ParadiseRoad
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..."Intelligence Community"...
...there's an Oxymoron for ya...
...there's an Oxymoron for ya...
APARRANTLY THE DEATH RATE IS DOUBLE WHAT THEY PREDICTED IN THE US!
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I consider it a Third World response in that we shut down almost all healthcare in order to focus on CV-19 alone. Unprecedented in my lifetime.
Who is responsible is an odd question. You trying to insinuate something? Or someone?
If it is a serious question:
Responsibility starts with IHME predicting 240,000 U.S. deaths from CV-19. Dr. Neil M. Ferguson predicted 2.2 million U.S. deaths. In light of that, Dr. Fauci recommended lockdowns. Most states complied with action by their governors.
So many hands were involved. I don't blame the governors, as they were following Federal recommendations. I don't blame Fauci, as he was reacting to recognized experts in epidemiology. So I'd say the fault is IHME and Dr Ferguson.
For the initial lockdowns.
Fauci still recommends lockdowns until there are no new cases. Ridiculous. Completely out of touch.
The problem is now with the governors. Initial action was reasonable. But as soon as it was learned that hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed, they should have started backing off on restrictions.
The freaky thing to me was that my gov resisted lockdown until a week before the tide turned. Had he waited another week, he'd have realized he didn't need to do anything.
Meanwhile, NC gov has extended lockdown til 8 May.
Graham County, NC, has had 2 cases. TWO. And they are in lockdown.
So, initial blame: the predictions of mass death.
Okay, they made mistakes. Again. IHME and Ferguson have track records that aren't good.
The problem now is state governors: they didn't, and many still haven't, backed out of lockdowns when it became obvious that the predicted catastrophic deaths weren't going to happen, and their hospitals were NOT going to be swamped.
Most state governments should get out of the lockdown business. Now.
Now 33+ million unemployed.
US weekly jobless claims total 3.169 million, seven-week tally hits 33.5 million
US weekly jobless claims total 3.169 million, seven-week tally hits 33.5 million
S&WIowegan
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I know we don't debate politics here and I have no intention of singling out one party or other. BUT, it is well to recognize that decisions are ALL strongly effected by political calculations.
Enough said.
I know we don't debate politics here and I have no intention of singling out one party or other. BUT, it is well to recognize that decisions are ALL strongly effected by political calculations.
Enough said.
Interesting, Covid entered most of the rest of the US through NYC, according to researchers. Meanwhile Mayor Big Bird was out telling everyone to enjoy themselves.
Travel From New York City Seeded Wave of U.S. Outbreaks - The New York Times
Travel From New York City Seeded Wave of U.S. Outbreaks - The New York Times
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That was some tap dance. YOU said:
"The U.S. response to CV-19 has been a Third World response."
That's a bold statement, so I asked "who was responsible for that?" BTW That's not an odd question at all. Saying the US response has been third world... is a pretty damning condemnation.
But your answer has me flabbergasted. You are saying an organization that is no way affiliated with the US Government, and is largely funded by The Bill Gates Foundation and A British epidemiologist and professor of mathematical biology are responsible for the US having a Third World response to this pandemic? Seriously? A British citizen and an independent research organization are responsible for the US Governments response to Covid19? No CDC, NIH, HHS, nobody in our Government is responsible? Wow ok I guess we disagree on that.
You also say
"So, initial blame: the predictions of mass death."
I guess we disagree in that on too. I hate to tell you, but that is exactly what we have...mass death. Over 75,000 and going up...Grandfathers, Grandmothers, Brothers, Fathers, Sisters, Mothers, Sons and Daughters. And the main reason our Hospitals are not over capacity, especially in more urban areas, is exactly because of the lock down.
We do however agree on Counties like Graham, and how the lock down has been too much of a one size fits all. Rural remote Counties should not be treated like Urban ones. And those that can go back to work safely, should be able to do so asap.
Two recent deaths in...
...the ONCE great state of Maryland underscore the sheer stupidity in reporting cause of the death attributed to the beervirus.
A 94 year old retired LEO in a nursing home with Alzheimer’s and asthma died from the beervirus. A 96 year old man did, too.
For a fact, as of May 6, 1338 people have allegedly succumbed to the beervirus in Maryland. Even if the cause of death was accurately listed, fully 793 of the deaths were patients already in nursing homes or assisted living facilities.
That means the percentage of deaths caused by the beervirus to people not already ill is LESS than .01 percent of all Maryland residents. A total of 545 people...out of more than 6 million residents. And many people question if those 545 died FROM the beervirus or WITH the beervirus.
Be safe...be well.
...the ONCE great state of Maryland underscore the sheer stupidity in reporting cause of the death attributed to the beervirus.
A 94 year old retired LEO in a nursing home with Alzheimer’s and asthma died from the beervirus. A 96 year old man did, too.
For a fact, as of May 6, 1338 people have allegedly succumbed to the beervirus in Maryland. Even if the cause of death was accurately listed, fully 793 of the deaths were patients already in nursing homes or assisted living facilities.
That means the percentage of deaths caused by the beervirus to people not already ill is LESS than .01 percent of all Maryland residents. A total of 545 people...out of more than 6 million residents. And many people question if those 545 died FROM the beervirus or WITH the beervirus.
Be safe...be well.
Puller
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...the ONCE great state of Maryland underscore the sheer stupidity in reporting cause of the death attributed to the beervirus.
A 94 year old retired LEO in a nursing home with Alzheimer’s and asthma died from the beervirus. A 96 year old man did, too.
For a fact, as of May 6, 1338 people have allegedly succumbed to the beervirus in Maryland. Even if the cause of death was accurately listed, fully 793 of the deaths were patients already in nursing homes or assisted living facilities.
That means the percentage of deaths caused by the beervirus to people not already ill is LESS than .01 percent of all Maryland residents. A total of 545 people...out of more than 6 million residents. And many people question if those 545 died FROM the beervirus or WITH the beervirus.
Be safe...be well.
I'm confused, is the beervirus the same as the kungflu?
UncleEd
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The 37,000 figure is provisional
as the CDC indicates. And the
CDC explains that the figure is
outdated by a normal two-week
or more lag in tallying all the cases.
But even at 37,000, and apparently
growing, that's a pretty big figure.
And that figure probably only covers
the time between March 1 and
April 15 or April 21.
Even today, it's been reported how
in my state while Atlanta is a hot
spot, reports are growing fast in
Gainesville, about 50 miles northeast
of Atlanta. That makes Gainesville
a new hot spot.
as the CDC indicates. And the
CDC explains that the figure is
outdated by a normal two-week
or more lag in tallying all the cases.
But even at 37,000, and apparently
growing, that's a pretty big figure.
And that figure probably only covers
the time between March 1 and
April 15 or April 21.
Even today, it's been reported how
in my state while Atlanta is a hot
spot, reports are growing fast in
Gainesville, about 50 miles northeast
of Atlanta. That makes Gainesville
a new hot spot.
NC begins it’s return to sanity today.
Record job losses, but hey they can practice social distancing on the food lines.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...s/index.html&usg=AOvVaw0spc29xTZSpHwfjLqyFoX5
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Amazing that MSM reports Unemployment numbers and rates and that is accepted as fact, yet numbers for illness and death is all a hoax?
Not at all saying that millions are unemployed but to just pick the "talking heads" (The experts) of course and ignore the virus stats on the right?.
Unemployment is done online and the images of people standing in line is for the wow factor,
Maybe most of those unemployed are still alive and able to collect UCB??
Not at all saying that millions are unemployed but to just pick the "talking heads" (The experts) of course and ignore the virus stats on the right?.
Unemployment is done online and the images of people standing in line is for the wow factor,
Maybe most of those unemployed are still alive and able to collect UCB??
77,559 dead now.
It might get worse on the meat situation. There is a backlog of fat cattle waiting for slaughter. Producers in MT, who have already asked the feds to look into the disparity between prices paid for cattle and prices of beef are not being offered contracts for fall cattle sales. Do they keep them, buy more feed and do without a paycheck this year? Lots of questions remain. Most of us in rural communities are fine as we don't buy our beef or pork from the store but I can see poaching increase as big city people run out.
Release the hordes. 
2lmaker
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As an obese, diabetic, former smoker, I just want to say I appreciate those of you that are trying to protect me from a virus that I believe could kill my wife and I if we are exposed to it.
As a former firefighter, I want to say I understand that taking risks to earn a living is a fact of life and I get the desire to downplay the risk and get back to work.
There has to be common ground- figuring out what that is will take strong unified leadership and communication that is inherently honest and reliable, on both sides of the podium.
Oh well, I guess I am already dead.
As a former firefighter, I want to say I understand that taking risks to earn a living is a fact of life and I get the desire to downplay the risk and get back to work.
There has to be common ground- figuring out what that is will take strong unified leadership and communication that is inherently honest and reliable, on both sides of the podium.
Oh well, I guess I am already dead.
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It looking like the covid death toll will be 115,000 +/- by the end of May. That's pretty horrific.
We need a way to accommodate that horrible reality with the reality that we need to get the economy restarted and there may never be a vaccine or a treatment.
I'd rather my kids be alive than at work.
ParadiseRoad
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...adjusted for population...about 3.6% of the 1918 total...
...you have a ways to go yet...
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