Best Argument Still Hasn't Been Made

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It frustrates me that the best argument to be made for our case still hasn't been made by any of the talking heads that go out and do battle on our behalf. There is an unassailable position we could take that would silence the opposition, but I haven't heard it yet. They keep asking "Do you really need an AR-15?" and the answer is "It depends." It depends on what comes at me.

That Swiss tourist couple needed an AR-15 the other day...
 
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Every time I hear someone ask why we "need" an AR-style rifle, I cannot help but think that what they really mean to ask is: "Why do you deserve to own an AR-style rifle?" The answer to that is simple, I do deserve to own one, and the reasons are myriad:


  • I'm not a criminal, nor do I have violent tendencies.
  • I have never used a firearm for unlawful purposes.
  • I take firearms safety very seriously and practice it always.
  • All of my firearms not under my immediate control are protected from unauthorized use.

I could go on and extol the virtues of Eugene Stoner's design, but I believe that the above reasons above are sufficient enough.
 
It frustrates me that the best argument to be made for our case still hasn't been made by any of the talking heads that go out and do battle on our behalf. There is an unassailable position we could take that would 'stop the mouths' of the opposition, but I haven't heard it yet. For us, it's as simple as "shall not be infringed..." but that doesn't fly with the left. There is a paragraph though -- a brief, pithy argument -- that would leave no question about our right to defend the one life we have (and those lives for which we are directly responsible) with whatever tool was best; the tool that may have been more than needed, like car liability insurance can be more than we need. They keep asking "Do you really need an AR-15?" and the answer is "It depends." It depends on what comes at me. And that's where we need the Unassailable Paragraph.

For example, no one would dream of asking a GI in Afghanistan if he needs an AR. Of course he does. He needs more than that -- he needs an M1A1. He needs all there is and more. But that's because he's under fire. Cops are routinely in harm's way, and we don't question what's in their holsters. Technically, it's no different for us -- read the news any day of the week, and somewhere, someone is in harm's way and needs an AR-15. The rub is that you don't know who, or on what day, it will be. But car insurance is the same way --we carry too much of it not knowing whether we'll need it, but like a gun, if we do need it, we'll really need it.

I think the answer to the quesiton of why anyone needs a defensive firearm is the same as why a cop needs one. A cop is just a citizen with (a) special training, and (b) a specialized responsibility. But he's just a guy that can reasonably expect to deal with bad or dangerous people, so we arm him for his own defense. We're no different. Unlike the cop, who goes to the bad guys with some pre-knowledge that they're bad, the bad guys come to us, who have no knowledge they're coming, which logically makes us more deserving of the right of self defense.

It occurred to me that while we have several brave Sheriffs who want to consider us 'allies' in the fight for our own safety, someone might consider deputizing permit holders. Obviously you would need real, ongoing, specialized training, but it's an interesting option. A giant countywide posse made up of people who have cleared specific hurdles -- to standards at least as high as sworn officers have to clear them. I'm somewhat surprised at how low the bar can be for a permit -- I got my first because I had a DD-214, and all the rest were based on the first. But I was in the Navy, and didn't really undergo 'training' in the sense that would make a jumpy civilian comfortable. Don't tell.
Well said Brother...."because I do not know whats coming at me" and the longer this attack on our Second Amendment goes on...the more I feel I need to be prepared for any contingincy with the best weapons we have available to defend ourselves and our freedom.
 
Not wishing to create an arguement with the original post because I do share yours and the frustration of many more....the best argument was made long ago by James Madison in Federalist essay #46. In this essay he explains the need for what we call "A well regulated militia". He went on to embody this mandate to the states in the second article of the Bill of Rights that we now know as the Second Amendment. Within six months after ratification, congress passed "The Militia Act of 1792", further mandating to the states the intent of the Second Amendment and the constitutional responsibility of every state to comply.

Moving forward to present day.....For those of us that wish to educate as well as to edify ourselves against the opposition on this very inflammatory subject, please go here....

"Constitutional Homeland Secuity"
A Call for Americans to Revitalize
"The Militia of the Several States"
Volume One
The Nation in Arms
By
Edwin Vieira, Jr.

That is the full title. The constitutional principles and concepts therin are the very things that "We, the People" have for the most part departed from. The aforementioned principles and concepts are what the statists and progressives fear the most.

Climber
Castle Rock, Co.
 
Aloha,

I do Not get asked the AR question very often.

But, when I do, I just tell them, "Because I have the money and can Afford it"

And "I'll buy one just to Piss You off"

I don't Need one or own one, but, I like to see the reaction when I tell Antis

that. Make them realize that they might have sold another AR.
 
Well said, YogiBear. I like to remind them that the AR platform, the AK variants, the Mini14 and Mini30 and others that I could mention are the modern day equivalent of the colonial musket. Few progressives agree with me on that one. When the statists among us like to mention that the 2ndA only refers to single shot muzzle loading weapons, I just tell them that the 1stA that they claim to revere only protects the screw press and the town crier....that was the colonial equivalent to todays major media.

On another note.....The statists are having a feeding frenzy on the 2ndA down at the capitol in Denver. Governor Hickinbloomberg gave an absolutly pathetic press conference after he signed the mag ban into law. Every sheriff in the state has said that they will not enforce the new law....I hope that they keep their word on that one. It occured to me long ago that we are not going to vote our way out of the mess that we are in. The progressives and their ilk will not listen to reason and logic, very much the same as the torries and loyalists of 1775 would not listen either.

The beat goes on. Where are we going and where will it end?

Climber
Castle Rock, Co.
 
I don't need health insurance...

...until I get sick.

I don't need auto insurance...

...until I get in an accident.

I don't need food...

...until I get hungry.

I don't need a roof over my head...

...until it starts to rain.
 
I just say we live in a country that does not require us to demonstrate "need" before we can possess things (yet).

I also say our right to own these items is protected by (NOT granted by) the Bill Of Rights.
As far as I know, there is no Bill Of Needs.
Jim
 
When someone is stupid enough to ask me why i (need) a certain
firearm i will simply reply, "mind YOUR own business".
End of discussion.
I'll not debate with simpletons and idiots bent on disarming
America. You argue with an idiot and soon there are two idiots
in a argument. Nobodys darn business what i buy or don't buy.
Simple enough.

Chuck
 
If it is the purpose of the Second Amendment to resist tyranny, there can be only one answer to any of these questions: We have the right to any weapon that is also accessible to government.
 
I have owned 4 AR-15's. Sold one to a brother (he was drolling on it) Gave one to a friend...bought two more...well....because I am not sure whats coming at us...and I like a good selection. AR-10 is on the want and need list next.
 
It occured to me long ago that we are not going to vote our way out of the mess that we are in. The progressives and their ilk will not listen to reason and logic, very much the same as the torries and loyalists of 1775 would not listen either.


Good point and I think most of us in here have come to this conclusion. In a way the vote just might be the greatest pacifier ever inflicted on a free society.
 
Nobody "needs" a 10 cylinder 600+HP Dodge Viper or similar cars like a Corvette ZR1 or a Porsche Carrera GT for the purpose of daily commute.

No 2-3 or even 4 person family "needs" a 4000+ square foot home and if they are not going to grow their own food they do not "need" 2 acres of land around that house.

No biker "needs" a Suzuki Hayabusha motorcycle which is capable of 180mph and 0-60 in less than 3 seconds for their Sunday cruising around the town.

Nobody "needs" a 120 ft. yacht cost over 10 million dollars.

In America, if we can afford it, we can have these things just because we would like to have them. Because we have the freedom of "choice".

You choose Ferrari to commute. I choose Toyota Corolla. It doesn't make either one of us right or wrong.

It is the proof of our "Freedom"!

John Travolta owns a Boeing 737 and he flies it himself as pilot.
Who am I to deny his right to have whatever he wants as long as he obeys the FAA rules and regulations while flying around.

If he flies 100 ft above the ground just to piss of his neighbors his flying credential will be revoked and he will be prosecuted.

Same as the Porsche or Hayabusha owners. If they go 110mph on a road where the speed limit is 35, they will be in trouble with law.

4000+ square ft. home owner will live freely in his/her lovely home unless he/she converts the garage into a meth lab...

Shortly, if they obey the law and be responsible with it they can posses anything.

Having a car or motorcycle capable of going 180 mph doesn't mean the owner soon or later will do 180mph in that vehicle.

Why it is any different for an AR15 with a 30 round mag.

How many law abiding citizens sitting in their home watching TV suddenly remembered that they have an AR15 with 30 round capacity mag sitting in their gun safe and thought it would be fun to go out and cause a carnage just because they have the gun already?

Thousands of AR15s in the homes and hands of law abiding citizens are not posses as much as the risk of a single 6 shot 357 Magnum revolver in the hand of a one single hard core criminal.

Colorado says 15 round mag OK.
New York is thinking 7 rounds is enough.
California feels 10 rounds reasonable.

What are they thinking?

Because they have the new limit, are those magazines with the higher round capacities currently on the market will disappear from the face of earth?

Are they hoping these suicidal maniacs will go around and say "Damn it I need at least a 30 round magazine to act on my horrific plan but since I can't legally buy a single 30 round capacity magazine probably I should stay at home and watch TV?"

Ta da!!! A crime spree is prevented!

Let's talk about background checks. Let's imagine that nationwide a very tight background check law implemented. Including you have to be interviewed by the law enforcement then submit DNA sample, lie detector test etc....

Now, all anti-gun activists will be in 7th heaven.

Then ask them what kind of criminal they think will walk into a police station and apply to go thru this process and during will be caught.

Ta da! Another horrific act prevented...

These guys are ready to blow their own brains at the end of their crime spree and our lawmakers think a ban on certain gun or limiting magazine capacity will be enough to stop their horrendous act.

How many guns Timothy McVeigh used?
How many guns Unabomber used ?
How many guns are used in killing more than 3000 innocent victims during 9/11?

The answer is same. NONE !
Not a single gun used not a single round fired.
Evil minded people will always find a way to do the harm they intend to.

After the recent school shooting tragedy our lawmakers keep saying "it is different now and it is the time for us to do something".

Instead, I wish they were talking about "it is time for doing something RIGHT & MEANINGFUL" for the first time in their lives rather than bugging the law abiding citizens.
 
Good points jim....If we had background checks for criminals. Bloomberg would never get elected. Many of them cant pass a criminal background check but they would try to pass a law that affects the people that do abide by the law.
 
In a way the vote just might be the greatest pacifier ever inflicted on a free society.

I stopped voting years ago so as not to continue validating a corrupt system. It's the only peaceful means available for speaking out against the system as a whole. FWIW, this form of protest is recognized and punished in some countries. It is illegal to refuse to vote in Brazil, and that government also recently outlawed all private ownership of firearms, followed by a massive, nationwide door-to-door confiscation program. The U.S. is headed to the same place if Americans don't get it together real soon.
 

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