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Just left another part of this forum where a member recalled his experence with S&W service department. Not what I expected to hear from such an old and respected company!! Hence, this post, first everyone of my revolvers are Smith's.! That is untill my last purchase, bought a used unfired brand X Snubnosed 38. Won't post a brand just to keep the OMG replies in check! The good/bad news is it is everything my J frames are, in every respect.Yes fit and finish could be improved to some degree but how important is that on a carry gun. Does this mean that I've bought my last Smith NO, but I'm much more inclined to look around! Comments?
 
When all said and done the gun you choose meets a need you have be it self defense, range shooting, collecting or what have you. You choose the best gun for the price you want to pay. If everything works out that is all that counts.
 
How can i bash you if i dont know the brand of gun you bought. :D.

Im guessing Taurus, Charter Arms

What do you expect to hear from such an old company?
 
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Competition makes companys build better guns or tv sets. My dad used to tell me the world would be in trouble if we all loved the same woman.
 
How can i bash you if i dont know the brand of gun you bought. :D.

Or, how can anyone respond with their own experiences/perceptions, good or bad, if they don't know what gun you have?

As for negative impressions of S&W, you can find good and bad reviews of anything on the internet. Far more often, people will post to complain about something/someone than they will to compliment something/someone. Sometimes even great companies with an overall history of great service can drop the ball...after all, when we contact S&W, we are contacting an individual human being, who can be having a bad day, or has a bad attitude, etc. That doesn't mean it is the policy of the company.

In all the years that I have owned guns, I've had many good experiences with S&W and only one bad one...and it was a comedy of errors, not a refusal or unwillingness to correct a problem on S&W's part. There are many, much worse gun makers out there in terms of service.
 
The only gun I've had to send back for repair has been a S&W. It didn't stop me from buying them though.
 
(Looking at ground and shuffling feet:o) gosh I have to admit I own a Taurus revolver it's a 2" 617 .357 magnum seven shot. I've put about 2,500 rounds of assorted 38 special +p, +P+, and .357 magnum ammo through it without any shooting related problems.

The only problem I encountered was, after letting it sit for a year or so the 90 weight factory lube hardened and locked it up. Took it apart soaked it over night used a quality lube and it's working just fine now. So I got nothing to bash.

P.s I will not push my luck and purchase another Taurus product, though.
 
I know QC is a big issue and the squeaky wheels are the ones we always hear. Having said that and acknowledging that many of the "features" and "improvements" of the newer S&W's leave me less than impressed, I still have to side with the crowd that doesn't get too worked up about today's production. S&W has had it's ups and downs through the years just like every other company out there for any length of time and on balance they must be doing OK since they're still in business and selling large quantities of a revolving handgun design the plasticators have pronounced dated and doomed.

Having produced such revered, beloved, and valued products in the past that have literally defined what a revolver should be, it is inevitable with the pressures of cost and labor/production these days and the integration of new materials and manufacturing methods that there will be periods of adjustment and a share of 'rejects'.

BUT . . .

Show me a company that has been in the manufacturing business even half as long as S&W that never makes mistakes, examples that never break or fail, or never has any previous customers complain they liked the old offerings better. You can't do it. Not bashing, just stating an opinion, but my guess is that per units produced there are a much higher percentage of breakages, misadjustments, faulty parts, and down right lemons among Taurus, Rossi and the like than S&W. Go ahead and add Colt & Ruger a place at that table, as well, since their products have also proven themselves in the market over a long period of time.

Bottom line - there is always someone out there that wants to pay a dollar less. And as such, there is always someone out there willing to produce something cheaper or 'almost as good', for that portion of the buying public. If time proves the design, function, fit, finish and price of some of the lesser company's offerings is superior they will take their place ahead in the line. (and THEN their prices will go up:p)

Don't think for a second that the powers-that-be at S&W are not aware of the discussions and comments on boards like this one, and especially this one. When the chorus of complaints is contrasted with their trend in sales figures and customer satisfaction surveys to demonstrate a decline in their market share - things will happen. Some people love and praise S&W's customer service and some . . . not so much. They're there to make money - and if/when poor service starts to affect that bottom line they will take notice or someone else will take their place.
 
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(Looking at ground and shuffling feet:o) gosh I have to admit I own a Taurus revolver it's a 2" 617 .357 magnum seven shot. I've put about 2,500 rounds of assorted 38 special +p, +P+, and .357 magnum ammo through it without any shooting related problems.

The only problem I encountered was, after letting it sit for a year or so the 90 weight factory lube hardened and locked it up. Took it apart soaked it over night used a quality lube and it's working just fine now. So I got nothing to bash.

P.s I will not push my luck and purchase another Taurus product, though.

It sounds like the only problem you have had wasn't necessarily a Taurus problem...at least not a design or function problem. I've never heard of old S&W revolvers locking up from dried out lube. Of course, just because I've never heard of it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Was it locked up down in the mechanism, where you wouldn't normally disassemble and clean anyway, on a revolver? (I've never taken the side plate off any revolver I've ever owned....I have cleaned them, of course, but I haven't disassembled them to do so.)

I've owned a number of Taurus guns, and I've only had a problem with one...but there are three things that give me pause about buying any more: 1) their customer service is lousy and slow (maybe that has changed now, since my last Taurus departed several years ago); 2) their QC is hit or miss (which any maker can have a lemon, but Taurus seems to have more misses than hits) 3) they do not hold their value like other guns.

In these economic times, most of us are concerned about costs...but in some cases, "you get what you pay for" does apply.
 
Comments on what? You bought another gun and apparently you like it. Life is Good. Are we supposed to guess or what. I have lots of brands of guns, I like them all. Revolvers narrows it down some though.

What are we even talking about??:confused:
 
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I have a couple S&W's, a couple Rugers, and a Taurus.

All function well and I have no complaints on any of them.
No brand-bashing here.


P.S. The Taurus is a .22 Magnum. You wanna talk about a fun plinking gun. Many porcupines fell to that Taurus in the corn fields this year.
 
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No matter what brand, one thing for certain in 2012:

The return departments of all are keeping extremely busy.:rolleyes:
 
I've dealt with Ruger CS & I've dealt with S&W CS. I think S&W made better revolvers but Ruger CS kicks S&W's bee-hind.
 
Have you looked inside. The last time I looked inside a foreign brand I sold it as fast as I could.
 
I buy my revolvers (S&W) and my cars both the same way. Used with low miles on them. That way the first buyer has all the bugs worked out, and all broken in. Only needed S&W or Ruger service one time each. 686 for Hammernose bushing recall in the 80's, and a LCP Ruger for their recall. Both were well handled and no complaints.
 
I buy my revolvers (S&W) and my cars both the same way. Used with low miles on them. That way the first buyer has all the bugs worked out, and all broken in. Only needed S&W or Ruger service one time each. 686 for Hammernose bushing recall in the 80's, and a LCP Ruger for their recall. Both were well handled and no complaints.

My first revolver was an '82 vintage Taurus 669. That's exactly how I figured it. Any issues would have been taken care of. So far I have no complaints. Not as nice as a Smith, obviously, but you won't find many S&W .357 Magnums for $300 OTD. ;)
 
I buy my revolvers (S&W) and my cars both the same way. Used with low miles on them. That way the first buyer has all the bugs worked out, and all broken in.

Well, you hope...some sellers will just pass along a problem without disclosing it. :mad: This, and the warranty, are the main reasons I like to buy new guns.

S&W's official policy is to warrant the gun to the original owner...but I've read many reports where they never asked. I don't know what Ruger's policy on that is...I've never needed to have a Ruger serviced.
 
Rossi? Astra? They should be pretty sound, if not as well finished as an S&W. Might develop cylinder endshake or timing issues sooner than an S&W or Ruger.
 
I kinda think fit and finish is important, if it does not fit well it will eventualy fail. But, my daughter was gifted a Taurus by her Godfather, it had ridden around under the seat of his fathers truck, which he inheritted. I sent it out to AP&W for a refinish and action job which wound up costin more than the gun did new. Now the fit and finish rivals my Smiths and the action feals as slick as my Pythons, and I am not afraid to let her carry it. Just another 2 cents.
 

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