Billboard In FL Calls NRA a "Terrorist Org."

In a way we are terrorists. We cause terror in the minds and hearts of the anti gun crowd and I am damn proud of that.

We are 5 million strong and growing by the day. I have posted this in several threads about the NRA and will do so again here. If you are thinking of sending in a donation, consider sponsoring a new member instead. If we can grow our ranks to 7 or 10 million over the next few weeks, it will send a clear message that we are not to be trifled with. Sign up you sons or daughters or a gun club friend.

What amazes me is that the PC crowd (mostly anti gun) feel that bullying or calling someone names is awful and should be punished.

Why then is it OK to call us "deplorables" or "terrorists"?
 
I know you are joking. That's the exact wrong thing to think or do. We can't be portrayed as iresponsible. Some Yahoo will do that and we'll all look bad. Heck they'll probably vandalise it themselves just to make us look bad.

Yes it was a joke. I actually think the NRA should bring suit against both the people paying for the Billboard and the company that owns said display tower. Nowhere on the Billboard, does it say it's an opinion, therefore they are stating it as fact, which is demonstrably false, and, in fact with malice aforethought at injuring them financially. Make it a class action suit for all of us members, if that helps.
 
When is the defamation and libel lawsuit going to be filed?
 
Gun owners should honk their horns when they drive by it. That will get it taken down PDQ.
Isn't that a typical Liberal/Leftist tactic-engaging in ad hominem attacks ?
 
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Yes it was a joke. I actually think the NRA should bring suit against both the people paying for the Billboard and the company that owns said display tower. Nowhere on the Billboard, does it say it's an opinion, therefore they are stating it as fact, which is demonstrably false, and, in fact with malice aforethought at injuring them financially. Make it a class action suit for all of us members, if that helps.

Is "terrorist organization" a legal term, like "murderer"? If I bought a billboard saying my neighbor was a murderer, I would darn sure be served with legal papers.
 
Freedom of Speech. Ain't it grand? Amazing that the country is strong and resilient enough to tolerate all sorts of views without people killing each other in their sleep because of it and the wheels coming off the enterprise altogether.

No prior restraint censorship as in Britain, no people getting disappeared in the middle of the night, as in China, no people ending up dead on a park bench or close to it for spouting unpopular views, as in Russia.

If you like peace and quiet, there are several monarchies and other dictatorships around the world that will be happy to accommodate you. But if you like the rough and tumble of democracy, come on in and set a spell. :D

Just sayin'.
 
It's called the First Amendment.
They have the right to speak.

No doubt they're operating under the delusion that they have the right to speak without criticism... or that their mouthpiece has the right to speak without business consequences.

Remember the Dixie Chicks?

Me neither...
 
Jest wonder who the billboard company is??? Could be some blow back on them.

There should be!

What do you suggest?

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I guess it bears repetition: the antidote for speech you don't like is. . .more speech!

Rather than focusing on attempts to suppress the other guy's views, which you find distasteful, how about focusing on making your case more effectively to the people in the middle you are trying to persuade?

You can't win a political fight by telling people what you don't like and don't want. You can only win by effectively advocating for something you do like or do want and thereby getting them to follow your lead.

If Little Johnny is whacking the pet kitty too hard, yelling at him to "stop it!" really doesn't do much because you haven't given him your desired prescriptive alternative, you have only told him what you don't like -- the proscriptive "solution." Even if you get him to stop beating on the cat for a while, he still doesn't know what to do instead and is likely to return to the unwaanted behavior because he doesn't know any better.

Name calling can provide immediate gratification. It rarely produces sustainable satisfaction over the long-term.

Let them waste their money on silly billboards. Better to spend yours supporting an effective political action committee whether it is the NRA's or someone else's.

Just my two cents. ;)
 
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^^^cybermgk suggested a lawsuit by the NRA maybe even a class action lawsuit.

I know a lot of political organizations keep just enough money on hand for day to day operations, rendering them judgement proof. But the owner of that billboard is a for profit business, maybe a big one. I am no lawyer, but from rinning a business or three, I know that while the first amendment does protect OPINION it does not protect untrue derrogotory utterances of criminal wrongdoing.

If I say my neighbor Mel is a jerk, or mean, well thats my OPINION, its protected. If I say my neighbor Mel is a murderer, well murder is defined in thr penal code, I might get away with it if Mel is awaiting trial, of if Mel was convicted of a lesser offence, but if Mel has never been charged with a crime of such magnatude, well pretty easy to prove its untrue and derrogotory.

And even if the specifics make a lawsuit a bad option, there could be economic ways to make the billboard owner regret, or think twice about future advertisements.

(I support the first amendment, but not lying, slander or libel.)
 
I'm thinking there's libel/slander going on here.

It's in print, on a billboard, so why not a deep pockets lawsuit against whoever is behind it? Go right on up the ladder, sue them into obscurity.

Maybe we'd find soros at the head of the infection.
 
I'm thinking there's libel/slander going on here.

It's in print, on a billboard, so why not a deep pockets lawsuit against whoever is behind it? Go right on up the ladder, sue them into obscurity.

Maybe we'd find Soros at the head of the infection.


I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I think the standards the Supreme Court set in Hustler Magazine, Inc. v. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46 (1988), and in New York Times Company v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964) are likely to apply in any libel suit against the PAC that is putting up these billboards around the country.

In Falwell, the Court held that the First and Fourteenth Amendments prohibit public figures (the NRA is a corporate person and certainly a public figure) from recovering damages for the tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress (IIED), if the emotional distress was caused by a caricature, parody, or satire of the public figure that a reasonable person would not have interpreted as factual. Most people who see these billboards understand that the claim being made is not literally true, but an exaggeration, a parody, designed to make a political point. And political speech is probably the most protected form of speech there is in our democracy.

In Sullivan, the Supreme Court established the actual malice standard, which has to be met before press reports about public officials can be considered to be libel; and hence allowed free reporting of the civil rights campaigns in the southern United States. It is one of the key decisions supporting the freedom of the press. The actual malice standard requires that the plaintiff in a defamation case, if that person is a public official or public figure (the NRA as a corporate person is certainly a public figure), prove that the publisher of the statement in question knew that the statement was false or acted in reckless disregard of its truth or falsity. Because of the extremely high burden of proof on the plaintiff, and the difficulty of proving the defendant's knowledge and intentions, such claims by public figures rarely prevail.

It is worth noting that in both cases the Supreme Court ruled unanimously in favor of free speech. In one case (Sullivan) liberals dominated; in the other (Falwell) conservatives controlled the majority. It made no difference in either case because all of the justices ruled unanimously to protect dissent and the First Amendment.

So, if you want to sue Mad Dog PAC for paying for anti-NRA billboards, go ahead and waste your money and your energy, money and energy that would be better spent, IMO, advancing the NRA's efforts to protect the Second Amendment.

And it probably wouldn't hurt your case either to stop claiming, without proof, that George Soros is at the heart of every cause with which you do not agree. If you have proof that George Soros is funding Mad Dog PAC, let's see it. Otherwise, I would suggest finding a more credible line of attack against the people with whom you disagree.
 
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...So, if you want to sue Mad Dog PAC for paying for anti-NRA billboards, go ahead and waste your money and your energy, money and energy that would be better spent, IMO, advancing the NRA's efforts to protect the Second Amendment...

Hopefully a group of important people at the NRA have already sat around a confrence table and brainstormed potential solutions, and potential responses, recieved feedback from knowledgeable lawyers, accountants, and membership (heck, maybe the billboard is backfiring and causing a perceptable increase in membership amoung people who drive past it).

I am certain those people will do a better job than I in responding or not responding. And above all keeping the truth you put forth above, above all else: THE FUNCTION OF THE NRA IS TO PROTECT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.

(No, not the Primary function, THE FUNCTION, because without those Rights, nothing else they do matters a whit.)
 
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I know you are joking. That's the exact wrong thing to think or do. We can't be portrayed as iresponsible. Some Yahoo will do that and we'll all look bad. Heck they'll probably vandalise it themselves just to make us look bad.

It would be unfortunate if it mysteriously caught fire though... LOL
 
I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I think the standards the Supreme Court set in Hustler Magazine, Inc. v. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46 (1988), and in New York Times Company v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964) are likely to apply in any libel suit against the PAC that is putting up these billboards around the country.

In Falwell, the Court held that the First and Fourteenth Amendments prohibit public figures (the NRA is a corporate person and certainly a public figure) from recovering damages for the tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress (IIED), if the emotional distress was caused by a caricature, parody, or satire of the public figure that a reasonable person would not have interpreted as factual. Most people who see these billboards understand that the claim being made is not literally true, but an exaggeration, a parody, designed to make a political point. And political speech is probably the most protected form of speech there is in our democracy.

In Sullivan, the Supreme Court established the actual malice standard, which has to be met before press reports about public officials can be considered to be libel; and hence allowed free reporting of the civil rights campaigns in the southern United States. It is one of the key decisions supporting the freedom of the press. The actual malice standard requires that the plaintiff in a defamation case, if that person is a public official or public figure (the NRA as a corporate person is certainly a public figure), prove that the publisher of the statement in question knew that the statement was false or acted in reckless disregard of its truth or falsity. Because of the extremely high burden of proof on the plaintiff, and the difficulty of proving the defendant's knowledge and intentions, such claims by public figures rarely prevail.

It is worth noting that in both cases the Supreme Court ruled unanimously in favor of free speech. In one case (Sullivan) liberals dominated; in the other (Falwell) conservatives controlled the majority. It made no difference in either case because all of the justices ruled unanimously to protect dissent and the First Amendment.

So, if you want to sue Mad Dog PAC for paying for anti-NRA billboards, go ahead and waste your money and your energy, money and energy that would be better spent, IMO, advancing the NRA's efforts to protect the Second Amendment.

And it probably wouldn't hurt your case either to stop claiming, without proof, that George Soros is at the heart of every cause with which you do not agree. If you have proof that George Soros is funding Mad Dog PAC, let's see it. Otherwise, I would suggest finding a more credible line of attack against the people with whom you disagree.
Hpwever, the PAC behind the boards, has publicly stated their intent. And, it isn't as parody. In fact, they have stated their malice and intent publicly.

And please don't play the anti- or -ist card. The man (Soros) has openly stated his globalist and far left, socialist beliefs, and his intent to make those beliefs reality, via his money. One such, is very anti-gun. One can decry him for those beliefs and actions, believe it or not. Why is it so common today to meet any kind of critique as *ism or anti-*?
 
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A new controversial Florida billboard is targeting the National Rifle Association as a "terrorist organization."

The anti-NRA billboard is funded by Claude Taylor, a former White House staffer for President Bill Clinton, through MAD DOG PAC, a political action committee that also erected billboards calling for President Trump's impeachment in states across the country.

The Pensacola billboard plainly states: "The NRA is a terrorist organization."
The pan handle of Florida which is very conservative. I am sure it is getting a few laughs. The pan handle gave Florida to Trump and helped win the election. We did a winter vacation in Panama City a few years back. Nice people down there!
 
I am not a terrorist. Though I am very deplorable, and cling to my gun, and bible.
 
In reality, I find it very offensive to be placed in the same class as Osama Bin Laden or other radicals whose sole function is to bring down western civilization. We are fighting a global war on terror and as a law abiding gun owner, I resent that I can be lumped in with those folks merely because I support a group that supports my rights and the second amendment.

Labeling me as a terrorist when I am not one to me is slander and should be against the law.

Posting a billboard that said, " Citizens against the NRA" would be freedom of speech whereas IMHO, calling me a terrorist crosses a line.
 
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If the billboard said, "The Islamic Society of North America funds terrorist organizations," what do you think would happen?

It happens to be true, the ISNA funds terrorists.
 

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