Arizona new CC Bills

[ENGINE18]

There are several new CC bills in the Arizona Legislature, many of which are expected to pass given the Rep. governor and the 2A majority. I only have the information provided by the Arizona Republic Newspaper, so I'm taking it w/a grain of salt until I find out more! Of course the libs are screaming, as are at least one LEO association.

There's a lot to look at but basically, at least one bill removes the requirement for a CCW permit and allows any law abiding citizen to CC. Another bill seems to remove restrictions form firearms manufactured in Arizona. (Ruger)

You can search azcentral.com for more info. I'll attempt to find the bills and try and post or reference them.

 

[ENGINE18]

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[2000Z-71]

Summary of the current bills:

Weapons measures
Some of the bills aimed at loosening weapons regulations this session:

• Bills: House Bill 2307; Senate Bill 1098.

Sponsors: Rep. Nancy McLain, R-Bullhead City; Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa.

Summary: Exempts any firearm or ammunition manufactured and kept in Arizona from federal regulation, including registration.
Status: Passed by House Judiciary Committee, moves to Rules Committee; Senate bill was held in Senate Judiciary Committee.

• Bills: House Bill 2347; Senate Bill 1102.

Sponsors: Rep. Frank Antenori, R-Tucson; Pearce.

Summary: Would no longer require people to get a concealed-weapon permit. Would make it legal to keep a loaded weapon in a locked vehicle on school grounds and prohibit anybody younger than 21 from carrying a concealed firearm.

Status: House bill referred to House Military Affairs and Public Safety Committee and the House Judiciary Committee; Senate bill passed Senate Judiciary Committee, moves to Senate Rules.

• Bills: House Bill 2543; Senate Bill 1168.

Sponsors: Rep. David Gowan, R-Sierra Vista; Pearce.

Summary: Extends restrictions on local governments from regulating firearms and ammunition to include the purchase, acquisition, storage, licensing or registration of such items. The bill also would prohibit cities and counties from banning firearms in parks.

Status: House bill referred to House Military Affairs and Public Safety Committee and the House Judiciary Committee; Senate bill referred to Senate Judiciary Committee.

• Bill: Senate Bill 1011.

Sponsor: Sen. Jack Harper, R-Surprise.

Summary: Would allow a faculty member of a state university or community college who has a valid concealed-carry permit to carry a deadly weapon onto school grounds.

Status: Referred to Senate Public Safety and Human Services Committee.

• Bill: Senate Bill 1021.

Sponsor: Pearce.

Summary: Would expand instances when a person is justified in using deadly force.

Status: Passed Senate Judiciary Committee and the Senate Rules Committee, moves on to a full Senate vote.

• Bill: Senate Bill 1153.

Sponsor: Sen. Chuck Gray, R-Mesa.

Summary: Would prohibit local government from imposing any regulation on the possession, carrying, sale, transfer or manufacturing of knives.

Status: Passed Senate Judiciary Committee, moves on to Senate Rules Committee.

• Bill: House Bill 2406.

Sponsor: Antenori.

Summary: Would change the requirements for signs prohibiting the possession of weapons in restaurants and bars to within 20 feet of each register, at every entrance and behind the bar. Anybody who brings in a weapon would not violate the law if the signs weren't properly posted. The law currently requires a sign immediately adjacent to the liquor license.

Status: Referred to House Commerce Committee and House Judiciary Committee.

• Bill: Senate Bill 1015.

Sponsor: Harper.

Summary: Would also change the posting requirements for restaurants and bars but does not require the signs at all three areas (near registers, at entrances and behind the bar) - only at one.

Status: Referred to the Senate Commerce and Economic Development Committee.

Source: Legislation Online Arizona

 

[FirebirdV8]

Hopefully, at least one of the last two passes. There are a few restaurants in Flag that aren't post, unless they are keeping it a secret, and others that are doing it completely wrong. I wouldn't mind the others ones passing either.

 

[ENGINE18]

2000Z-71, thanks, you saved me some work! Good job!

What do you all think of these proposed laws?

 

[2000Z-71]

Overall, I am in agreement with them except for House Bill 2347; Senate Bill 1102. I've read through it and I'm still confused. The proposal is a Strike Through of the existing concealed carry statute. I'm not sure what the consequences of that are. If it is doing away with permits in general or if it retains permits but does not make it a crime to carry concealed without one. It also passed out of committee today with a recommendation to pass.

Currently we do enjoy widespread reciprocity with a lot of states. I'm concerned how this measure would affect that. I do travel quite a bit to Colorado and I carry while I am there. In Colorado, they will only honor permits that the holder is a resident of. In other words my Arizona permit is good there since I am a resident, but me holding a Utah permit is not recognized.

Another side effect, as a permit holder, I do not have to submit for a background check when I purchase a firearm. how will that be affected by the lack of permits?

It also brings up my inner debate between my libertarian and gun snob views. On one hand the government shouldn't be in the business of determining who has the right to carry. On the other hand I feel there should be a mandatory IQ test for the issue of a permit. I have no problem with our current system. The cost is minimal as well as the time required for training. While the training required is not enough to make an individual an expert in the law or proficient with a firearm, it at least makes them familiar with the subject and is a good starting point for them to continue to educate themselves and wor towards proficiency.

 

[jkc]

I'm among the first batch of instructors certified by AZ's Dept. of Public Safety to teach the original CCW classes, and have always objected to the "instruction" requirements for obtaining a permit. The original 16 hours of training (subsequently even further reduced) are entirely inadequate to inculcate any competency, and give novice shooters the impression that they've been "trained" in self-defense shooting technique, use of force and legal issues, etc. The original and vestigial training requirements always were a sop to objectors who claimed that the streets would flow with the blood of fender-bender disputants and the like. Now that we've got years of experience to the contrary, it's time to waive the bogus training requirements and issue permits to everyone whose prior bad behavior doesn't prohibit them from legally possessing a firearm.

 

[AZretired]

I'm among the first batch of instructors certified by AZ's Dept. of Public Safety to teach the original CCW classes, and have always objected to the "instruction" requirements for obtaining a permit. The original 16 hours of training (subsequently even further reduced) are entirely inadequate to inculcate any competency, and give novice shooters the impression that they've been "trained" in self-defense shooting technique, use of force and legal issues, etc. The original and vestigial training requirements always were a sop to objectors who claimed that the streets would flow with the blood of fender-bender disputants and the like. Now that we've got years of experience to the contrary, it's time to waive the bogus training requirements and issue permits to everyone whose prior bad behavior doesn't prohibit them from legally possessing a firearm.

I agree but as I understand it they will still issue permits to those who want them. I carry under LEOSA so I never took the CCW training course but heard it ain't much. With all the guns in AZ and open carry I don't see how this could make AZ any less safe.