AR manufacturer debate - let's have some fun

Which AR do you prefer? Pick one or more.

  • Colt

    Votes: 50 37.3%
  • Stag

    Votes: 8 6.0%
  • S&W

    Votes: 13 9.7%
  • Bushmaster

    Votes: 13 9.7%
  • DPMS

    Votes: 6 4.5%
  • Daniel Defense

    Votes: 8 6.0%
  • Custom built

    Votes: 24 17.9%
  • Other quality maker

    Votes: 47 35.1%

  • Total voters
    134
  • Poll closed .
Anyone buying a firearm should investigate the quality of what they are buying, by reading reviews, going to the Mfg. websites, watching videos, whatever it takes to know what is or isn't quality. Seems like a sizeable number just want a black rifle for as little as they can pay, but they're the loudest complainers when it gives problems . . .

One of the main advantages of building your own AR rifles is that you gain a thorough understanding of how they work and how they go together. After you've built a few, there are rarely any problems you can't diagnose and solve. You're also able to look at somebody else's build and see potential problems.
 
I sure like Mil-Spec the parts seem to fit.
I agree, but there is a difference between fitting and precisely fitting.
I have 3, one built by my son, a Palmetto Arms, a Springfield Armory Saint Pistol and a Daniel Defense PDW Pistol 300BO. They all go bang, they're all reliable, but tolerances of how they go together are night and day.
We won't even discuss the Palmetto, it works. The Saint fits together tight, no slop and very accurate. The Daniel fits together precisely, items you thought were tight on the Saint now feel loose compared to the Daniel, zero movement. I don't have one, but I here the Wilsons feel the same way, I know their 1911's are that way.
Not knocking lower ends or home builds, just saying there can be a big difference in the fit and finish.
In this day in age, just be glad you have any one of them.
 
And EXPENSIVE.:confused:

BITD (early 80's) a Colt SP1 AR-15 sold every day at Sugerman's for $429. Every now and then they would go on sale for $399.

I forgot what the exact price of the Ruger Mini-14 was but it was cheaper, by at least 50-75 bucks.

Fast forward, before the covid-19 and new administration, you could pick up AR's for less than $600, and Mini-14's were more expensive.

Of course, Colt was the only game in town in 1982. Now every manufacturer seems to make an AR rifle, including Ruger and S&W.

But only Ruger makes a Mini-14.
 
I have a DPMS, a CMMG, and a Spikes lower with a upper I bought years ago off GB from a dude selling under the name Blackout Defense.

DPMS, and the CMMG lowers are stamped as SBR's.

I'd put either of them up against the high end AR's.

My first AR had a PWA "Pack West Arms" lower with a 3 digit serial number. Saw a stripped 3 digit PWA lower for sale a few years ago for $1,300.
 
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For those unfamiliar with the evolution of AR rifles in general, DPMS started as Defense Procurement Management Systems and specialized in sourcing parts manufacturers for the M16 rifles, both new manufacture and replacement parts. Having that base of supply, DPMS started manufacturing complete rifles for the civilian market.

At various times many companies have taken up military arms contracts.

Signal Lamp Company made US M3 .45 submachineguns.
Rock-Ola (juke box manufacturer) made US M60 machineguns.
My issued M14 rifle in basic training was made by TRW, a satellite company of the 1960s era.
My first M16A1 rifle was made by General Motors Hydramatic Division.
GM-Inland Division made M1 Carbines.
National Postal Meter made M1 Carbines.
Union Switch & Signal Company made M1911A-1 pistols.
Singer Sewing Machines Company made M1911A-1 pistols.
Remington-Rand (typewriter company) made M1911A-1 pistols.
General Electric Company did all the R&D leading up to the Vulcan cannons and mini-guns, all based on a couple of old Gatling guns made by Colt Firearms back in the 1880s or so.
General Shaver Company (razor blades) made pistol magazines during WW2.
Union Fork & Hoe Company manufactured bayonets for many years.
Wilde Tool Company also made bayonets for the M1 and Springfield rifles.

On the other hand:
Remington Arms made a very fine line of knives.
Winchester made excellent padlocks, also some good pocket knives.
Oliver Winchester manufactured bicycles before purchasing the rights to the Henry lever-action rifles.

Hundreds of other examples exist.

The very first example of mass production was to standardize the parts necessary to complete rifles, rather than relying on individual shops making locks, trigger assemblies, barrels, and other parts. The old expression "lock, stock, and barrel" refers to the process of mass production of completed firearms by a single source with interchangeable parts rather than laborious hand-fitting of everything.

Standardized designs, interchangeable parts and assemblies within an established range of manufacturing tolerances, these concepts have been with us for about 175 years or so. Over the past 40 years or so we have seen advances in CNC machining, computer-controlled manufacturing devices, laser measuring devices that automatically adjust processes to compensate for tooling wear during use, these are the real news.

Completing a rifle (or other consumer product) with precision parts having minimal manufacturing tolerances to maximize performance, that is where the differences come into play.

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Colt did not invent the AR-15 rifle. The original manufacturer was Armalite Corporation with a design team headed by Gene Stoner. Much of the development work was done during the latter 1950's and early 1960's, and prototypes were submitted for US military consideration. At that time the US military was still heavily involved in trying to replace the M1 Garand rifle with the new M14, little more than a modification of the M1 to accept a detachable box magazine with a shortened (and less maintenance intensive gas piston/operating rod system) and chambered for the new 7.62mm NATO round (T-65, subsequently offered commercially as the .308 Winchester). Relatively few US military units had yet received the new M14 rifles, and President Kennedy was reportedly quite distressed while touring West Germany (circa 1961-62) to learn that our troops facing off with Soviet-aligned powers in defense of Europe were still using the M1 rifles.

The Armalite AR-15 rifle was rejected by the US Army. Colt Firearms purchased the manufacturing rights and successfully lobbied for adoption of the new rifle for military contracts (circa 1965-66).

A confluence of political considerations contributed to the adoption of the new M16 rifles. Years of delay in implementing the M14 rifle adoption, US involvement in Vietnam, and a new administration following the assassination of JFK all had effects on these decisions.

For those of us in the Army at the time the new M16 rifles came along, the plastic stocks and aluminum receivers, along with the "space age" appearance overall, led to a comparison with the popular television commercials of the day for Mattel toys; "YOU CAN TELL IT'S MATTEL, IT'S SWELL".

After months of training with bayonets and rifles used for horizontal and vertical butt-strokes in close combat, the new plastic toys were not quite as highly regarded as they seem to be today.
 
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Have several AR15s but my favorite are two Stag #3s...with 75 grain PRVI Match ammo they shoot way under MOA out to 600 yards...
 
I'm pretty happy with my dpms panther ap4 that I got a couple of years ago. It was $423 after mfg rebate
 
BCM, older ( pre 2010) Noveske, Centurion Arms, Black River Tactical, Geissele, Larue, and just about in that order. All of my ARs are home built except for one which is a BCM. BCM makes the consistantly best ARs on the market and have since their founding by Paul Bafoni.
 
Presuming that you're an AR fan, which of the guns do you prefer?

'Which of the guns do you prefer' is a good question. Though I wish you didn't call it 'AR manufacturer debate.'

It's been 15 years since I looked into to it. Back then, there were 4. Just 4. I presume there still aren't many manufacturers, just retailers.
 
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