At 50yd why bother with scope?

[BAM-BAM]

What's a HALO jump? Is that an Internet Warrior term or something righteous?

HALO = High Altitude Low Opening........ parachute jump..... free fall from +20,000 ft to open at <2000 ft....... generally in the dark of night!

Your altitudes may vary !!!!!!

 

[Rastoff]

Concerning defensive shooting:

I think it shooting a rifle with both eyes open is easier with a red dot.

Agreed. There's less confusion between eyes.

 

[cyphertext]

HALO = High Altitude Low Opening........ parachute jump..... free fall from +20,000 ft to open at <2000 ft....... generally in the dark of night!

Your altitudes may vary !!!!!!

And I have no plans of doing this with or without optics!

 

[rockquarry]

Okay, thanks for clearing up the definition of HALO. We've come a long way in this thread from a good choice of sights for fifty-yard shooting to parachuting from airplanes. Sounds scary to me.

 

[Rastoff]

I’ve never seen a group of people like the AR crowd so worried about what somebody else wants.

This is funny considering how backwards it is.
You came to this thread about optics on an AR because you are thinking about getting an AR15 even though you've very clearly stated, "I’m not into any semi auto rifles so I’m not interested in AR with optics."

Everyone here has only stated reasons why they would want one sighting system or another for themselves. Or they have offered up options. Not one has "worried" about what you want.

In fact, you started your part of this thread by trying to insult us all.

Today new shooters are like check outs in big box stores. They can’t make change for a dollar without the computer cash register. New shooters tend to buy all the bling when they buy the gun. Red dots, reflex, scopes and lasers. They couldn’t shoot without them. A m16 would easily take down 300 meter targets with aperture battle sights.
I’m not into ARs but would like to pick up one similar to M16 because of current social ills. Carry handle, battle sights. Hardly any sold like this. I guess Colt had one for $2300 RVn vets are generally not stupid enough to pay that.

In this you start by saying anyone younger than Viet Nam age can't think. Then you insinuate that anyone who uses a sight, other than iron sights, can't shoot. Then you say that if someone paid $2,300 for a rifle, they're stupid. But we're the ones who are worried about what someone else wants?

 

[AManWearingAHat]

Rastoff makes an excellent point. I'm in the generation you threw rocks at.

I own several AR's in various configurations. From my High Power set up to my Home Defense rifle. I can clean prone targets with my "A4" looking standard rifle length and I'm a competitive two gun shooter with my home defense AR. I can make reliable hits out to 600 with my DMR set up or my high power rifle. Would you still call me a bad shot because I don't worship at the altar of bone stock iron and wood? I made well researched decisions when building based on what I wanted my rifles to do. I'm trying to share that experience with you and save you some money on a rifle that will work well for your stated purpose.

People have been trying to express what works well under constraints of time, match pressure, and distance. Sure its not 1:1 to the real world but it is experience from people who are well practiced with AR-15s. If you want to insult us for it and tell us we're dumb for finding what works best, that's on you I guess.

 

[bmcgilvray]

Hey, it's a forum and everyone who participates in a topic has an opinion they wish to share.

If we're all just going to get on here and glad-hand one another and sing Kum Ba Yah together then there's no opportunity for learning from differing viewpoints.

 

[REM 3200]

I have several HGs for HD/SP and finally picked up a Sport II, all because I have ~3,500 extra bullets, powder, and primers extra. My Remington .222 needs were over-estimated and over-ordered. Got bullets, got powder, got primers... so I figured picking up a Sport II.

Bottom line is that my immediate "defend my own property" is at best ~50yd in any direction. And NO, I do not plan on pursuing beyond my property in case of HD/SD. That being said, is it safe to say that I do NOT need to even think about adding a scope to my new Sport II? BTW, if I need 200yd then I have my Remington .722 with a 10x Weaver(El Paso,TX) that is nearly as old as I am... . Plus have a 9mm Sub-2k...

Not wanting to over-think this but with all of this CoronaVirus Lock-down going on, I am planning on/for any possible breach in normal societal behavior. Any thoughts on this subject? Not planning on having a tricked out "super AR" or anything...

Folks are friendly here in Texas for now, yet I suspect a less than current acknowledgement of the true problem coming at us.

I agree with your thoughts. At 78 my eyes need some help, so I am not confident in my ability with irons in an emergency. I put a Aimpoint PRO red dot with a 2 moa dot on my AR 15. I figure any thing past 50 yards is going to be hard to convince the DA it was self defense. I don't need any magnification at 50yards. The zero is set to 50 yards on the bullet rise and again at approx. 230 yards on the way down. It's no more than 3 inches off the line of sight over those distances.

 

[Kadonny]

Yeah, good luck finding a Colt A2 clone or similar in these times. Hell, it was hard to find one before all this **** happened, companies just are not making them anymore out of the box. Most people I've seen assemble their own clone style. Anyway.

 

[Grayfox]

Getting back to the OT. While I'm not a big fan of the AR, I do own a M&P Sport II. I put a 1X4 scope on it simply because my old eyes can pick it up faster than irons. I generally keep it set at 1X, but the 4X is there if I need it.

And on all the other discussion here. IF, and that's a really big IF I were to get another AR, I'd like to have one set up like the old M-16A1 I used back in my Army days in the early 70s. Triangular handguard and all. No particular reason. Just for nostalgia's sake.

Honestly, for a close range defensive rifle, I prefer the M1 Carbine. However, in the proverbial SHTF scenario, AR ammo would be much easier to come by.

 

[Bumpus13]

LOL - Thread did not to as OP intended.

I’ll toss in my two cents anyway ...

Only own one. A Colt 6920. Swapped the BUIS for a detachable carry handle & the forearm for a Magpul, then added a angled foregrip just because it felt better. Other than that - lots of extra mags and ammo.

You all may do as you wish with yours. Enjoy.


Edit: Oh, and a nylon two point sling. (not pictured)

 

[HorizontalMike]

Resting Loaded AR15 Magazines

I appreciate all of your varied advice/opinions RE +- regarding scopes.
As a followup, now that I have acquired a few additional magazines for my new MP-15 Sport II, I am looking for advice regarding these "30rd Magpul" magazines:

1. How often should I consider emptying and "resting" each magazine? Week? Months? A year?
   
2. How about alternating 4-mags on while 4-mags are resting? Am I over thinking this?...
   
3. If I want to leave the magazine(s) loaded for extended lengths of time, should I only load say ~25 of the 30 capacity in order to preserve the spring?
   
4. Is it detrimental to leave a full 30rd magazine fully loaded permanently?
   

THANKS in advance!

 

[Rastoff]

1. How often should I consider emptying and "resting" each magazine? Week? Months? A year?
   
2. How about alternating 4-mags on while 4-mags are resting? Am I over thinking this?...
   
3. If I want to leave the magazine(s) loaded for extended lengths of time, should I only load say ~25 of the 30 capacity in order to preserve the spring?
   
4. Is it detrimental to leave a full 30rd magazine fully loaded permanently?
   

THANKS in advance!

1. Never
2. Yes, overthinking.
3. Load them up all the way if you want.
4. No, not detrimental at all.


I have scads of P-Mags. They're great. I leave my mags fully loaded all the time. Some have been loaded for years. None have ever failed me.

For the record, this applies to all mags, not just P-Mags. I have no doubt that someone will come here and say that leaving them loaded will spread the feed lips. That is a myth. Again, I leave mine loaded all the time and they all still work fine.


On another note, I actually prefer Lancer mags, but they're really expensive.

 

[cyphertext]

I appreciate all of your varied advice/opinions RE +- regarding scopes.
As a followup, now that I have acquired a few additional magazines for my new MP-15 Sport II, I am looking for advice regarding these "30rd Magpul" magazines:

1. How often should I consider emptying and "resting" each magazine? Week? Months? A year?
   
2. How about alternating 4-mags on while 4-mags are resting? Am I over thinking this?...
   
3. If I want to leave the magazine(s) loaded for extended lengths of time, should I only load say ~25 of the 30 capacity in order to preserve the spring?
   
4. Is it detrimental to leave a full 30rd magazine fully loaded permanently?
   

THANKS in advance!

Overthinking. Load them up, they will outlast you! Not scientific or based on fact, just personal opinion!

 

[sdarc]

from an Army Ranger WarroirPoet, if going to be doing tac reloads download by one. Gives space for when slamming the mag in. Some clearance. Saw it on YouTube.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPdIXXjM9z8[/ame]

 

[shep854]

Another option: Load your mags with 30 (NOT 31!) rounds, then try to insert each one into your rifle under a closed bolt. If they ALL lock in easily, stick with 30. If even one is hard to lock in, remove one round from every mag so they have 29 each. Thus way, they will all load the same, reducing the chance for fumbling in a ‘special’ situation.

 

[cyphertext]

from an Army Ranger WarroirPoet, if going to be doing tac reloads download by one. Gives space for when slamming the mag in. Some clearance. Saw it on YouTube.

YouTube

Pmags have the space needed to insert on a closed bolt with 30 rounds in the magazine. Notice in the video, he loaded 31 in the magazine. Load the 30 round Pmag with 30 rounds and they work as designed.

 

[rwsmith]

Maybe not for an AR.....

,,,but I like open top V notch sights to get a good sight picture at close range. For fast work they are pretty tops in my book.

 

[rwsmith]

That's slim barrels for you...

A bit of caution if you take their advice as I did, I tried one of those Faxon firearms light profile barrels... they're garbage. I had it fully free floated and it would open up to 6-8 inch groups at 50 yards in under 15 rounds worth of barrel heat. Repeatably. Everything was properly torqued with proper tools, checked everything and retested, same issues. Took a credit card dispute to get Faxon's customer service to respond to me and 3+ weeks of emails to get my refund. Never. Again.

If you are going to shoot two bullets every hour or so and have to carry it around, that's an ok place for a slim barrel.

I'm going to shoot at least 20 shots with any gun at the shooting range in fairly quick succession. I have a slim barreled 30-06 that is a great hunter but NOT a range gun on account of the whippy barrel. About 8-10 shots, max.

 

[HorizontalMike]

Pmags have the space needed to insert on a closed bolt with 30 rounds in the magazine. Notice in the video, he loaded 31 in the magazine. Load the 30 round Pmag with 30 rounds and they work as designed.

Unfortunately I have had issues with my 9mm PMags that came with my Sub-2K, in that the "17+1" Pmags only fit 16rd and the spring would bind (much like the above "31" loaded AR Pmag in the YouTube video). I had to revert back to using only S&W 17+1 9mm mags in my Sub-2K as a result.

Hence the reason I asked about the PMags that come with the Sport II AR15. I guess that I am a bit leery, considering my past PMag experience in 9mm Sub-2K was not the best.

That said above, the idea underlying the "tactical reload" scenario/situation sounds like the most believable reason for having/using a less-than full magazine when reloading with a closed bolt on an AR15. Not trying to sow discontent, but having an easier time reloading magazines sounds like a plus to me, even at the range.