Boston bomb suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev included on list of victims of gun violence at

[jaykellogg]

Boys (and girls), you just can't make this stuff up!

Boston bomb suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev included on list of victims of gun violence at NH rally - The Washington Post

"The group says his name shouldn't have been listed." Well Duh!

 

[25elk]

Those folks up in New Hampshire are lucky the same mindless dolts who are running the show today weren't in charge a couple of hundred years ago or they might still be flying the Union Jack over their state capitol.

 

[Arik]

You dont see it? Im Surprised!

Its obvious the gun made him do it. He is a victim of the gun and ...and..
maybe the pressure cooker.

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[jaykellogg]

If this guy is a victim of "gun violence, then every perp shot by a LEO is also a victim of gun violence. Kind of makes you look sideways at their statistics.

The gun violence in the USA has been declining for the past 40 years and is lower today than in 1993. In that year there were 1,529,742 victims of firearms violence and in 2011 there were 467,321. The firearms crime rate went from 7.3 to 1.8 in that time period.

 

[indiandave]

If this guy is a victim of "gun violence, then every perp shot by a LEO is also a victim of gun violence. Kind of makes you look sideways at their statistics.

The gun violence in the USA has been declining for the past 40 years and is lower today than in 1993. In that year there were 1,529,742 victims of firearms violence and in 2011 there were 467,321. The firearms crime rate went from 7.3 to 1.8 in that time period.

They don't want the truth to get in their way.

 

[redlevel]

If this guy is a victim of "gun violence, then every perp shot by a LEO is also a victim of gun violence. Kind of makes you look sideways at their statistics.

One of the comments after the article I read (HuffPo, I believe) stated that many of the names were of thugs killed in "good" police shootings or by legally armed homeowners during home invasions, etc.

 

[kozmic]

The anti-gun fruitcakes' staggering lack of intelligence is only exceeded by their seemingly limitless stupidity.

 

[jaykellogg]

The anti-gun fruitcakes' staggering lack of intelligence is only exceeded by their seemingly limitless stupidity.

The point is, it is not a staggering lack of intelligence, it is a deliberate mishandling of statistics. If they use the true statistics, well then it looks like the gun situation isn't so bad after all and things like Sandy Hook, The Colorado shooter, and the Tucson shooter are anomalies. At least it shows that giving guns to nutcases may not be a good idea.

 

[Gunslinger808]

Let's look at the list of some of those Mayors Against Illegal Guns :

Sheila Dixon - Baltimore, MD: Convicted of perjury and embezzlement (of funds meant for charity)

Gary Becker - Racine, WI: Convicted of attempted child molestation and luring a child for illicit purposes

Larry Langford - Birmingham, AL: Convicted on 60 counts of bribery, fraud, money laundering and tax evasion

Eddie Perez - Hartford, CT: Convicted of bribery and extortion

David Donna - Guttenberg, NJ: Convicted of extortion and tax fraud

Frank Melton - Jackson, MS: Convicted of 'gun crimes', including his own city's possession ordinance

Buddy Cianci - Providence, RI: Convicted of assault and racketeering

Samuel Rivera - Passaic, NJ: Convicted of extortion and accepting bribes

Jeremiah Healy - Jersey City, NJ: Convicted of disorderly conduct and resisting arrest

Will Wynn - Austin, TX: Convicted of assault

Kwame Kilpatrick - Detroit, MI: Convicted of assaulting a police officer and perjury

Richard Corkery - Coaldale, PA: Convicted of child pornography and bail violations

Adam Bradley - White Plains, NY: Convicted of domestic violence

Gordon Jenkins - Monticello, NY: Pled guilty on multiple charges of trademark counterfeiting

Roosevelt Dorn - Inglewood, CA: Pled guilty to public corruption and embezzlement

Pat M. Ahumada, Jr. - Brownsville, TX: 3 DUI arrests

April Almond, East Haven, CT: Arrested for interfering with a police officer

Tony Mack - Trenton, NJ: Charged with accepting over $100,000 in bribes

No wonder they hate guns, a lot of them are Felons that can't own them!

 

[Bkreutz]

I always go back the saying (sometimes attributed to Mark Twain)

"There are lies, damn lies, and statistics"

 

[george minze]

New Jersey seems well represented........I wonder why ??????

 

[mike from st pete]

Let's look at the list of some of those Mayors Against Illegal Guns :

Sheila Dixon - Baltimore, MD: Convicted of perjury and embezzlement (of funds meant for charity)

Gary Becker - Racine, WI: Convicted of attempted child molestation and luring a child for illicit purposes

Larry Langford - Birmingham, AL: Convicted on 60 counts of bribery, fraud, money laundering and tax evasion

Eddie Perez - Hartford, CT: Convicted of bribery and extortion

David Donna - Guttenberg, NJ: Convicted of extortion and tax fraud

Frank Melton - Jackson, MS: Convicted of 'gun crimes', including his own city's possession ordinance

Buddy Cianci - Providence, RI: Convicted of assault and racketeering

Samuel Rivera - Passaic, NJ: Convicted of extortion and accepting bribes

Jeremiah Healy - Jersey City, NJ: Convicted of disorderly conduct and resisting arrest

Will Wynn - Austin, TX: Convicted of assault

Kwame Kilpatrick - Detroit, MI: Convicted of assaulting a police officer and perjury

Richard Corkery - Coaldale, PA: Convicted of child pornography and bail violations

Adam Bradley - White Plains, NY: Convicted of domestic violence

Gordon Jenkins - Monticello, NY: Pled guilty on multiple charges of trademark counterfeiting

Roosevelt Dorn - Inglewood, CA: Pled guilty to public corruption and embezzlement

Pat M. Ahumada, Jr. - Brownsville, TX: 3 DUI arrests

April Almond, East Haven, CT: Arrested for interfering with a police officer

Tony Mack - Trenton, NJ: Charged with accepting over $100,000 in bribes

No wonder they hate guns, a lot of them are Felons that can't own them!

Are felons allowed to hold elected office?

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

83% of all statistical comparisons are made up on the spot.

 

[Straightshooter2]

Let's look at the list of some of those Mayors Against Illegal Guns :

Sheila Dixon - Baltimore, MD: Convicted of perjury and embezzlement (of funds meant for charity)

Gary Becker - Racine, WI: Convicted of attempted child molestation and luring a child for illicit purposes

Larry Langford - Birmingham, AL: Convicted on 60 counts of bribery, fraud, money laundering and tax evasion

Eddie Perez - Hartford, CT: Convicted of bribery and extortion

David Donna - Guttenberg, NJ: Convicted of extortion and tax fraud

Frank Melton - Jackson, MS: Convicted of 'gun crimes', including his own city's possession ordinance

Buddy Cianci - Providence, RI: Convicted of assault and racketeering

Samuel Rivera - Passaic, NJ: Convicted of extortion and accepting bribes

Jeremiah Healy - Jersey City, NJ: Convicted of disorderly conduct and resisting arrest

Will Wynn - Austin, TX: Convicted of assault

Kwame Kilpatrick - Detroit, MI: Convicted of assaulting a police officer and perjury

Richard Corkery - Coaldale, PA: Convicted of child pornography and bail violations

Adam Bradley - White Plains, NY: Convicted of domestic violence

Gordon Jenkins - Monticello, NY: Pled guilty on multiple charges of trademark counterfeiting

Roosevelt Dorn - Inglewood, CA: Pled guilty to public corruption and embezzlement

Pat M. Ahumada, Jr. - Brownsville, TX: 3 DUI arrests

April Almond, East Haven, CT: Arrested for interfering with a police officer

Tony Mack - Trenton, NJ: Charged with accepting over $100,000 in bribes

No wonder they hate guns, a lot of them are Felons that can't own them!

Don't forget that there are mayors on that list that never signed up. I can't remember if it was the mayor of Pensacola or Panama City that didn't respond with a negative asking him to join so they added him to the list. He didn't know about it until his constituents started challenging him on it.

CW

 

[the ringo kid]

Let's look at the list of some of those Mayors Against Illegal Guns :

Sheila Dixon - Baltimore, MD: Convicted of perjury and embezzlement (of funds meant for charity)

Gary Becker - Racine, WI: Convicted of attempted child molestation and luring a child for illicit purposes

Larry Langford - Birmingham, AL: Convicted on 60 counts of bribery, fraud, money laundering and tax evasion

Eddie Perez - Hartford, CT: Convicted of bribery and extortion

David Donna - Guttenberg, NJ: Convicted of extortion and tax fraud

Frank Melton - Jackson, MS: Convicted of 'gun crimes', including his own city's possession ordinance

Buddy Cianci - Providence, RI: Convicted of assault and racketeering

Samuel Rivera - Passaic, NJ: Convicted of extortion and accepting bribes

Jeremiah Healy - Jersey City, NJ: Convicted of disorderly conduct and resisting arrest

Will Wynn - Austin, TX: Convicted of assault

Kwame Kilpatrick - Detroit, MI: Convicted of assaulting a police officer and perjury

Richard Corkery - Coaldale, PA: Convicted of child pornography and bail violations

Adam Bradley - White Plains, NY: Convicted of domestic violence

Gordon Jenkins - Monticello, NY: Pled guilty on multiple charges of trademark counterfeiting

Roosevelt Dorn - Inglewood, CA: Pled guilty to public corruption and embezzlement

Pat M. Ahumada, Jr. - Brownsville, TX: 3 DUI arrests

April Almond, East Haven, CT: Arrested for interfering with a police officer

Tony Mack - Trenton, NJ: Charged with accepting over $100,000 in bribes

No wonder they hate guns, a lot of them are Felons that can't own them!

When I was in College centuries ago--two who were classmates of mine were Nieces of Ahumada--who was from Rio Grande City on the border with Mexico--and is or then was==a major hub of activity for drug smuggling into Texas. Ahumada was implicated but apparently never charged. This was circa early 1990s.

 

[thomasinaz]

If this guy is a victim of "gun violence, then every perp shot by a LEO is also a victim of gun violence. Kind of makes you look sideways at their statistics.

My thought exactly. They forgot to sanitize their list to remove any "victims" the general public might remember as not quite victims...

 

[Stevens]

Boys (and girls), you just can't make this stuff up!

Boston bomb suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev included on list of victims of gun violence at NH rally - The Washington Post

"The group says his name shouldn't have been listed." Well Duh!

Seems to be a trend now, make a retraction AFTER getting caught in the lie!
Steve W

 

[Squarebutt]

Old Tamerlan was the victim of the stolen Mercedes SUV driven by his brother. It rolled over Tamerlan's head as the brother was running from the police. Around here, he's affectionately known as "Speedbump."

 

[Muley Gil]

"Are felons allowed to hold elected office?"

In many areas, yes.

Think Marion Barry of Washington, DC.

 

[redlevel]

At a MAIG reading in Concord, NH Tuesday, Christopher Dorner's name was read, along with at least 10 others who were suspected of murder and killed by police.

Bloomberg Group Named Christopher Dorner, Other Murder Suspects On List Of Gun Violence "Victims"

 

[G-Mac]

83% of all statistical comparisons are made up on the spot.

I heard it was 87%.

 

[rojodiablo]

Boys (and girls), you just can't make this stuff up!

Boston bomb suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev included on list of victims of gun violence at NH rally - The Washington Post

"The group says his name shouldn't have been listed." Well Duh!

Wellllllll............... Boston PD made sure he was well ventilated before it was all over. So, I guess in a way he did fall victim to a gun. But he was no 'Victim'. He was 'Deserving'.

And I say, GOOD FOR HIM.

 

[mike from st pete]

"Are felons allowed to hold elected office?"

In many areas, yes.

Think Marion Barry of Washington, DC.

Dang felons can hold elected office but they can't hold guns. Which is more dangerous?

 

[S&WIowegan]

Old Tamerlan was the victim of the stolen Mercedes SUV driven by his brother. It rolled over Tamerlan's head as the brother was running from the police. Around here, he's affectionately known as "Speedbump."

this is exactly correct! I have a relative in the Mass. ME's office and they found he was killed by his brother running over him. No one makes a point of this I guess because they're pleased with the idea the police nailed him first.

Whatever!!

 

[Squarebutt]

He was wounded, but alive, and the PD was cuffing him on the street when the second brother made his move. He hit the two cruisers behind the officers, and they barely jumped out of the way. Numerous LEO's were firing from all angles, and transit officer Richard Donohue caught a .45 slug through the femoral artery. He was without a pulse when he arrived at the hospital, but they saved him, and last week he went home on crutches to celebrate Father's Day with his wife and 7-month old son.

 

[carpe pugna]

If this guy is a victim of "gun violence, then every perp shot by a LEO is also a victim of gun violence. Kind of makes you look sideways at their statistics.

Statistics are suppose to be blind to cause...ALL deaths by gun violence is just that, whether three year olds shot by their brother, 15 year old girl shot by stray bullet from drive-by or LEO killing perp.

The database from which the data was gleaned is very specific about addressing that...ALL means ALL...no judgement, just raw data.

 

[redlevel]

Statistics are suppose to be blind to cause...ALL deaths by gun violence is just that, whether three year olds shot by their brother, 15 year old girl shot by stray bullet from drive-by or LEO killing perp.

The database from which the data was gleaned is very specific about addressing that...ALL means ALL...no judgement, just raw data.

In other words figures don't lie, but liars figure.

 

[carpe pugna]

this is exactly correct! I have a relative in the Mass. ME's office and they found he was killed by his brother running over him. No one makes a point of this I guess because they're pleased with the idea the police nailed him first.

Whatever!!

The coroners report specifically says he was killed by "gunshot wounds of torso and extremities and blunt trauma to head and torso."

Tamerlan Tsarnaev Death Certificate: Read The Boston Bombing Suspect's Burial Details And Cause Of Death [DOCUMENT]

 

[carpe pugna]

In other words figures don't lie, but liars figure.

I have found that folks usually don't trust statistics when they disagree with a preconceived notion and will fight to the end to support them if the stats support their belief.

But this has nothing to do with the statistics...it has to do with the PUBLISHED methodology of data collection.

 

[jaykellogg]

There have been a couple of articles in "The American Rifleman" about the use of polls and statistics. The anti gun folks say that polls say over 90% of Americans want better background checks. Yet other polls say only about 50% want further gun laws.

Of course the anti gun politicians are more than happy to give us a "background check" law with gun registration buried inside (bait and switch).