from the suppressor. the goal is to be able to spend more days shooting without pissing off the neighbors who might not be as gun happy as i am

i'm sure i'll end up with a .223 can someday. and one for 9mm and one for .45 and then i'll need to go full auto to feed the hunger. it's going to be a horrible never ending cycle of amazing new toys.

 

[tallpaul]

The timing is funny on this. I have had a sten and a suppressor since 91 and just started the paperwork and made the appointment with the sheriff to get a .22 can.

here is the old girl and her muffler fun but not near as accurate as I would like- the open bolt slammin around takes the edge off...

The .22 does fill up with more gunk and I believe is worth gettin one that takes down. I got a tac 65- not the highest tech one out there but affordable with a good rep for performance and usability. Definately good enough for what I need/want.

I may get a "better" can later on but for now this works well. Plenty of demo's on you tube of the tac 65 also...

I hopefully will get a .223 can this summer... they definitely take the nasty off of a .223 round for sure.

As far as using .22lr in a .223 etc check with the manufacturer as far as their recommendations... I personally wanted a lighter can for the .22lr so I don't mind an alloy dedicated .22lr suppressor. They anodize the aluminum so its a bit harder and the endcaps are replacable. There are pluses and minuses to the alloy cans.

One thing with NFA stuff is research but don't let every wannabe or cheap ass define what you want. There is a place for the "do all" and "do it cheap as possible" crowd but not necessarily in the NFA realm