vonn
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I have 1000 yard capabilities as well as close quarter capabilities. Milsurp battle rifles and hunting rifles that make drt out of whatever you aim at.
At 50yd why bother with scope?
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Old style A2 rifles are still available. Actually they've become popular again.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-20-classic-a2-rifle.html
The A2 uppers and stocks are available if you want to convert. There's lots of them out there.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-20-classic-a2-rifle.html
The A2 uppers and stocks are available if you want to convert. There's lots of them out there.
cyphertext
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Close, but has removable carry handle so not an A2.
shep854
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For the 5.56 in most parts of the country, the scope's main benefit is target ID. If the shooter's up to it, precision for a tight shot (an assailant peeking/aiming around cover) is a plus. I'm one of those whose older eye appreciates a dot, though when I finally get my A1 clone with the full-length sight plane, the front sight should be back in focus.
When all's said and done, though, nothing teaches and reinforces the fundamentals like 'iron' sights, even if only the plastic back-ups. I do like putting a removable carry handle on to really get down with irons, though.
When all's said and done, though, nothing teaches and reinforces the fundamentals like 'iron' sights, even if only the plastic back-ups. I do like putting a removable carry handle on to really get down with irons, though.
Rastoff
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No, but this is: LEWIS MACHINE & TOOL AR-15 A2 UPPER RECEIVER STRIPPED BLEMISHED | Brownells
So, yeah, the A2 upper is readily available. Why anyone would want one is beyond me though.
TripLeader
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Concerning defensive shooting:
I think it shooting a rifle with both eyes open is easier with a red dot.
I think it shooting a rifle with both eyes open is easier with a red dot.
bulletslap
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For a defense/utility AR I prefer the A1 type setup, I have a pretty severe astigmatism so Illuminated Dots look like a tear drop of a blurry mess to me, so instead I use a 1X prismatic illuminationated scope for close range on flattops.
I have more trouble with iron sights now as compared to a few years ago.
There is a YouTube channel called InRAnge TV, and they have some interesting episodes on the AR, called What Would Stoner Do ?
It involves quite a bit of decluttering an AR.
I have more trouble with iron sights now as compared to a few years ago.
There is a YouTube channel called InRAnge TV, and they have some interesting episodes on the AR, called What Would Stoner Do ?
It involves quite a bit of decluttering an AR.
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Sorry, but the A2 is virtually identical to an A1, it just has a micrometer adjustable rear sight adjusted by knobs, not a bullet tip like an A1.
The ARs that had an A2-style detachable handle were typically A3s and A4s. My HBAR MATCH TARGET is an A2 and the carry handle is fixed to the upper.
AManWearingAHat
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A bit of caution if you take their advice as I did, I tried one of those Faxon firearms light profile barrels... they're garbage. I had it fully free floated and it would open up to 6-8 inch groups at 50 yards in under 15 rounds worth of barrel heat. Repeatably. Everything was properly torqued with proper tools, checked everything and retested, same issues. Took a credit card dispute to get Faxon's customer service to respond to me and 3+ weeks of emails to get my refund. Never. Again.
cyphertext
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Maybe you misunderstood what my post said... I said that the rifle with the detachable carry handle is not an A2. The A2 had the carry handle as part of the forging of the upper. Made no remark regarding the difference between A1 and A2.
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Simply because some of us got lazy eyes, Myself included.
bmcgilvray
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I'll agree with you Drm50.
For me, this is the best way to do AR 15. Don't want shorties, don't want flat tops, don't want accessory sight baggage. This '73 vintage Colt SP-1 was purchased in the late 1980s and has served my purposes ever since.
Truth is I don't much like the AR 15, but then truth is, I'm a fogy.
I'd rather have an M1 Carbine for a light rifle.
At 50 yards extra sighting equipment isn't really required on a rifle. I particularly want to do without it. Now if the ol' eyes start failing we'll revisit this attitude.
Woke up the Saturday morning of the last weekend of deer season here back in January not knowing that I was going deer hunting again one more time before the season closed. On a whim I used the M1 to take a doe at 56 steps that afternoon. It was no muss and no fuss, right through the heart.
I have a family member who retired from the Special Forces and did many tours using his weapon in combat and he used and trained people on the fanciest and most expensive rifles the US Government owns. He believed, and also trained his people to be extremely proficient with iron sights and that's what he always used on his weapon until the specific mission dictated a change, like at night time a red dot or night scope, or for out in the open desert a long range scope.
I’ve never seen a group of people like the AR crowd so worried about what somebody else wants. ARs are built from target grade to bare bones, ready for all the aftermarket stuff you can clamp on.
I want simple one to shoot a few varmits with. I’m not planning on doing any HALO jumps with Seal Teams. I don’t go to a range, just go down the road apiece. When it gets right down to it most of these ARs are range toys.
I want simple one to shoot a few varmits with. I’m not planning on doing any HALO jumps with Seal Teams. I don’t go to a range, just go down the road apiece. When it gets right down to it most of these ARs are range toys.
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I'll agree with you Drm50.
For me, this is the best way to do AR 15. Don't want shorties, don't want flat tops, don't want accessory sight baggage. This '73 vintage Colt SP-1 was purchased in the late 1980s and has served my purposes ever since.
Truth is I don't much like the AR 15, but then truth is, I'm a fogy.
I'd rather have an M1 Carbine for a light rifle.
At 50 yards extra sighting equipment isn't really required on a rifle. I particularly want to do without it. Now if the ol' eyes start failing we'll revisit this attitude.
Woke up the Saturday morning of the last weekend of deer season here back in January not knowing that I was going deer hunting again one more time before the season closed. On a whim I used the M1 to take a doe at 56 steps that afternoon. It was no muss and no fuss, right through the heart.
Good post; makes a lot of sense.
cyphertext
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Well, this is an AR forum for discussion. You say you want a simple one, yet you don't. A simple one would be the M&P 15 Sport, fixed front sight, flip up rear... bare bones AR rifle. Just because it has a rail to add an optic does not mean that you must. Perfectly capable rifle for your use. I guarantee that the SEAL teams are not performing any HALO jumps with this rifle.
You have the requirement for the A2 rifle, which is no longer as popular and not regularly sold in the big box stores. That A2 upper is now a specialty rifle.
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I don’t think I stuttered, I said exactly what I want. A2 type of Colt manufacture. I don’t see how it could be much simpler. Give me a break it’s not that technical. There is nothing to figure out or argue over. Give it a rest.
cyphertext
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Then go buy one and quit griping about not being able to find it on a S&W forum!
Every suggestion that I have made will meet your "needs" that you have identified. If you want a specific configuration that is not S&W, you are in the wrong forum. The sign on the door says "Smith and Wesson M&P15 Rifles Dedicated to the Smith & Wesson M&P-15 Rifles". I don't see how it could be much simpler.
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What's a HALO jump? Is that an Internet Warrior term or something righteous?
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