Bug Out Facts, Fables and Fairy Tales.

Mel Tappan wrote extensively about all this 30+ years ago, and I think he'd agree with Mule. I think I'm too old and slow to be "bugging out" anywhere. He describes this as the "backpacker" mentality and explains why it's not very practical (even if you're not old and slow). Mr. Tappan suggested living in a rural community where folks know each other, etc, at least a tank of gas away from any large city. I don't live that far from the big city, but do now live in a smaller town where a lot of us really do know each other. He mentions that you don't want to be the stranger who blew into town just before the "crunch." Good advice I think......ymmv
 
Mule Packer brought up a point that has always bugged me. If you look at the prepper boards or worse, the companies that sell "survival supplies" they almost always recommend having things like 50lb bags of rice or dried beans or the ever popular buckets with 90 days of dehydrated food. I see this and think just where do you plan to get all this needed water from? :confused:
In a real SHTF scenario potable water will very quickly become one of the most precious, desired and needed commodities to be found. I'll wager to guess that a large number of deaths will be from dehydration and/or drinking bad water.

Another item that always makes me laugh are the people who say "I have a gun and I'll just take what I need". Guess what dummy, many of us are better armed, better shots and better trained than you. We'll be happy to add your weapons to our supply when we take them off your dead body.

In all honesty, if TEOTWAWKI should happen, I will probably wind up dead. I want to believe I'll last a lot longer than most and I'll go down fighting. More likely, I'll be murdered when I have to sleep.
Water... This is not that tough.
Certain plants are happy to perform some purification services for you.
Rain, and distillation round out the options. Depends on if you're holed up, or on the hoof.
The have gun will take part is hilarious. Home field advantage means a lot more than they think.
Do promise to kill em slow so that they have a moment to realize how stupid they were.
Getting whacked in your sleep.
Community, is the key.
The looter shoot event is to be enjoyed with friends.
You can sleep in rotation that way.
Take your time picking off the ones hitting the libtards down the street, the looters will bring their provisions to the street for safe collection if you let them serve as slave labor for you.
 
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What he said. BTW... Ματθιας... your name sure is hard to pronounce. (No offence meant... but that's the first letter "c" I ever saw that has a man-gland hangin' down off'n it.)

This is the danger... when folks with hungry kids get desperate to feed 'em... they gonna risk all safety to get that food. As a matter of fact... some are gonna do awful and heinous stuff that they would not even consider durin' normal times.

At all costs... they're gonna feed them kids.
if they chose poorly enough to be an issue, they will first try to use the kids as a begging tactic. If that fails, they will dump the brats off on you.
The ones that will get nasty as needed, are those that chose wisely. They will have your back during the looter shoot.
 
I live in the country and plan on staying here. The only ones welcome here are family and tell them don't worry so much about guns but bring as much food as you can.
My problem would be water.......too much of it. Without a sump pump my basement would start getting water. I could use it for flushing toilets and my battery backup sump pump would last as long as my batteries hold up. I've been talking about adding solar to them and should do that one day.
I've thought about parents with kids that would come begging and get mean when hungry enough. I'd probably feed the kids something and turn them away. Looters would be another thing. Problem is they wouldn't show up wearing a looter sign either. Hardcore from the city would probably try and BS you first then kill you. Sorting out who is who would be the problem. Maybe rejecting all would be best policy.
 
Another item that always makes me laugh are the people who say "I have a gun and I'll just take what I need". Guess what dummy, many of us are better armed, better shots and better trained than you. We'll be happy to add your weapons to our supply when we take them off your dead body.

I actually read something like that on one of them AR15-type message boards. Durin' the discussion on "how much food is necessary"... this fella pipes up and says... "Who needs to store bread when ya got bullets? When the time comes, I'll just take what I need."

If shtf happens... he's gonna have a rude awakenin' or rather... a sudden-sleep.

The greatest danger to everybody that is truly prepared... is them folks who falsely think they are really prepared now. They will have enough ammo and guns... 'cause that was the first thing they bought. When their limited supplies run out... then they will try to use what they read on them survivalist message boards to go out and take what they need. These folks will be the greatest danger... I consider them to be the third-wave of folks behind the "no-prepareds" and the "bullies".
 
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Just don't step on my shoes.

Just got back in from my annual task of stringing electric fence wire around the vegetable garden to keep the raccoons out of the corn and happened to check out one of those survival forums.

It was pretty interesting, if not downright entertaining. I noticed that an awful lot of folks plan on "bugging out" to the country when the proverbial "ship hits the sand." I can certainly understand their feelings, but being an ol' guy who happens to live out in the country, I couldn't help but wonder...where in the heck do these people plan on going?

I may be wrong, but I think a lot of them see the "country" as that being portrayed in the old Shirley Temple movie, Rebecca of Sunny Brook Farm....where there's an endless bounty and everyone is eager to share all their produce, smoked hams, and homemade peach chutney.

Do they realize that the "country" just isn't out in the middle of nowhere, for the most part. I mean, we have neighbors, too...we just have a little more elbow room than those folks who live in urban areas. Also, the standard of living is usually a little bit lower in rural areas than in the major metropolitan areas. Many folks out here just don't have an endless supply of commodities they can just magnanimously dish out.

Do these people who are bugging out to the country just plan on squatting on someone's land without some repercussions? Let's face it, the folks in the country probably have had more experience in dealing with trespassers than these urban folks have had in breaking the law.

If, by some chance, they do find some land they can squat on, and manage to plant their garden and raise a few animals, how do they plan on getting water? To those in urban areas, they probably don't give that much thought. They just turn on the tap and Presto!!!...water comes out.

In the West and Southwest, it's a different story. You have water shares. That's right...shares. That means you own so much water. And, to throw another wrench in the works, you just can't go out any time you want and turn on the water to water your fields, crops, gardens, animals, etc. Nope...you have to wait your turn, and sometimes your turn (which might only be an hour long) might come every other week at two o'clock in the morning. And there's a designated water master who has the job of patrolling to make sure everybody plays fair.

It doesn't matter if the creek runs right through your property or not. If you're caught diverting that creek water onto your crops during an unscheduled time, you're in a heap of trouble...up to $5,000 for the first offense. You think I'm kidding? People have gotten themselves killed over water rights, and fairly recently, too. Can everybody say, "drought"?

So, if by some chance, these folks find a quaint little spot with a creek running through it, and figure the creek is their emergency water supply, they might find themselves facing a bunch of angry country boys with guns.

Anyway...sorry to ramble on with this rant. I just found some of their remarks rather amusing. Oh well, enough of this and let's just hope we'll never have to face such catastrophes.


I doubt the city folk understand the take care of your own attitude we have.
Read Mel Tappan's books from the 70 and 80s for some interesting history.

My God Son was in the mix during Katina in Mississippi. He and some locals were armed on horseback keeping the peace in his neck of the woods. CELL PHONES were kaput for much of the time.

I really don't want or need nor will tolerate an invasion.
An old friend once remarked," I know where I'm going for food if I ever need it." The guy was a teacher with 2x incomes.
I told him he would be welcome to ask. Take any and he would be feeding my dog.
I left the east coast in 76 to avoid the mentality of city folks.
I don't miss it.

Some times the welcome mat is not down for strangers.
Oh ZOMBIES TOO :)

In times of trouble ya best have a plan and share the information with those who will be impacted.
Lord knows what it is like deer season with all the yuppies heading north.
 
I always say that I don't need any of that fancy web gear and load-bearing vest stuff. I'll just stick around and let it come to me.

If I need any of that, I'll just peel it off the dead yuppie preppers in the streets. They'll all have at least ten 30-rounders full of some exotic ammo, plenty of water, and MOPP gear.

Okay - I really don't see that happening - but it could. :D

Like dcxplant said. I'm fine right here.
 
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TEOTWAWKI and/or SHTF; I'm laying low and letting the low hanging fruit types (I'll just take what I want) shoot it out. In a month a huge part of the population will be killed, leaving the criminal types and the (armed) good neighbor types facing off.

Water will be the next big population thinner. In Phoenix, people will stake out territories along the canal system if it's still flowing. Expect deadly turf wars over water.

The sickness will start thinning even more of the population. Medication supplies run out, disease from dirty water, heat stroke and heat exhaustion.

Then the groceries run out and the real fun begins....

For those in the Phoenix valley; some nitwit decided to put a nuclear power plant UPWIND of a city with 6 million people, all of whom will be bugging out in the same general direction. It'll be UGLY because there are plenty of gun nuts, most of them not very smart. The carnage would be epic.

The simple truth is, our population CANNOT be supported without the vast industrial complex in place.

If the nightmare the preppers imagine happens, most of us will die, many in the first 30 days or less.
 
This is all fun to think and talk about. Yesterday I led a group of 12 ATV`s on a 60 mile trail loop around Circleville and Panguitch Utah. Outside of cattle we didnt see another critter. After the ride and on the way home by ourselves Theresa and I seen about 30 antelope and about 20 deer on the way home. Of course by that time they were starting to come out. That country is all BLM or national forrest. You can be sure the cattle are owned by ranchers that know how to shoot.
I say a day WILL come when the tin hatters are right. It`s biblical prophecy. I probley wont be here and if I am I already am old and have mostly lived out my life anyway. This stuff is already happening everyday elsewhere on the other side of the globe. In most cases where it has been happening the people already have been scraping to survive all their lives where we havent. What about those christians a couple weeks ago that were chased up that mountain top that had to be rescued? What about all the Indians right here a 150 years ago that all ended up on reservations after spending their lives knowing how to "live off the land"? It happens.
Even if we have gas stashed for our tractors, jeeps, atv`s and trail bikes after 6 months or a year they tell me it wouldnt be any good. I live in the center of Mormon country. I aint one but I understand they are told to keep six months of grub on hand. I think they will fare better than most gentiles in the citys. Think there will be any cannibalism?
To me at this point in my life its just something interesting to fantasize about but I do believe our grandkids should be concerned.
 
SODIS - Solar disinfection. One way to deal with water purification (of course if you near a source). Just save up those liter bottles. Line them up on a piece of sheet metal and sit tight. This has been used for years in 3rd world countries.
SODIS: Welcome to SODIS
 
Bug out to the country

I suggest reading a couple of the "change series" books by S.M. Stirling to see a dreadfully realistic picture of what a post-apocalyptic exodus to the countryside would be like. And what would happen in the cities. It isn't going to go well.

Also, in the history of the world, and as depicted in Stirling's books, trying to stand and defend a position is a losing proposition if the attackers can lay siege or keep bringing reinforcements. Those who want to dig a hole in the ground will be buried there.

As depicted in Stirling's books, it is the cooperation of many people who work together that results in survival. Survivalists seem to generally be loners or ones who think they can survive with a small band of violent cohorts. Meh. They should study modern-day Africa or the Middle East to see why militias formed by tribes and large families work. And they should note how many of those people die anyway.

It may be a cliche, but instead of spending so much effort and treasure working out how to be violent and fight it, how about working for peace and cooperation?
 
If you bug out, that makes you a refugee. look how well refugees have faired in the past. I'm staying put.

A good point. I know it is fiction but in the book One Second After "refugees" were being collected at government gunpoint and forced into collection centers. People trying to leave had to escape at the risk of being shot.

There are almost too many scenarios and contingencies to plan for and certainly nothing will go according to plan.
 
This is one of those write a book or say nothing topics.

First let me say that my opinion on this is based on my religious beliefs; based on my understanding of the Bible I don't believe we're going to see some total breakdown of civilization as we know it. If anything I think the government is going to get stronger and exert more force to maintain its power.

What I do believe is that we are going to see an increase in natural disasters and civil unrest causing short term break downs and more and more ineffective responses by the Government ( The FEMA trailers in NOLA that stillaren't being used).

I also believe that we are going to see an increase in lawlessness. With the civil authorities absent (or participating in the looting as in NOLA) even for a short time people are going to just take what they want from whoever they can.

I suspect that these events are going to be localized and if possible your best bet would be to leave the affected area if possible (get out of the hurricane/ fire / flood zone) and find somewhere (in another city) to stay until you can go back. If that's not possible then I would try to stay as far under the radar as possible.

There was a member on THR that lived through Katrina (but not in New Orleans) he said that the fact that his home was the only one on the block that had lights drew more far attention that he cared for. He also said that people could hear his generator for miles because there were no other sounds to mask it.

My wife and I spent 4 years laying in "emergency supplies" we had enough canned goods to live off of for 5 to 7 years and then lost all of them when they froze. Now we have enough for a month or two and we don't waste a lot of time trying to pile up more.

In my mid 20s I had a bug out bag all ready to go and I was going to go live in the mountains (Colorado Springs butts right up against the Rocky Mountain National Forrest) well guess what I'm almost 50 now and even if I could stand up to the physical demands of living off the land my wife surely couldn't so that's out.

Long story short I believe that most likely scenario is that we are going to have to be able to fend for ourselves for a week or two maybe a month and that's what we prepare for.
 
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