Bodyguard 2.0 Extraction/Ejection

[SJC3081]

I did talk to S&W Customer Service. When I explained the slide would not close when a round was manually dropped in the chamber the rep asked me if it functioned when feeding from the magazine. I told her yes and she then explained the Bodyguard 2.0 has very tight tolerances. She suggested firing 400-500 rounds through it to loosen it up. If after that it still had a problem call back and they would issue an RMA.

My pistol is the same. But you should not load the pistol like that.
Easy way to break the extractor.

 

[halfmoonclip]

Like I think I said the slide just didn't want to budge so I dropped the mag and gave the side a good tug and she dropped straight out of the magwell

For a start, that isn't the extractor; probably the ejector. If it was holding the slide closed, it likely was out of position. Still needs to be fixed.
Because I can't leave well enough alone, I drifted out the pin that holds the extractor. Philosophically, it is the same as a 1911, in that the extractor is its own spring, and isn't supposed to move much. Again, like a 1911, the gun is only to be charged from the magazine.
Our carry gun league features a one hand/weak hand stage. There were three BG2.0s on the line, and all of them worked, one hand/weak hand.
With hard walls, brass tends to go nearly anywhere. But I've never had brass to the face, though a ball cap is a good idea. A buddy compared it to shooting inside a pinball machine, and brass will come raining down off the ceiling.
Moon

 

[JoeB51]

As of last night mine isn't extracting at all.
Went to unload it when i got home and the slide wouldn't budge. It's been a bit stiff like that unloading it before  though I've never had any issues with it cycling while firing so I wasnt too concerned. I just put it down to a bit of break-in hiccups.

So I dropped the mag and put some real elbow grease into it, the slide gave way, chamber opened but, the round didn't extract and I heard a little "tink" as the extractor hit the floor.

So it looks like mine is going back to S&W. Anyone out there having extraction trouble may want to keep an eye on their bodyguard. Luckily it happened to me in a safe environment but, any issues may be catastrophic failure in the making

That sounds like you're barrel short chambered for the ammo you are using.

 

[Cheyenne WYO]

That sounds like you're barrel short chambered for the ammo you are using.

It also could be that the ammo is out of spec or there is a burr or debris on the ammo or in the chamber.

 

[Harper]

That sounds like you're barrel short chambered for the ammo you are using.

And a plunk test, including spinning the round in the chamber, (the only complete method of doing the test) to see that the bullet isn't dragging on the rifling, should indicate that as the problem.

 

[agksimon]

It also could be that the ammo is out of spec or there is a burr or debris on the ammo or in the chamber.

My BG2.0 has been running very well, but a friend's had a tight chamber with visible tool marks. I buffed it out with a 10mm rubber dremmel bit and it now runs perfectly.

 

[GnarlsR2]

My BG2.0 has been running very well, but a friend's had a tight chamber with visible tool marks. I buffed it out with a 10mm rubber dremmel bit and it now runs perfectly.

I'm just curious....

Is having to perform owner's "gunsmithing" to correct a defect like that is MORE common or MORE rare?

 

[agksimon]

I'm just curious....

Is having to perform owner's "gunsmithing" to correct a defect like that is MORE common or MORE rare?

I can't speak for others but my friend is a retired machinist and we both do a lot of our own gun work. This was easy to diagnose and fix. Can't see sending it in and wait two months or more for them to fix and return it, if it's something we can do.

 

[geeollie]

Yesterday more rare, today more normal. Tomorrow ????

Yesterday (figuratively) guns were machined out of solid metal stock.
Today they are molten plastic formed in molds that have a life cycle. I wonder if the problem guns are the result of using the forms a little too long before replacing them with new molds. The same for the MIM parts...but I don't really understand that process.

 

[GnarlsR2]

I can't speak for others but my friend is a retired machinist and we both do a lot of our own gun work. This was easy to diagnose and fix. Can't see sending it in and wait two months or more for them to fix and return it, if it's something we can do.

When I got back into the firearm hobby (shooting, not collecting) about 5 years ago, I usually get up to my neck in my hobbies. I set up a "gunsmithing" table in my home office, bought a bunch of tools and gauges, and started hands-on stuff, mostly because of my insatiable curiosity about how stuff works.

I can't dance, sing, or play an instrument, but I'm very handy at figuring out why something doesn't work and then fixing it. I've now successfully performed gunsmithing on 5 of my firearms.

Recently, as I've posted, I fixed the guide rod and spring assembly of my BG2 after receiving a new one from S&W that was exactly like the original. Tearing into my old truck engine is one thing, but gunsmithing a firearm that goes BANG, and is a defense weapon that is carried to save my life, is a higher level of serious hands-on.

 

[halfmoonclip]

If a gunmaker says, with a straight face, that you should fire 4-500 rounds, to find out if your gun works, before sending it in for service....
Gotta say Kahr was notorious for that advice, and it's one of the reasons I've sworn off the brand.
Fifty rounds should do as an initial test of any autopistol. My BG2.0s have run since the first magazine, though they have run more smoothly with a higher round count.
Anyone given the 4-500 round song and dance, from CS, should put their foot down, and insist a on return authorization.
Smith customer service might not be what it once was, but they still take care of things.
Moon

 

[Beju]

If a gunmaker says, with a straight face, that you should fire 4-500 rounds, to find out if your gun works, before sending it in for service....
Gotta say Kahr was notorious for that advice, and it's one of the reasons I've sworn off the brand.

I think that's part of why the M&P Shield was such a revelation when it came out. You were way less likely to get a lemon out of the box than with a Kahr.

My father has a Kahr PM9 that's always been great, but I know too many other people whose Kahr pistols were unreliable out of the box.

 

[agksimon]

I think that's part of why the M&P Shield was such a revelation when it came out. You were way less likely to get a lemon out of the box than with a Kahr.
My father has a Kahr PM9 that's always been great, but I know too many other people whose Kahr pistols were unreliable out of the box.

I had a Kahr PM9 that was a jamomatic right out of the box. 500 rounds later, it was still that way. I traded it in.

 

[GnarlsR2]

If a gunmaker says, with a straight face, that you should fire 4-500 rounds, to find out if your gun works, before sending it in for service....

That's like a car dealership saying "You'll need to try starting the engine between 2 to 4 months before it will actually start."

 

[Bobby Gun]

Has anyone disassembled the extractor and tried to reassemble? I cannot get it reassembled! I was having FTE so I tried to clean & oil but now I can get the pin back in. Any help?

 

[GnarlsR2]

I have about 200 rounds through mine with no feed or extract issues with Winchester PDX1 Defender BJHP, Sig Elite JHP, Hornady XTP, Hornady FTX, Federal HST, Bronze FMJ, Magtech FMJ, Winchester Flat Nose, Sig Flat Nose.

I clean, inspect, and lube all my firearms after every use.

I have noticed that my BG2 gets very carboned up, and especially bad at the extractor.

I use very pointy Q-tips to clean it. https://a.co/d/4GJ4dn7

It takes a few minutes and patience to get it thoroughly cleaned out.

I will R&R the extractor out of my Colt 1911 Mark IV Series 70, but I would NOT tackle the extractor on my BG2.

I have also noticed casings flying but my Colt 1911 dropped a hot case in my shirt pocket last range day. It might have been a ricochet off the lane board?

 

[Bobby Gun]

I have about 200 rounds through mine with no feed or extract issues with Winchester PDX1 Defender BJHP, Sig Elite JHP, Hornady XTP, Hornady FTX, Federal HST, Bronze FMJ, Magtech FMJ, Winchester Flat Nose, Sig Flat Nose.

I clean, inspect, and lube all my firearms after every use.

I have noticed that my BG2 gets very carboned up, and especially bad at the extractor.

I use very pointy Q-tips to clean it. https://a.co/d/4GJ4dn7

It takes a few minutes and patience to get it thoroughly cleaned out.

I will R&R the extractor out of my Colt 1911 Mark IV Series 70, but I would NOT tackle the extractor on my BG2.

I have also noticed casings flying but my Colt 1911 dropped a hot case in my shirt pocket last range day. It might have been a ricochet off the lane board?

Unfortunately I already removed the extractor and cannot get it back together. I R&R my extractor in my 92F with ease but this is a little different.

 

[GnarlsR2]

Unfortunately I already removed the extractor and cannot get it back together. I R&R my extractor in my 92F with ease but this is a little different.

There must be a Jedi Knight level armorer gunsmithing wizard here that can help you put that extractor back together.

 

[oldbbb]

Take a look at this video () he has to press the striker safety to get the extractor out so it would seem the striker safety need to be depressed in order to get the extractor back back in.

 

[halfmoonclip]

I drove out the pin that retains the extractor, replaced it the same way. BTW, the extractor is its own spring, and it moves very little.
Moon