Atrocity Modifications

That 1911 is one handsome pistol. The stocks/grips are just cool.

2. As the proud owner of this thing:


Sure they are, but some old coot scratched his name into it!



And he replaced the sights! And he drilled a hole and tucked a little mirror into the slide! (and if I'm honest there are so many things changed about this gun I forget them all off the top of my head).

The grips though were a wedding gift to Elmer from another old time gun writer named E.A. Price, which is why the initials EAP are on the other panel:



I think that I should also point out that I enjoy this gun not just because of it's extensive history, but also because I genuinely like the modifications made to it. If I found this gun without any of the history I would be nearly as happy with it, and many would consider it an abomination.
 
Well, since this old model 58 is the only unmodified gun I own, I guess I would have to say I am in the "Your gun, your money" camp.
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This is a thread for the sharing of once fine S&W revolvers who found their way into the hands of the worst kind of gun plumber. That spent time in the foul lair of this guy, and emerged deformed and grotesque.

It is also a thread I hope to be educational, if you post a gun point out why the things done to it were an atrocity, and note all the things that you see wrong with it.

First up:

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A gun which was once a 1917. Polished to a disgusting degree, making for about the most pronounced sideplate dishing you are ever likely to see.

Equipped with a set of Micro sights, which also were polished heavily, and a set of what appear to have been original targets turned into some kind of uncomfortable as heck "art"

And of course the hack who re-blued this gun had to do the hammer and trigger.

Next up:

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What was once a C serialed M&P, also polished well past the point of good taste. Speaking of good taste going out the window we have a jeweled or engine turned trigger.

The sights and hammer have also been bad touched.

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It's difficult to tell what exactly is going on with them, and I'm not sure what kind of sight the rear even is. it appears to be resting atop of the frame more or less. The front sight appears to have been built up, before it too was treated to the not so tender buffing wheel.

The hammer was also modified, but again it's difficult to tell what exactly happened to it.

In both cases these guns both fall into this category:

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With such outward molestation, who knows what kind of dangerous gun plumbing went on inside...

First off, I would say that the things you had to say about the first gun are a little harsh. This work as far as fit and finish looks professional. Nothing about these pictures scream outward incompetence. These are just very unique modifications you do not see everyday.

I personally think the blueing and polishing looks very well done.

The grips look very nice as well, a nice custom job and I am sure they have a unique requested by the shooter.

Just because you personally find it unattractive and think it was modified in bad taste does not make it an atrocity.
Just my opinion. Everyone has one
-Sam
 
I have to say though, the pin protruding from the end of the locking lug would bug me. I'm trying to picture the innards there...could you just take off part of the protruding part of the pin, and round it off? Or would that potentially get hung up inside if you did that?

I couldn't really use the locking lug because the Housing had been cut too short. So the ball detent had to work In lieu of the locking lug.

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Bigbill's quote, your gun might not be collectable right now but give it Time it can become collectable. One example is the Ruger security sixes. Even the bicentennial 1776/1976 inscription are worth more today. It doesn't matter what brand or model anything can become sought after again in time.

I was told once a 1976 Ruger bicentennial police service six model GF32 that was never in the Ruger catalogue would never be collectable. It was produced only in 1976 for a short production run. It's sought after today.
I seen a 1977 police service six without the inscription sell for $750.
 
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Bigbill's quote, your gun might not be collectable right now but give it Time it can become collectable. One example is the Ruger security sixes. Even the bicentennial 1776/1976 inscription are worth more today. It doesn't matter what brand or model anything can become sought after again in time.

I was told once a Ruger bicentennial police service six model GF32 that was never in the Ruger catalogue would never be collectable. It was produced only in 1976 for a short production run. It's sought after today.
I seen a 1977 police service six without the inscription sell for $750.

I'm sure it's just my imagination, but those 1976 Rugers always seem to be really dang good. Like quality control that year was just on point and you know if it has that stamp it's going to be a good gun.

I have a Redhawk from 2000 and the action is utter trash compared to the 1976 Speed Six I had.

Also, if you want to talk about rising ruger prices; I sold my 9mm/357 convertible (well used mind you) Speed Six for 1300 bucks the other day. I miss it, but not $1300 miss it.
 
Expensive lessons; some learn, some don't....

What Modified said about trying to prevent newbies from getting hammered buying poorly modified/abominated guns, rings a bell big-time for me.

One old gunstore owner in the 70's told me "you have to lose $1000 free and clear, before you can call yourself a gun trader." Wonder what that is in today's money? Here follows a lesson I both learned and watched unfold...

In the mid-80's, I had Parker shotgun fever, being smitten with the wonderful old side-by-sides, and the quality of the craftsmanship lavished on them. I wanted an unmolested, unmodified gun as it left Parker, in pretty good shape, so I could hunt with it, but not have to pay minty gun prices, which in no way could I afford. Modified guns were simply "out."

I searched high and low for a nice, original Parker, and just couldn't find any that hadn't been butchered or worn to death, or both. The hunt was getting lengthy and I was getting desperate. Then, in a little show, I found
a possible candidate: a 16 gauge V-grade on an "O" frame, which is a 20 ga. frame. That meant it would be light and quick, and easy to carry. It was well worn, sans original finish, but seemed mechanically functional. There were a couple of small dents in the barrels, but no pitting. I could just afford it, but it wasn't the original finish that Parkers enjoy.

It looked like the search would go on for at least 5 years at the rate I was going.... I was thinking hard about getting it and having it restored, and
decided to call an expert. Saturday morning; there was a pay phone on the auditorium wall (remember them?) and I called Larry Del Grego Jr.
His father had worked for Parker until they closed, and then made a family business out of refurbishing Parkers with original parts, careful workmanship and as close to correct duplicates of the original finish as could be managed. He'd trained his son, who then took over and continued the tradition.

He was very nice, listened patiently, and he very kindly gave me some invaluable advice. He said, "I think I know what you want in a Parker, and you will never be satisfied with this one, even if it is correctly restored. Just resign yourself that you will not buy one until you find the one you really WANT, and then you'll be happy with it. The original guns are out there, and go to those who keep looking." I thanked him sincerely, and reluctantly walked away, passing on the 16 ga.

I was resigned to a 5-year hunt... Six months later, I had this almost supernatural *certainty* that the one I wanted would be at a larger-city show I'd never been to before... about 8 hours away. I woke up at 0-dark-thirty, which is rather difficult for me, and drove hard to be one of the first through the door, with my meager savings and a Kimber .22 Hornet & Leupold scope as trade bait.

I entered the show, turned left, and started looking. It was a big one, alright.... I saw 24 Parkers that day, and ALMOST bit on an affordable D-grade (first of the finer-grade Parkers, with nice engraving, etc.) However, it just seemed like it was TOO good a deal. Luckily, there was an original D-grade beside it, and I noted that the affordable one lacked the carved finials on the stock behind the action, and the inlaid initial shield on the toe!! It had been re-stocked, very nicely fitted and finished, but incorrectly, and was therefore out of collector's condition entirely!!! I kept on until I reached the last table in the show -- which would have been the first had I only turned right... about 4 pm with tired feet and sinking heart.

THERE IT WAS!! A totally original, 80% 12 ga on a 1 frame (16 gauge frame), it weighed just 6 & 3/4 lbs, and came to the shoulder like a dream! Mechanically it was pristine!! Ejectors, engraving, double triggers (better for total reliability), barrels tight on action... and factory 26" barrels. Rare configuration, and a special-order gun. Amazingly, I could afford it, and it came home with me on an adrenaline high that lasted me the entire drive!

I did love that gun, and it shot like it was an extension of my will... it made me look capable with a shotgun, which I'm not... it was MY PARKER, and I used it extensively, handloading low-pressure, low-recoil loads that wouldn't strain it. When not hunting, it was on the skeet field, and I kept it for many years, before finally realizing my shotgun days were over.

Flash forward a year after I'd found mine. The scene: another little show,
and a TRUE ABOMINATION appeared. A 12 ga. Parker Trojan (their lowest grade field model, made without all the amenities found on even the next grade up.) The wood was bereft of finish and worse, had been sanded irretrievably below the metal. It was horribly buffed/polished, barrels cut off incorrectly, and to add insult to injury, was CHROME PLATED.

It literally was worth only the value of the internal parts, and I'm sure evey they had been molested. The price tag for this gem? $650, which was the going rate for an all-original Trojan in 80% original condition or better. A young man obviously had "the fever," and was staring at it lustfully. I had just been in his shoes...

I asked him if he had a minute, told him my experience, and that this gun was totally destroyed (and why). He'd lose big money if he bought it, and it also wasn't anything he'd want to hunt with or be happy with. The same money would buy him a great Trojan, if he'd just be patient and keep looking. He nodded, and we parted ways.

Next show, 6 months later, I'm walking along and I see a guy with a side-by-side over his shoulder, which had coal-black barrels with an unusual "fuzzy" apperance. I dismissed it as I passed by, and then saw the Parker buttplate on the end as we passed. I did a U-turn, and asked about it.... and LO! It was our hero from the show before, and it was THAT Trojan! I asked about the barrels. He said he'd tried dove hunting with it, but the sun's reflections off the barrel were blinding, so he'd spray-painted them black. He was now trying to sell it for $250, but wasn't getting even a hint of an offer. Visible reinforcement of the wisdom of Larry Del Grego's advice...

Some people can learn from instruction; others have to feel the pain from 1 or more bad decisions to learn. The most pitiable, I guess, are the ones who NEVER learn, no matter how many times they get whacked by experience!!

John
 
When I was actively working the Gun Shows, my Buddy Steve would scream How Do These People Find You?
The Ugly Mod Squad would bring their mistreated Guns to us.
That's how I got the 686 with the K Frame Sideplate.
Then there was An ugly probably LE trade in Mod 28 converted to 44 Special.
A Rem LH 700 with the Plastic finish ground off.
In the batch posted, that sight sitting on top is pretty ugly.
But if I had a 6 inch pencil Barrel Mod 10, we could get do a trade!
 
Just think about all those surplus WW II bolt actions that were "Sporterized" back in the 50s & 60s. You can't hardly give one away now. But back then it was the super cool thing to do. ;)
 
gangster mods. bought on GB for the grips. looks to have been tossed from a moving ????? I've actually grown to like it. 10-5 krs
 

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Remember these were near worthless surplus arms that were sold direct ship mail order (pre-1968) for $10-$20 each. That's maybe like spending a hundred bucks today on a high quality arm that is only worth that or less? Why not sport or customize it to your heart's desire. You don't plan on selling it and don't care what it's worth to anyone else 40 or 50 years down the road.
 
Jeweling hammers and triggers was not uncommon back in the day. I had an old Super Blackhawk which looked pretty darn good that way.I once knew a guy who put adjustable sights on a vintage Colt single action. His name was Keith. But I can see a small market for niche collectors of these earlier modified revolvers from the heyday years
 
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I had a 4"686 no dash and an early 4"617 round butted in the 80s......S&W liked the idea and started round butting all their revolvers in 1995.

Sometimes you have to build the gun that S&W didn't. Think about all the PPC guns from the 70s. Chopped 39s from the 80s that got us the 6906 and 3913 in the 90s.

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A poor refinsh is a definite turn off for me. Reminds me too much of the "pristine" Winchester Model 64 that I bought back when I first started collecting guns. Turned out to be a Model 94 that had been rebarreled and reblued. Very expensive lesson for me at the time. I would rather have one with zero finish on it than a reblue.

I also tend to shun modified guns unless they have a large amount of "cool factor", such as Caleb's Triple Lock.

That being said, after giving up on finding an affordable 44 3rd Model Target, I decided to take matters into my own hands. I found an early post war NOS 44 Spl. barrel and a less than pristine 44 2nd Model Target and took them to Keith Ramirez, a local smith whose guns sell in the 30K range, for modification. I decided that as long as I was having something built, it might as well be all mine. I settled on him building me a 5" 3rd Model 44 Target with (gasp) a color cased frame. I suspect it will make the purists cringe.

Regards,
Bruce

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