CAJUNLAWYER
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Where do you plan on pooping smart guy???
Bug out to where?
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CAJUNLAWYER
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Can also be caused by smothered Cabbage.
revho
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Anyone else want to rendezvous and hold up at the local Twinkie warehouse? "Silly customer, you cannot harm a Twinkie."
1morethan8
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With the kill rate from prescription drugs you might be better off to grow your own!
Rex Goliath
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Keep Calm & Carry On.
I have some habits. Some good...some not so good (according to my young bride).
I was pouring off the liquified bacon fat into a coffee can after making some bacon. She asked, why I keep doing that?
A vital substance known as glycerin comes from fats. Pre-WWII, in the United States, most glycerin used came from the production of soap—when fats and lye are combined, soap and glycerin are formed. When there are dire straights, there are usually many options. The greatest generation learned their fair share. The bacon fat conservation thing was passed along and a common practice on the home front. In our modern society, we are rarely asked to sacrifice.
Become self-sufficient...enough for a few weeks duration. Calmly Carry On. It may not be pleasant. There may be sacrifices. As I recall...the Byrds song (Turn)... there is a time for all things under Heaven.
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I have some habits. Some good...some not so good (according to my young bride).
I was pouring off the liquified bacon fat into a coffee can after making some bacon. She asked, why I keep doing that?
A vital substance known as glycerin comes from fats. Pre-WWII, in the United States, most glycerin used came from the production of soap—when fats and lye are combined, soap and glycerin are formed. When there are dire straights, there are usually many options. The greatest generation learned their fair share. The bacon fat conservation thing was passed along and a common practice on the home front. In our modern society, we are rarely asked to sacrifice.
Become self-sufficient...enough for a few weeks duration. Calmly Carry On. It may not be pleasant. There may be sacrifices. As I recall...the Byrds song (Turn)... there is a time for all things under Heaven.
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M3Stuart
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My plan: get in my blower-equipped Javelin AMX, (though parts are getting scarce these days) with my dog, leather duds, sawed off double-barrel 12 gauge (with a half a box of old shells) and hit the highway.
Think I'll change my name to 'Max'. Though I won't be 'mad' at anybody...
Think I'll change my name to 'Max'. Though I won't be 'mad' at anybody...
BigBill
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Why are these, "walking dead" and zombie stuff on tv now? Do you think there prepping us for the future?
Those who are survival ready with food, water and toilet paper will live till your supply runs out. My soil is fertile. I have plenty of seeds.
Those who are survival ready with food, water and toilet paper will live till your supply runs out. My soil is fertile. I have plenty of seeds.
I plan on "Holing Up" at the nearest Doughnut Shop !
Folks keep talking about eating produce grown in a garden, planting seeds, fishing etc.
Those that have produce stored away already will have something to eat for a while, OK.
But depending on the "event" or disaster say biological or nuclear, everything will be contaminated, The air, water, soil so all those little wabbits and bunnies you plan to shoot or veggies you plan to grow, fish in the pond just is not gonna happen.
Any the thousands after they same things will try to kill you first.
Those that have produce stored away already will have something to eat for a while, OK.
But depending on the "event" or disaster say biological or nuclear, everything will be contaminated, The air, water, soil so all those little wabbits and bunnies you plan to shoot or veggies you plan to grow, fish in the pond just is not gonna happen.
Any the thousands after they same things will try to kill you first.
I'm not talking nuclear holocaust or biological warfare. I'm talking about something a little more realistic...an out-and-out, full-blown, depression.
No matter how you slice it, our so-called "financial wizards" aren't smart enough from keeping this country out of another great depression. I certainly don't want to get political, but if you look at our current situation, we may not be too far from it. Like someone once said, "If your neighbor is out of a job, it's a recession. But, if you're out of a job, it's a depression."
Sure, like Rule 3 pointed out, after a nuclear fallout everything will be contaminated. Probably not a whole lot we can do about that. But after talking to several people who weathered the depression, there are a few things we can do to at least come out of something of that nature somewhat unscathed.
My father-in-law lived on a little 13-acre farm during the depression. There were eleven kids in the family. He once told me, "Our clothes were patched, but all of the kids in my school wore patched clothes. Our shoes had holes in them, but all of the kids in my school had holes in their shoes. But, because of that little farm, we never went hungry, and a lot of the kids in my school couldn't say that."
Anyway, I know I can't do much about a nuclear war or a zombie attack, but I'm going to give it my best shot in trying to minimize negative effects if we ever go through another depression. We may not be living in the style to which we are accustomed, but through a little frugality and down-to-earth common sense, we might not do too badly.
No matter how you slice it, our so-called "financial wizards" aren't smart enough from keeping this country out of another great depression. I certainly don't want to get political, but if you look at our current situation, we may not be too far from it. Like someone once said, "If your neighbor is out of a job, it's a recession. But, if you're out of a job, it's a depression."
Sure, like Rule 3 pointed out, after a nuclear fallout everything will be contaminated. Probably not a whole lot we can do about that. But after talking to several people who weathered the depression, there are a few things we can do to at least come out of something of that nature somewhat unscathed.
My father-in-law lived on a little 13-acre farm during the depression. There were eleven kids in the family. He once told me, "Our clothes were patched, but all of the kids in my school wore patched clothes. Our shoes had holes in them, but all of the kids in my school had holes in their shoes. But, because of that little farm, we never went hungry, and a lot of the kids in my school couldn't say that."
Anyway, I know I can't do much about a nuclear war or a zombie attack, but I'm going to give it my best shot in trying to minimize negative effects if we ever go through another depression. We may not be living in the style to which we are accustomed, but through a little frugality and down-to-earth common sense, we might not do too badly.
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Nuke plant is actually GOOD to have nearby.
While yeah, a small group of determined turds could take down a substation and disrupt power to a given area, or maybe even a region- the power plant itself will be locked down and idling right along. The closer to the transmission lines...... the faster power will be restored.
Power plants are NOT very easy to turn on their head. And if they had a reason to ramp up the threat level prior to anything happening?? The plant WILL be extremely well protected, and outlying areas close by will not be 'allowed' to be turned into a festival of snot for the plant. Pretty simple. If the plant is actually put under duress? It's going to be secured and that will be the end of that. Unless a person had enough mayhem on board to break down the inner protections, then the plants redundancy systems should carry it thru.
If not??? Cover yourself in BBQ sauce, and walk towards the plant. When you start to smell really tasty, you are about done for, and will go out as a 5'9" Bratwurst. Not quite sure where to find a bun big enough to wrap yourself in......
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All are good posts and comments. My daughter lived in Houston and evacuated before Hurricane Rita came through. I told her to fill up the car, load the cats, her husband and her S&W .38. God bless her she asked "Why the gun daddy" My reply was simple and brutal
"Their car is out of gas, yours is not, they will KILL you in order to escape"
She was stunned but did what I told them to do, a drive that takes 3 hours from Houston to San Antonio ended up an 13 hour ordeal!!
"Their car is out of gas, yours is not, they will KILL you in order to escape"
She was stunned but did what I told them to do, a drive that takes 3 hours from Houston to San Antonio ended up an 13 hour ordeal!!
they say if u can hide out with enough food and water for 6 months 80% of the population will be gone from fighting over reasorces . i also will tell u if EMP hits the government will be down also there aint gunna be no fema
Nuke plant is actually GOOD to have nearby.
While yeah, a small group of determined turds could take down a substation and disrupt power to a given area, or maybe even a region- the power plant itself will be locked down and idling right along. The closer to the transmission lines...... the faster power will be restored.
Power plants are NOT very easy to turn on their head. And if they had a reason to ramp up the threat level prior to anything happening?? The plant WILL be extremely well protected, and outlying areas close by will not be 'allowed' to be turned into a festival of snot for the plant. Pretty simple. If the plant is actually put under duress? It's going to be secured and that will be the end of that. Unless a person had enough mayhem on board to break down the inner protections, then the plants redundancy systems should carry it thru.
If not??? Cover yourself in BBQ sauce, and walk towards the plant. When you start to smell really tasty, you are about done for, and will go out as a 5'9" Bratwurst. Not quite sure where to find a bun big enough to wrap yourself in......
Unfortunately, it's that blind faith that things "WILL" be done and are "NOT" going to happen, along with evidence we already have to the contrary during other events, that lead people to think about fending for themselves.
A fun book I read recently is Disaster Diaries: How I Learned to stop Worrying and Love the Apocalypse. This guy learns a ton of stuff to help in many end of the world as we know it scenarios... Some realistic and some pure fantasy (spoiler: it's zombies! ) there's a chapter on shooting... Even one on hot wiring cars. Very entertaining. Author is Sam Sheridan.
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feralmerril
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Its a recession when everyone else is out of work, a depression when you are out of work. We look and wonder about these mass scenario`s yet they are happening on individual basis`s to some people every moment. Got news for you, every last one of us is going to experience it. (Death in some form)
Somehow we as a group see us as good and everyone else as evil. You know, californians dont come here, ya all yankees stay north, we dont care how ya did it in chicago etc. If you live in the city rednecks, hillbillys and nurds live in the sticks. Live in the sticks and its city slickers, liberals and welfare cheats live in town. Caint we all jus get along?
When the comet hits the citys are going to be hit with the looting first. Doesnt the bible say men will pray for the mountains to fall on them?
I dont worry much about it.
Somehow we as a group see us as good and everyone else as evil. You know, californians dont come here, ya all yankees stay north, we dont care how ya did it in chicago etc. If you live in the city rednecks, hillbillys and nurds live in the sticks. Live in the sticks and its city slickers, liberals and welfare cheats live in town. Caint we all jus get along?
When the comet hits the citys are going to be hit with the looting first. Doesnt the bible say men will pray for the mountains to fall on them?
I dont worry much about it.
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The OP is about a novel. It is fiction. Electro Magnetic outages are possible. As my father oft said, "...many things are possible, not always probable..." When it comes down to the nitty gritty where the rubber meets the road, this thread is about attitudes about developing and implementing advanced hedging strategies to protect ones self, extended family and our immediate communities from "unforeseen events". Well now, it is no longer unforeseen. Again from my dad, "...nobody plans to fail, but many fail to plan..."
The flippant response might be, "...I have guns and ammo, thus can take what Is needed from those who do not..." Or, "...I have a BB gun and will take a shift and will protect your corn field from the crows in exchange for a bushel of corn..." Or, "...I set aside some per-1965 silver dollars made of 90% silver and 10% nickel worth about $21 in today's spot metal price, I will buy the bushel of corn..."
There is some fiction woven into the facts. There can and will be chaos; we are talking about homo sapiens, stay clear of the chaotic ones. The flippant response would be, go to the wealthiest community nearest to you (I am 50 miles from Beverly Hills), the City will lock that town down like a vault, so hunker down in that wealthy community with integrated protective services.
Hedging strategies are like insurance. Create some and like insurance hope you never have to use it. My father's words yet again, "...hope is not a course of action..." In the OP, was the electro magnetic event a "crisis", if so, get the crisis plan out and implement it. A crisis is an unplanned emergency of limited duration; and sometimes, one crisis will lead to another, but it is still one strategy with many tactical layers.
As a parting shot, another quote (no, not my Dad) as Winston Churchill said about war fighting; "...is a series of blunders, the side that makes the fewest wins..." Again, in instances of social breakdown, riots, revolts and insurrections we are still talking about homo sapiens, as human nature will have it ...there will be mistakes in any chaos contingency plan. Accept it. For now, I am off to the market to get some heavy duty aluminum foil...Happy Independence Day...save some foil for the BBQ'ing ;-o)
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The flippant response might be, "...I have guns and ammo, thus can take what Is needed from those who do not..." Or, "...I have a BB gun and will take a shift and will protect your corn field from the crows in exchange for a bushel of corn..." Or, "...I set aside some per-1965 silver dollars made of 90% silver and 10% nickel worth about $21 in today's spot metal price, I will buy the bushel of corn..."
There is some fiction woven into the facts. There can and will be chaos; we are talking about homo sapiens, stay clear of the chaotic ones. The flippant response would be, go to the wealthiest community nearest to you (I am 50 miles from Beverly Hills), the City will lock that town down like a vault, so hunker down in that wealthy community with integrated protective services.
Hedging strategies are like insurance. Create some and like insurance hope you never have to use it. My father's words yet again, "...hope is not a course of action..." In the OP, was the electro magnetic event a "crisis", if so, get the crisis plan out and implement it. A crisis is an unplanned emergency of limited duration; and sometimes, one crisis will lead to another, but it is still one strategy with many tactical layers.
As a parting shot, another quote (no, not my Dad) as Winston Churchill said about war fighting; "...is a series of blunders, the side that makes the fewest wins..." Again, in instances of social breakdown, riots, revolts and insurrections we are still talking about homo sapiens, as human nature will have it ...there will be mistakes in any chaos contingency plan. Accept it. For now, I am off to the market to get some heavy duty aluminum foil...Happy Independence Day...save some foil for the BBQ'ing ;-o)
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Hobie1
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It's great to receive the responses. Insightful, makes one think outside the box.
Here's a movie that for being made in 1983 is pretty good.
The Day After (TV Movie 1983) - IMDb
And with much thanks to all that have or are going to post!
Hobie
I'm going to go to the hardware store and get another light for my flag.
God bless the USA!
Here's a movie that for being made in 1983 is pretty good.
The Day After (TV Movie 1983) - IMDb
And with much thanks to all that have or are going to post!
Hobie
I'm going to go to the hardware store and get another light for my flag.
God bless the USA!
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Without getting side tracked into the body politic; we will walk into the propeller or shoot ourselves in the foot before an EMP gets us. Colony collapse disorder (CCD) could wipe out pollinating bee populations. Bees are mandatory for productive crops. No bees, no food, no human race in about 3 years. Too, legislation threatens family farming in favor of big corporate agri-business; not withstanding
In the past, seeds have been worth their weight in Gold. Seeds cannot be created from scratch, yet they do self replicate, and they offer plant life in its most compact form. Many of our ancestors sewed seeds (literally) into the lining of their clothing to avoid having them be detected (and confiscated) during immigration. This allowed them to maintain heirloom varieties that their families had often kept for generations.
it is more important than ever to acquire high quality, royalty-free seeds. However, seeds will not keep forever, lasting between 2 and 5 years on average. Know what are the longest average shelf life for seeds to maximize the longevity of a (seed) investment...pun intended.
However the pesticide industry has been buying up the seed industry at an aggressive pace over the past two decades. Consumers and corporations have different interests regarding seeds and vegetables. Consumers prefer more tender vegetables that are vine-ripened since they normally have more flavor (and nutrition). Big Agribusiness however opts for items that can better survive freight, often at the expense of all else. While consumers want diversity, corporations want uniformity. For example, out of 10,000 edible plants, only 120 (or about 1%) provide 90% of the food worldwide!
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Types of Seeds
Before purchasing seeds it is essential to understand the 3 main types of seeds:
* Heirloom seeds (known as Heritage seeds in Europe) will reproduce the same every generation (most assume all seeds are like this). Heirloom seeds are also referred to as being Open Pollinated since they can be pollinated by birds, insects or the wind. While many plants must be protected from being crossed with other types using a greenhouse, walls or field isolation, some crops are "self pollinating" and can be relied upon to breed true, with the occasional "off type".
* Hybrid seeds are a combination of two or more heirloom varieties. While providing diversity, over time these seeds gradually revert to the parent that was dominant, often changing unpredictably for the worse. Hybrid seeds must be repurchased each season in order to obtain the same exact crop. Hybrid seeds are also known as Closed Pollinated seeds since they are typically pollinated under controlled conditions to show specific traits.
* Genetically Modified (GMO) seeds are manipulated in a laboratory (often combining plants with animal matter in ways impossible in Nature). On one hand, the corporations that make GMO seeds claim that their product is unique enough to patent; on the other hand they argue that no testing should be required since these products are GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe). GMO pollen not only contaminates organic farms nearby, but courts have found those organic farmers guilty of patent infringement! Some GMO crops have been designed to produce sterile seeds by using a gene Terminator (picture a seed with dark shades saying "I'll not be back!"). Recent studies confirm that GMO crops not only require more pesticide but produce lower yield than conventional crops. GMO pollen can never be recalled and biotechnology will likely one day provide the world with a major Bio-uh-oh.
8 Vegetable Seeds w/ the Longest Shelf Life: Source Attribution - http://www.naturalnews.com/026109_seeds_life_family.html
For those who do not bug-out, even those in urban or suburban locales that must hunker down; there will be plenty of high ground to hold...rhetorically speaking, actually roof tops. People have been growing things on roofs since the ziggurats of ancient Mesopotamia and the Hanging Gardens of Babylon — it's not exactly a new idea. Today, rooftop farms can be found in cities around the world, albeit in small numbers. With the abundance of unused rooftop space across the globe (Honolulu alone has more than 17 million square feet of rooftops) you may wonder why there aren't more farms above us. Traditionally, the reason has been weight — the majority of rooftops in existence today were not designed to withstand the extreme loads that conventional rooftop farming methods exert on the building below. No vested interested, that's where FarmRoof comes in…learn what types of building can accommodate rooftop farming - http://farmroof.com/rooftop-farming/
Do not want to, don't know how to or cannot grow your own food/medicinals; let the folks at CHS (a leading global agribusiness, owned by farmers, ranchers and cooperatives across the United States) do what they have been doing all along. Just own shares and derive the interest income from a diversified outfit in energy, grains and foods, CHS is committed to helping its customers, farmer-owners and other stakeholders grow their businesses through its domestic and global operations. CHS preferred stock is listed on the NASDAQ at CHSCP.
"...the single twig breaks, a bundle of twigs are strong..." Tecumseh
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In the past, seeds have been worth their weight in Gold. Seeds cannot be created from scratch, yet they do self replicate, and they offer plant life in its most compact form. Many of our ancestors sewed seeds (literally) into the lining of their clothing to avoid having them be detected (and confiscated) during immigration. This allowed them to maintain heirloom varieties that their families had often kept for generations.
it is more important than ever to acquire high quality, royalty-free seeds. However, seeds will not keep forever, lasting between 2 and 5 years on average. Know what are the longest average shelf life for seeds to maximize the longevity of a (seed) investment...pun intended.
However the pesticide industry has been buying up the seed industry at an aggressive pace over the past two decades. Consumers and corporations have different interests regarding seeds and vegetables. Consumers prefer more tender vegetables that are vine-ripened since they normally have more flavor (and nutrition). Big Agribusiness however opts for items that can better survive freight, often at the expense of all else. While consumers want diversity, corporations want uniformity. For example, out of 10,000 edible plants, only 120 (or about 1%) provide 90% of the food worldwide!
__________________________
Types of Seeds
Before purchasing seeds it is essential to understand the 3 main types of seeds:
* Heirloom seeds (known as Heritage seeds in Europe) will reproduce the same every generation (most assume all seeds are like this). Heirloom seeds are also referred to as being Open Pollinated since they can be pollinated by birds, insects or the wind. While many plants must be protected from being crossed with other types using a greenhouse, walls or field isolation, some crops are "self pollinating" and can be relied upon to breed true, with the occasional "off type".
* Hybrid seeds are a combination of two or more heirloom varieties. While providing diversity, over time these seeds gradually revert to the parent that was dominant, often changing unpredictably for the worse. Hybrid seeds must be repurchased each season in order to obtain the same exact crop. Hybrid seeds are also known as Closed Pollinated seeds since they are typically pollinated under controlled conditions to show specific traits.
* Genetically Modified (GMO) seeds are manipulated in a laboratory (often combining plants with animal matter in ways impossible in Nature). On one hand, the corporations that make GMO seeds claim that their product is unique enough to patent; on the other hand they argue that no testing should be required since these products are GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe). GMO pollen not only contaminates organic farms nearby, but courts have found those organic farmers guilty of patent infringement! Some GMO crops have been designed to produce sterile seeds by using a gene Terminator (picture a seed with dark shades saying "I'll not be back!"). Recent studies confirm that GMO crops not only require more pesticide but produce lower yield than conventional crops. GMO pollen can never be recalled and biotechnology will likely one day provide the world with a major Bio-uh-oh.
8 Vegetable Seeds w/ the Longest Shelf Life: Source Attribution - http://www.naturalnews.com/026109_seeds_life_family.html
For those who do not bug-out, even those in urban or suburban locales that must hunker down; there will be plenty of high ground to hold...rhetorically speaking, actually roof tops. People have been growing things on roofs since the ziggurats of ancient Mesopotamia and the Hanging Gardens of Babylon — it's not exactly a new idea. Today, rooftop farms can be found in cities around the world, albeit in small numbers. With the abundance of unused rooftop space across the globe (Honolulu alone has more than 17 million square feet of rooftops) you may wonder why there aren't more farms above us. Traditionally, the reason has been weight — the majority of rooftops in existence today were not designed to withstand the extreme loads that conventional rooftop farming methods exert on the building below. No vested interested, that's where FarmRoof comes in…learn what types of building can accommodate rooftop farming - http://farmroof.com/rooftop-farming/
Do not want to, don't know how to or cannot grow your own food/medicinals; let the folks at CHS (a leading global agribusiness, owned by farmers, ranchers and cooperatives across the United States) do what they have been doing all along. Just own shares and derive the interest income from a diversified outfit in energy, grains and foods, CHS is committed to helping its customers, farmer-owners and other stakeholders grow their businesses through its domestic and global operations. CHS preferred stock is listed on the NASDAQ at CHSCP.
"...the single twig breaks, a bundle of twigs are strong..." Tecumseh
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All those living in major metropolitan areas will have trouble coming from all directions. Might last a short time, but "bend over and kiss your behind goodbye" is eminent.
Those outlying areas will be consumed as well. How long it will take is anyone's guess, But it will happen if a castrophe lasts long enough.
Food, fuel, Medicine and doctor care will be non-existent. No means of resupply when stockpiles are exhausted.
Guns and lots of ammo will only allow you to make a showing. How long will you be able to "stay the course?".
Will be different for everyone as we all have built-in problems we will have to deal with...
I own remote land with food and water sources. Won't be easy for hordes of marauders to come and take what I have And Willing to protect, but they will eventually do it If they want what I've got, bad enough.
I have fuel, generators, food, water, bartering materials, medicine stockpiles, But how long I can hold-out is not completely within my control.
I'll give a Good accounting of myself due to my situation and location, But I'll likely not last forever....
Scenario like this will include more "situations" than anyone can imagine.
I've prepared a much as possible for "unknown" catastrophes, But positive I don't have the answers to everything that might be faced.
I, as earlier stated, Will give a good accounting of myself, but how long can I hold out?
Answer is not completely within my control.....
In any case, Good Luck To everyone, If this becomes reality
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Those outlying areas will be consumed as well. How long it will take is anyone's guess, But it will happen if a castrophe lasts long enough.
Food, fuel, Medicine and doctor care will be non-existent. No means of resupply when stockpiles are exhausted.
Guns and lots of ammo will only allow you to make a showing. How long will you be able to "stay the course?".
Will be different for everyone as we all have built-in problems we will have to deal with...
I own remote land with food and water sources. Won't be easy for hordes of marauders to come and take what I have And Willing to protect, but they will eventually do it If they want what I've got, bad enough.
I have fuel, generators, food, water, bartering materials, medicine stockpiles, But how long I can hold-out is not completely within my control.
I'll give a Good accounting of myself due to my situation and location, But I'll likely not last forever....
Scenario like this will include more "situations" than anyone can imagine.
I've prepared a much as possible for "unknown" catastrophes, But positive I don't have the answers to everything that might be faced.
I, as earlier stated, Will give a good accounting of myself, but how long can I hold out?
Answer is not completely within my control.....
In any case, Good Luck To everyone, If this becomes reality
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