Brought home Four Reloading Manuals on Friday

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Yes, a garage sale! For .50 cents apiece:

Speer #8

Speer #9

Speer #10

Lyman #45

Number 8 has a BUNCH of defensive load data for .38 Special. Almost every load listed tops out a 1,000 - 1,100fps!! pbslinger suggested this is the manual that really caters to the S&W Heavy - Duty shooter.

It was a good haul!

If anyone wants .38 Special data out of Speer #8, just say the word...I'll scan the pages and make them available to anyone who asks.

Bob
 
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Sweet!

I've been looking for the Speer numbers 8 & 9 for a while. I started reloading with number 10.
 
While I have been using the Speer #8 data for years, I know that there are some folks that "pucker up" whenever that manual is mentioned.

I have the Speer #5 through Speer #8 and each one is a first printing edition.

They are available online too. A guy has his own website where he posts that information. I've been there a time or two through another site. Here is a link: BBHFarm Gallery :: Reloading Manuals

The 38spl data isn't the only caliber where you can find some real "zingers". Take a look at some of the 45AutoRim data from the Speer #8. I use that too! ;)
 
Tell, thanks for the web site. I bookmarked it and gonna try some of them 45 AR's. But sure like the loads for the 44 special also. Some of them really hummmmm along also
 
I know the majority of you older reloading guys out there already know this, but here goes again....
If you check several different loading manuals, you'll most likely find several different starting/max loadings for the same caliber and bullet weight. Accordingly, several of the same named powders have had their formulas "tweaked" within the past years. So....what one manual may list as "safe" as a max load with certain bullet weights/powder (especially jacketed ones), may not be with todays bullet/powder/primer combinations. I have new and old manuals spanning over 50 years. There are some real "screamers" listed in some of those old manuals. . However, I've found that if you look at all the different manual listings, then split the middle, you'll have much safer reloads!
 
SAA, Actually I do not think that the formulas of powder have been tweaked-EVERYtime I have checked new lots of powder against old lots of the same name they have been extremely close in performance.... but my new lots have actually acted very slightly slower.....so they would in theory permit fractionally higher charges. I do believe that there may have been wider lot to lot variations at times than we might wish to imagine. Mostly I think that the more "energetic" loadings -particularly of the past reflect two things. One is an attitude difference that is willing to push things closer to the limits of safety and the other is that low pressure cartridges are actually hard to pressure test consistently......Furthermore,most current data is conservative ( I am not saying artificially kept low just cautious in seeking to keep all individual readings under the max average allowable) and SAAMI standards have varied some over the years.

Having said that , I am not willing to shoot Speer #8 38 special 4756 loads in my 38s......most of the data with other powders is "warm" but not truly excessive having been loaded for years , is comparable with other manuals, and never deleted from later editions of Speer 8.

OTOH current 38spl and .357 mag data for 4756 makes no sense whatsoever-it doesn't reflect anywhere near actual velocities with any lot of the powder I have ever used, and is very incongruent with the relative burning rate of the powder. I speculate that the team on Speer 8 and its contemporary Sierra crew had a lot of 4756 that was a little slower than any other lot and that shortly after publication Dupont released the fastest ever lot of 4756.......and problems surfaced. I suspect that Dupont, then IMR, then Hodgdon have submitted batches of the overly fast lot for testing ever since trying to avoid a recurrence of the dangerous problem.
 
Understand the reluctance to shoot loads from the older manuals when they differ quite a bit from the new manuals. But, ask yourself how many people you know who have had "incidents" when shooting those older loads. Personally I haven't any such knowledge. I've been using the Speer #11 for years and there are those who say that many of those loads are too hot. But neither I nor anyone I know has ever had a problem with them. The basic rule applies: start at the low end and creep up in 10% increments until you find what you are looking for. When you see signs of overpressure, back off.
 
Great link Tell!

I have always wanted to look over these infamous loads. They do seem HOT!!

In several of my manuals, the max load shown is BELOW what Speer #8 lists the starting load at.
 
I intend to be very careful...in fact, I will only use the "warmer" .38 Special loads in HDs or .357s....no K-frames.

Bob
 
I intend to be very careful...in fact, I will only use the "warmer" .38 Special loads in HDs or .357s....no K-frames.

Bob

Smart man! ;)

When I do run some of the "hotter" 38spl loads from the older manuals, I run them though my "L" frame 357s. I don't own an "N" frame 38spl so....................
 
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