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aaronmanck
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On the phone with them now
Bodyguard 2.0 issue
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There is a YouTube video from a guy who had trouble loading mags past 2-3 rounds. He has a fix for it. This may be the issue you are dealing with as well......here's the link:
Try loading your magazine with nickel-plated (brass case) .380 ammo ... Nickel-plated cases sometimes make the difference in revolvers where sticky cases in the cylinder cause extraction issues. Might just be enough to reduce the friction here, against the slide, as well.
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That's not the issue but thanks, s and w said out another 500 rounds through it and see how it goes lol
Hi, just bought A Bodygaurd 2.0. I've only run 800-900 rounds through it. This won't help but, I've had zero problems what so ever. Hands down, best pocket pistol I've ever owned. Sorry I couldn't be any help.
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I've got about 400 through mine, zero galor failures, just the press check issue…really great little gun
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Try cleaning and lubricating the slide. On some handguns it doesn't take much to keep the slide from cycling properly. When you say it's not the recoil spring, how can you be sure? Have you tried a new one?
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aaronmanck
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Good question, here's a scenario were it could really matter… placing it back in the holster the slide gets pushed slightly out of battery, when I draw the gun to defend my life I pull the trigger and it goes click…
That is certainly a valid concern.
However, IF the holster is creating that much force against a closed slide (especially a BG2 slide) while inserting it into the holster, the holster is NOT properly designed!
Regarding the very popular "it's gotta break in", if it takes 500 rounds to break in, meaning that the firearm is NOW working properly, something is radically wrong with the design, tolerances, or quality control.
To me, requiring 500 rounds to get my defense carry working reliably and flawlessly is total Bravo Sierra!
I understand that a mechanical device, and a firearm, may require ammo type analysis, smoothing of heavy contact surfaces, manual safety switching, trigger smoothing, or chamber ramp smoothing, before it is operating more comfortably, BUT if my new firearm is NOT working flawlessly after 100 rounds it is going to be inspected, gunsmithed, fixed, or changed out, before it will be my defense carry.
My Body Guard 2.0 is the ONLY firearm I have purchased that did NOT work properly out of the box. Why?
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aaronmanck
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I agree with everything you said, if I get a new gun and it doesn't fire flawlessly in the first hundred rounds or so I'm out….
jack zeller
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Most do this. What is the issue?
Really. 500 to get it to work and then 500 more to make sure that is works and you could have bought another pistol.
I handled a BG2 yesterday and I see what all of the love is about, but it was on the counter of a gun shop. I think I will wait another year to buy one. By the way, S&W really appreciates you all paying them to beta test their new guns.
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"My Body Guard 2.0 is the ONLY firearm I have purchased that did NOT work properly out of the box. Why?"
I've been around handgun shooting since I was a teenager and shot my Dad's Colt Woodsman, a lot. And I've owned a lot of handguns in the intervening decades. I owned five Colt 1911s made in the late 70s and early 80s and not a single one would reliably feed, fire and eject for more than a few rounds at a time. This was regardless of the brand, bullet weight or power level of the ammunition. I later read that the rise of gunsmiths who specialized in the 1911 was due to poor quality work put out by Colt in those years. Have no idea of the validity of that criticism.
Since then, most semi-autos I've owned (dozens of them) have worked well straight out of the box. One exception was a top-of-the-line High Standard .22 which would hardly feed a round let alone consistently fire a round. Sent it back twice but the problem was never fixed. Later learned that it was at the time High Standard was going bankrupt.
Also had two Gen4 Glock 19s which hammered my face with hot empties. Glock said it had all updated parts so it was 'too bad you're on your own". Some numbers of others also had problems with those early Gen4 Glock 19 exhibiting the same BTF problem as my two. At that time, I had owned every generation of the G19 since shortly after that model was introduced and carried it for years. An Apex failure resistant extractor finally fixed both guns, which I still have and shoot with no thanks to Glock.
My second Glock 43 had a very sharp knife edged flashing on the trigger safety thingy. Had to disassemble and carefully sand and polish it smooth. Then took it to the range for the first shooting session. From a solid rest it was all over the target. I finally pushed on the rear site. That polymer sight was so poorly fitted that recoil was moving it around in the dovetail. I just used my thumbnail and pushed it out of the dovetail then bought and installed an after-market set of sights. Whoever put the rear sight and trigger in that gun at the factory had to notice those defects but still put it out the door.
My first Shield Plus OR came in with a cosmetic defect which I didn't notice until I got it home. Contacted Smith, they sent a return label and then returned my gun with the defect fixed, or a new slide, and I wasn't sure which, but I was pleased. Hope Smith fixes any Bodyguards which have functioning problems.
Sorry you have had a problem with your 2.0. Ours will not feed one type of ammunition but has worked well with others. Unfortunately, sometimes a model is released by a maker a bit prematurely, but a good maker will stand behind their mistakes and fix them. Also, regardless of what others may say, I do not trust or carry any handgun until it has a counted 400-500 rounds through it.
I've been around handgun shooting since I was a teenager and shot my Dad's Colt Woodsman, a lot. And I've owned a lot of handguns in the intervening decades. I owned five Colt 1911s made in the late 70s and early 80s and not a single one would reliably feed, fire and eject for more than a few rounds at a time. This was regardless of the brand, bullet weight or power level of the ammunition. I later read that the rise of gunsmiths who specialized in the 1911 was due to poor quality work put out by Colt in those years. Have no idea of the validity of that criticism.
Since then, most semi-autos I've owned (dozens of them) have worked well straight out of the box. One exception was a top-of-the-line High Standard .22 which would hardly feed a round let alone consistently fire a round. Sent it back twice but the problem was never fixed. Later learned that it was at the time High Standard was going bankrupt.
Also had two Gen4 Glock 19s which hammered my face with hot empties. Glock said it had all updated parts so it was 'too bad you're on your own". Some numbers of others also had problems with those early Gen4 Glock 19 exhibiting the same BTF problem as my two. At that time, I had owned every generation of the G19 since shortly after that model was introduced and carried it for years. An Apex failure resistant extractor finally fixed both guns, which I still have and shoot with no thanks to Glock.
My second Glock 43 had a very sharp knife edged flashing on the trigger safety thingy. Had to disassemble and carefully sand and polish it smooth. Then took it to the range for the first shooting session. From a solid rest it was all over the target. I finally pushed on the rear site. That polymer sight was so poorly fitted that recoil was moving it around in the dovetail. I just used my thumbnail and pushed it out of the dovetail then bought and installed an after-market set of sights. Whoever put the rear sight and trigger in that gun at the factory had to notice those defects but still put it out the door.
My first Shield Plus OR came in with a cosmetic defect which I didn't notice until I got it home. Contacted Smith, they sent a return label and then returned my gun with the defect fixed, or a new slide, and I wasn't sure which, but I was pleased. Hope Smith fixes any Bodyguards which have functioning problems.
Sorry you have had a problem with your 2.0. Ours will not feed one type of ammunition but has worked well with others. Unfortunately, sometimes a model is released by a maker a bit prematurely, but a good maker will stand behind their mistakes and fix them. Also, regardless of what others may say, I do not trust or carry any handgun until it has a counted 400-500 rounds through it.
I don't know about "most". But I do know about mine.
I checked 4 striker pistols. None of them will stay locked or catched back position with the slide not fully into battery.
My P365XL has the least number of rounds, less than 400, and it will catch noticeably harder than the P365 Micro, BG2, and KelTec P17. The XL will return to full battery, but I feel better pushing it slightly to confirm the slide position.
Because all my handling time with live ammo is at the range, I always know exactly what the condition of the firearm I'm shooting at that moment, I don't do press checks very often.
However, I can see why it is done. In my BG2, for example, with a full mag inserted in a closed slide, the round can be seen in the peak-a-boo window above the slide lock. However, seeing a round there does not mean there is a round in the chamber.
Usually, if I am letting one of my range buddies shoot one of my firearms, that he may or may not be familiar with, I will let him watch as I insert the mag, sling shot a round in the chamber, put the gun down on the lane bench, and tell him it's "RTF with XX rounds".
I have read that it apparently is not uncommon to have a striker slide NOT return to battery after doing a press check. Either due to not being fully "broke in", or the tolerances are just tight.
If I were doing press checks frequently as matter of habit, I would definitely assist in pushing the slide back into full battery, or following it with my fingers.
"Also, regardless of what others may say, I do not trust or carry any handgun until it has a counted 400-500 rounds through it."
Most of my range buddies say that at 200 to 500 flawless rounds, it should be fully "vetted".
I'm wondering why anyone would even feel the need to do a press check on a Bodyguard 2.0. On mine it can be very clearly determined from both the top of the slide and the right side whether there is or is not a round chambered. For me doing a press check would be needlessly redundant, but to each their own.
Yes, the coefficient of thermal expansion for brass is much higher than plated cases. The coefficient of friction is higher for brass.
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aaronmanck
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It's not the press check I'm focused on, it's that when the slide is manipulated back a little (on purpose or on accident) it doesn't fully return to battery…and hence won't fire
I believe there are several factors regarding doing a visual check. Verifying a round is in the chamber is a very important.
If the ambient lighting is dark or dim, you might not be able to see well into the tiny window on top of barrel and slide.
Also, I see a lot of pros and experts doing a press check – most likely just a safety habit. My 1978 Colt Mark IV Series 70 does not have a window to see if there is an empty mag or a round in the chamber.
