AJ
US Veteran
I think many of us suffer from "Old eyes "!
I am 73 and I wear glasses. The sight picture is a bit harder to pick up at times. But it gives me immense satisfaction to shoot irons as well, if not better than most do scopes.
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Bergara 22 Rifles
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I am 73 and I wear glasses. The sight picture is a bit harder to pick up at times. But it gives me immense satisfaction to shoot irons as well, if not better than most do scopes.
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I enjoy the challenge of shooting irons, and we have a local 'Military' match that requires 'as issued' pre-1950 military rifles. I shoot a '96 Swedish Mauser, and can get very close to 1MOA at 100 yds. The aperture sight guys (Garands, 03-A3s, etc.) have a leg up on those of us with open, barrel mounted rear sights. Still, I need full lens readers to see a sharp front sight, and I'm still messing with front sight heights to get the sight picture I need.
For shooting precision .22s at anything beyond 50 yds, I prefer a telescopic sight. I don't think I could shoot our 200m .22 match with irons... the target (~5"x8") would be nearly invisible, and the kind of wind adjustments necessary would be impossible to judge.
For shooting precision .22s at anything beyond 50 yds, I prefer a telescopic sight. I don't think I could shoot our 200m .22 match with irons... the target (~5"x8") would be nearly invisible, and the kind of wind adjustments necessary would be impossible to judge.
Fishinfool
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Pete - A couple thoughts. I have been "into" .22 rf competition shooting for the last couple years. Mostly "ARA" 50 yard bench. I have noted that some of the guys shooting the Bergara's built on the model 700 platform have feeding issues. A known issue. The non-cf wrapped barreled versions seem to shoot more accurately. Bergara can make a fine rifle - My Bergara chassis rifle in 6.5cm is probably the most accurate rifle I own. I just haven't seen it carry over to the RF lineup?
Personally, the CZ 457 for the win. My CZ 457 AT1 is a solid 1/3 inch, 5 shot group at 50 yards gun, and often times a little better. Mine loves SK Rifle Match ammo. Smooth action, and great feeding reliability. Replace the rifles trigger spring with the "Yodave" version for a crisp 12 oz trigger.
You mentioned the Varmint version. Its a nice rifle, but for only a couple hundred more, the "MTR" version has a full bench style stock, and a special match grade barrel with a tight match chamber - a step up from the already impressive standard CZ rimfire barrels. It is rare to find a CZ that is not a shooter. Styling is odd, but you might like a AT1 version like mine with the adjustable comb and LOP - Easy to adjust the rifle to fit you just right.
Larry
Personally, the CZ 457 for the win. My CZ 457 AT1 is a solid 1/3 inch, 5 shot group at 50 yards gun, and often times a little better. Mine loves SK Rifle Match ammo. Smooth action, and great feeding reliability. Replace the rifles trigger spring with the "Yodave" version for a crisp 12 oz trigger.
You mentioned the Varmint version. Its a nice rifle, but for only a couple hundred more, the "MTR" version has a full bench style stock, and a special match grade barrel with a tight match chamber - a step up from the already impressive standard CZ rimfire barrels. It is rare to find a CZ that is not a shooter. Styling is odd, but you might like a AT1 version like mine with the adjustable comb and LOP - Easy to adjust the rifle to fit you just right.
Larry
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AJ
US Veteran
I don't shoot a lot of center fire any more. I do shoot a Swede CG-63 at 100 yards with irons, but those are with Swedish aperture sights.
I do shoot various sized bullseye at 50 yards. This one shown is a 10 meter Air Rifle target at 50 Yards. It is with irons and is five shots. You can see what size the bullseye is by the size of the nickel.
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The chances of getting a great shooting cz with beautiful wood under factory mud finish is high.Some bergaras shoot very good but i don't care for their magazines and how they ride my shooting bags.You said you don't want a 10/22 but if you sent one to randy at CPC to work over you would keep it.TX1 is a great shooting gun but i like wood stocks and is expensive to replace.
AJ
US Veteran
Except if a person can't shoot well with a scope, what chance do you think they would have with iron sights?
Tom,
About half of the folks I see at the range "can't hit a bull in the rear end with a bass fiddle" at 50 yards with irons or a scope. They buck, jerk, flinch and some other things. It is even worse on the pistol range.
My initial training was by my Grandfather. He taught me the fundamentals of gun safety and marksmanship. He then handed me an iron sighted Savage Model 7 and taught me some more about sight alignment and trigger control. After that session on paper, he threw several tin cans (long enough ago the soda can were not aluminum) out in the impact area (read trash dump on the farm). He then had me shoot at the cans and watched until I hit the can with every shot for 10 shots (a full magazine).
AJ
US Veteran
Never shot a 541T. I have used the 40X and Model 37, they are good. I have used the 513T and while not up to the big boys, with a good trigger yanker using it, it will hold it's own. Thanks for the heads up on the 541T.
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That is bad news cpc has closed i had a lvt ready to send him.i have shot two b14s at the range and get all 5 five touching groups often with SK and lapau ammo.If it is a true rem 700 copied action i guess a lot could be done with that.I have been pleased with several 452 457 americans and varmints for 25 years and run into a lot of people that say the same.
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