Bug out to where?

Cal44 said:
This is why I plan to bug-in. I can have what I need here with a little preparation.
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Me too. Too much to move, nowhere to move it, too old to run. I'm here, good, bad or otherwise.
 
Well, I read this and know that FDR was right. All we have to fear, is fear itself. This is the USA, it's not Haiti. We will have earthquakes, we will have hurricanes, and tornados. We will have terrorist attacks, most countries do. We will do as Americans always do, pull together, help others out, and start fixing the problem. All of the grand apocalyptic scenarios are firmly rooted in science fiction. Pull your head out of the TV, stop reading all the doomsday, right-wing fanatic BS, and get a grip on reality. If something happens, I will go and volunteer to help and do what I can. If you're not part of the solution, then what kind of American are you?
 
wbraswell said:
Well, I read this and know that FDR was right. All we have to fear, is fear itself. This is the USA, it's not Haiti. We will have earthquakes, we will have hurricanes, and tornados. We will have terrorist attacks, most countries do. We will do as Americans always do, pull together, help others out, and start fixing the problem. All of the grand apocalyptic scenarios are firmly rooted in science fiction. Pull your head out of the TV, stop reading all the doomsday, right-wing fanatic BS, and get a grip on reality. If something happens, I will go and volunteer to help and do what I can. If you're not part of the solution, then what kind of American are you?
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You seen New Orleans? Parts of that place still ain't recovered. Population a fraction of what it used to be. During the storm the city turned in a third world city. Be Prepared.

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I dont have the set up but I believe having a lot of gas ratholed would be very and most valuable. The whole world would want gas along with ourselves and it should be better than gold! I am not going to, but it would be nice to own a old abandoned ma & pa filling station with the tanks still in the ground. That and a good ATV with extra parts and tires stashed and you could "haunt" a large area, hit and run etc. In this part of the country that I live in there are many trails and after other gas is gone the entire population would be afoot except for a few like minded indiviguals. I would also get some street tires for my RZR and would be good to go most anywhere. The thing will do 75 mph too, nothing stops it.
A dual sport bike is nice too but how much can you carry along with a wife? Hey they make these things in 4 seaters now too. They are getting popular. Unless you are already into these things you cant believe what they can do!

 
You will have to either form or join a "Well Regulated Militia" if you want to survive. Anyone who thinks they can board themselves into a house with a years worth of MREs and an AR-15 is a fool. Anyone who thinks they are Grizzly Adams and can live off the land is too. Humans are social animals we cannot make it on our own. All we can do alone, is slowly starve to death.
 
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It shouldnt be too hard to make a study of how people attempted to survive in the past in war torn countrys. How did the ones that lived do it? I remember a family story or two of my grandparents siblings that stayed in europe and going through both world wars. Heard one relative wrote about picking out the oats out of horse apples!
 
M3Stuart said:
My plan: get in my blower-equipped Javelin AMX, (though parts are getting scarce these days) with my dog, leather duds, sawed off double-barrel 12 gauge (with a half a box of old shells) and hit the highway.

Think I'll change my name to 'Max'. Though I won't be 'mad' at anybody...
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"People still need their heroes Stuart!"

Good choice :)
 
"Get your head out...."

Did you bother to read any of references I inserted in my OP? Also notice the Z word is seldom mentioned or discussed in the following posts. Frankly, I'm impressed with the quality of aforementioned posts. None of us here believe in apocalypse is imminent, but what has been going on here seems to be quite well thought out. War gaming sort to speak.
I certainly won't count on the government being there, nor necessarily will want them to. I'm least concerned about our military. The local guard unit will be mustered and can't see the young citizen soldier firing on civilians (neighbors) unless fired on first.
And Guess What. I proudly served in the Air Force many years ago so don't even suggest that I'm not proud to love my (our) country. BTW, if you took time to actually read all of the posts you'd see that was presented were solutions, not panicked hysteria.
Hobie
 
I can think of three things that would relocate me from my current residence.
1)Fire
2)Tornado
3)Earthquake

None of these would likely affect the entire nation at once. They would be more of a local problem. Relocating might be problematic, but doable.

In the case of most any national emergency I can imagine, my family would be much better off to stay here.
 
My house is 16 miles from the White House.

My bug plan is to sit on the front porch and swat flies until I run out of flys or flyswatters.

Rest of y'all can go on a hike if you fee like it.
I won't be hiking out to look for you, and I don't reckon you'll be coming back for me.

That's just the way it is.
 
We will be taking over a local Sams or Costco. Food,Fuel,Booze,Drugs and great vantage points.
 
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I believe having a lot of gas ratholed would be very and most valuable.
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It would depend on how much gas and how long you intend to store it. Thanks to goverment mandated Ethanol, gasoline starts to break down much faster than it used to. By three months it has lost a good bit of its potency. By about six months it is completely bad.
You can add fuel stabilizer to it and it will stay good for a year or longer. I keep several cans on hand for my generator. I do add stabilizer to it and rotate it out every six months. I also date each can when it gets filled so I know for sure when its time to refill with fresh gas.

But that whole movie scenario of survivors driving around the country for years on gas scrounged from abandoned gas station's in ground tanks is pure BS. (think Walking Dead) Every drop of it will be useless in less than a year.

If you want long term transportation, think Diesel. ;)
 
The OP states a book that is a "novel" and it's being made into a movie by Warner Bros. That tells me a lot, it tells me "fiction" aka,"Fairy Tale".
People have been preparing for the apocalypse, or the rapture for centuries, fools, every one.
 
TEN DEGREES OF SHTF

1. Simple power outage for at least 24 hours.
2. Simple power outage for at least 72 hours.
3. Power outage of at least 72 hours and structural damage to your home.
4. …as above, and add some degree of potentially life-threatening illness or injury
5. …as above, and add loss of employment income, and loss of communications infrastructure.
6. …as above, and add civil disturbance rendering some previously-safe areas now unsafe, no reliable police services
7. …as above, and add inaccessibility to any monetary assets not in your immediate possession.
8. …as above, and add hostiles attempting to do you bodily harm.
9. …as above, and add complete governmental collapse.
10. All-out atomic warfare. You are just on the survival-side of the blast radius. You are exposed to high levels of radioactive fallout.
 
wbraswell said:
The OP states a book that is a "novel" and it's being made into a movie by Warner Bros. That tells me a lot, it tells me "fiction" aka,"Fairy Tale".
People have been preparing for the apocalypse, or the rapture for centuries, fools, every one.
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Honestly, do you bother to read through an entire post?? Nowhere do I say anything about said book being be made into a movie. I did mention the "The Day After" but it was released back in the early 80's long before "One Second After" was written.
I've got an idea! If you have something of real value to contribute to this otherwise civil discussion, please do. Otherwise, please refrain from calling everyone's genuine and well thought out comments as fools.

That's all I have to add lest I rouse the big Gorilla's wrath.:eek:

Hobie;)
 
Storing gasoline is in itself, a problem. Gasoline can't be stored except with stabilizer and then there are no guarantees how long you can store it. Diesel can be stored for years and retain its fuel characteristics. A diesel tractor can withstand an EMP since it had no electronic components.
Diesel PUs all have electronic ignitions unless one has an early one.....
Gasoline storage will prove to be disappointing.....and put people in harms way....,,
Goto plan B.[emoji15]


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wbraswell said:
People have been preparing for the apocalypse, or the rapture for centuries, fools, every one.
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Religion aside, it certainly isn't foolish to prepare for an apocalyptic type event.
My family survived several 1-2 week periods without electricity. That certainly isn't apocalyptic, but it is tough in the country when you are geared to depend on electricity.

I believe that the most likely scenario for massive civil unrest in the big cities is famine, brought about by two or three years of crop failure. Imagine what would happen in these places if food prices doubled and tripled over a couple of years, then became almost unobtainable. We take cheap, plentiful food for granted. Most people don't realize how tenuous our food supply is. A couple of years of failure of basic grains would be devastating. It can happen.
The link below describes a blight that devastated the US corn crop in 1970. Also, google Ug99.
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Another scenario would be some kind of natural disaster on the order of Katrina X 10. A Yellowstone super eruption, or a series of Katrina or Andrew strength hurricanes hitting the Gulf and East Coast.
 
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Hobie, you posted the link, and it says One Second After is being made into a movie by Warner Bros. I have no problem with being prepared for the likely, such as being ready to board up and get out, if you live on the coast, when a hurricane is headed that way. The idea of the collapse of our Government and all it's services, is no more believable, to me, than Zombies. It's just pure science fiction. Like Bigfoot and Aliens.
 
My little holler has plenty of good, clean spring water. There's canned goods in the basement. Lots of game and I have a garden. I don't think EMP will affect my '49 Ford 8N tractor.

We'uns are good for a little while, anyway. :)
 
Living about 20 miles south of Seattle, we ain't got a chance. And having my wife's father with us (alzheimers) we're not going anywhere either.

We'll put up a good fight. Mostly against neighbors, it won't take long for them to prevail. But we'll a lot of them with us. The question will be, which ones want to die trying to steal form us?
 
redlevel said:
Religion aside, it certainly isn't foolish to prepare for an apocalyptic type event.
My family survived several 1-2 week periods without electricity. That certainly isn't apocalyptic, but it is tough in the country when you are geared to depend on electricity.

I believe that the most likely scenario for massive civil unrest in the big cities is fine, brought about by two or three years of crop failure. Imagine what would happen in these places if food prices doubled and tripled over a couple of years, then became almost unobtainable. We take cheap, plentiful food for granted. Most people don't realize how tenuous our food supply is. A couple of years of failure of basic grains would be devastating. It can happen.
The link below describes a blight that devastated the US corn crop in 1970. Also, google Ug99.
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Another scenario would be some kind of natural disaster on the order of Katrina X 10. A Yellowstone super eruption, or a series of Katrina or Andrew strength hurricanes hitting the Gulf and East Coast.
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You make a wrong assumption on food. One bad harvest and we are up a creek without a paddle. That's how close we run these days.
 
That's so true

In a widespread disaster a good portion of the surrounding population are going to do the same thing you want to do. After Hurricane Hugo we weren't taking chances and bugged out from Charleston, SC and as far as Greenville/Spartanburg (almost to western NC) the motels and gas stations were lined up with people and cars. If we had bugged out during Hugo to my sisters in Columbia the dang hurricane went through there too, killing people along the way to West Virginia.

In the past years there have been much worse. I'm afraid to imagine what it was like in Louisiana after Katrina.:eek::eek::eek:

Another note: When something like this happens, any services, emergency or otherwise, that you expect to have just disappear and you are on your own.

Oh, Civil Defense recommended that in nuclear attack, that everyone put 2 feet of earth on their roofs or bug out to neighboring areas where people would let you move into their homes.:rolleyes:
 
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Grayfox said:
But that whole movie scenario of survivors driving around the country for years on gas scrounged from abandoned gas station's in ground tanks is pure BS. (think Walking Dead) Every drop of it will be useless in less than a year.

If you want long term transportation, think Diesel. ;)
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I've used gasoline/oil mix in two cycle trimmers and blowers for the past four months that my dad mixed. He died in February, and he kept meticulous records, using a Casio label maker to date his mix. I'm on the can with the 2008 label, which would be about the time he hired a lawn service.
 
Will Carry said:
You will have to either form or join a "Well Regulated Militia" if you want to survive. Anyone who thinks they can board themselves into a house with a years worth of MREs and an AR-15 is a fool. Anyone who thinks they are Grizzly Adams and can live off the land is too. Humans are social animals we cannot make it on our own. All we can do alone, is slowly starve to death.
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"We must, indeed, all hang together or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin

In 1812 the Brits tried to get their colony back and raised the US Capitol, which the new government abandoned after it was burned down. Yet the revolutionaries still prevailed.

Shawnee Chief Tecumseh sided with the Brits. Tecumseh is quoted (similar to Franklin)..."a twig can be broken, a bundle of twigs is strong..."; Tecumseh had the right idea but chose the wrong side. Moreover weak, feckless, inattentive, indecisive Brit leadership didn't help (sure, they were fighting Napoleon too). We had General Andrew Jackson who was the opposite of weak, feckless, inattentive, or indecisive. Yup, same dead president as on our $20 who decisively won the Battle of New Orleans.

Choose your leaders well, at all times (especially ones who promise more than they can deliver), especially when and if the need arises to establish a counter chaos militia. Sure, Katrina was devastating. Why is it that Holland is below sea level too and regularly tormented by North Sea storms. They did not want to drown either alone or together. So they built dikes and windmill pumping stations (which served a dual purpose as mills). In modern times they built Zuiderzee and Delta Works. They stuck together and worked together for a powerful common cause and solution. What? American Army Corps of Engineers have so much hubris to admit the Dutch have a good idea and just refuse to copy it... hey, can we borrow your blueprints?

It just might be the US dream is walking blissfully into the propeller ...on so many different levels. An EMP is the lesser risk. Speaking of risks; there are physical risks, financial risks among others. Kiss goodbye to a quality of life with further errorsion and devaluation of the U$ dollar. Fellow retirees, say hello to inflation. The Fed's printing presses are a monetary policy EMP.

We are better united than divided. A struggle together for the common cause is made easier with many hands doing the work.
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WEG posted this in his list:
"and add inaccessibility to any monetary assets not in your immediate possession."

If there were widespread power outages, that would happen immediately. No internet, or no computer / smartphone, and everyone who relies on on-line payments is out of luck. Needless to say going into a store with no power and trying to use a credit/debit card will have its issues as well.

If everything is thought to be temporary, a credit card might be accepted, since smaller merchants may still be able to write down card numbers and submit them when things restore, if they trust you.

A good example was NYC during 9/11. The two main switches for electronic banking were in the basements of the towers. It took a while to get what could be switched over actually re-routed. Then there were the ATMs that were emptied in minutes once they would work.
Lesson learned - keep some cash at home.
 
Grayfox said:
It would depend on how much gas and how long you intend to store it. Thanks to goverment mandated Ethanol, gasoline starts to break down much faster than it used to. By three months it has lost a good bit of its potency. By about six months it is completely bad.
You can add fuel stabilizer to it and it will stay good for a year or longer. I keep several cans on hand for my generator. I do add stabilizer to it and rotate it out every six months. I also date each can when it gets filled so I know for sure when its time to refill with fresh gas.

But that whole movie scenario of survivors driving around the country for years on gas scrounged from abandoned gas station's in ground tanks is pure BS. (think Walking Dead) Every drop of it will be useless in less than a year.

If you want long term transportation, think Diesel. ;)
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When or if TSHTF, there is a whole lot of work to do (aside from self preservation). If there are true recovery opportunities; those who can help to that end and the infrastructure to aid in a recovery must both be preserved and protected.

One cannot ignore the total destruction of a 400 fuel truck convoy in a depot staging area in Iraq this past week. People-Places-Things.

Case in point regarding gasoline and aviation fuels in times of emergencies; a fellow like EJ Houdry who was smart enough to develop a process to squeeze more octane out of oil cracking. Prior to WWII, Houdry (a Frenchman) was invited to the US.

It is said that Houdry and his thermal cracking units were a major factor in the winning of World War II by supplying the high-octane gasoline needed by the air forces of Great Britain and the United States for the more efficient higher compression ratio engines of the Spitfire and the Mustang.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_cracking




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Robert Heinlein, Science Fiction author, feared nuclear war and moved to a remote Colorado mountain. Soon thereafter NORAD was built just across the way from him at Cheyenne. He decided not to move after that I would imagine because he decided that no matter how far you are from ground zero in a true EOTWAWKI situation you are still in heaps of trouble.
 
jimmyj said:
I plan on "Holing Up" at the nearest Doughnut Shop !
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jimmyj, Dunkin Donuts gives free coffee to people over 55 . If you're paying for a cup every day, you might want to start getting it for FREE. MUST ask for your discount!

My pre-EMP disaster bucket list is to claim ALL the Senior Discounts available.

Updated list last updated: Fri, May 24, 2013 9:35:45 AM Keep this list - - - and send a copy to your senior friends and relatives.
RESTAURANTS:
Applebee's: 15% off with Golden Apple Card (60+)
Arby's: 10% off ( 55 +)
Ben & Jerry's: 10% off (60+)
Bennigan's: discount varies by location (60+) Bob's Big Boy: discount varies by location (60+)
Boston Market: 10% off (65+)
Burger King: 10% off (60+)
Chick-Fil-A: 10% off or free small drink or coffee ( 55+)
Chili's: 10% off ( 55+)
CiCi's Pizza: 10% off (60+)
Denny's: 10% off, 20% off for AARP members ( 55 +) Dunkin' Donuts: 10% off
or free coffee ( 55+) Einstein's Bagels: 10% off baker's dozen of bagels (60+)
Fuddrucker's: 10% off any senior platter ( 55+) Gatti's Pizza: 10% off (60+)
Golden Corral: 10% off (60+)
Hardee's: $0.33 beverages everyday (65+)
IHOP: 10% off ( 55+)
Jack in the Box: up to 20% off ( 55+)
KFC: free small drink with any meal ( 55+)
Krispy Kreme: 10% off ( 50+)
Long John Silver's: various discounts at locations ( 55+)
McDonald's: discounts on coffee everyday ( 55+)
Mrs. Fields: 10% off at participating locations (60+)
Shoney's: 10% off Sonic: 10% off or free beverage (60+)
Steak 'n Shake: 10% off every Monday & Tuesday ( 50+)
Subway: 10% off (60+)
Sweet Tomatoes: 10% off (62+)
Taco Bell : 5% off; free beverages for seniors (65+)
TCBY: 10% off ( 55+)
Tea Room Cafe: 10% off ( 50+)
Village Inn: 10% off (60+)
Waffle House: 10% off every Monday (60+)
Wendy's: 10% off ( 55 +)
White Castle: 10% off (62+) This is for me ... if I ever see one again.

RETAIL & APPAREL :
Banana Republic: 30% off ( 50 +)
Bealls: 20% off first Tuesday of each month ( 50 +)
Belk's: 15% off first Tuesday of every month ( 55 +) Big Lots: 30% off
Bon-Ton Department Stores: 15% off on senior discount days ( 55 +) C.J.
Banks: 10% off every Wednesday (50+)
Clarks: 10% off (62+)
Dress Barn: 20% off ( 55+)
Goodwill: 10% off one day a week (date varies by location)
Hallmark: 10% off one day a week (date varies by location)
Kmart: 40% off (Wednesdays only) ( 50+)
Kohl's: 15% off (60+)
Modell's Sporting Goods: 30% off
Rite Aid: 10% off on Tuesdays & 10% off prescriptions Ross Stores: 10% off
every Tuesday ( 55+) The Salvation Army Thrift Stores: up to 50% off (55+)
Stein Mart: 20% off red dot/clearance items first Monday of every month (55 +)

GROCERY:
Albertson's: 10% off first Wednesday of each month ( 55 +)
American Discount Stores: 10% off every Monday ( 50 +)
Compare Foods Supermarket: 10% off every Wednesday (60+)
DeCicco Family Markets: 5% off every Wednesday (60+)
Food Lion: 60% off every Monday (60+)
Fry's Supermarket: free Fry's VIP Club Membership & 10% off every Monday ( 55 +)
Great Valu Food Store: 5% off every Tuesday (60+)
Gristedes Supermarket: 10% off every Tuesday (60+)
Harris Teeter: 5% off every Tuesday (60+)
Hy-Vee: 5% off one day a week (date varies by location)
Kroger: 10% off (date varies by location)
Morton Williams Supermarket: 5% off every Tuesday (60+)
The Plant Shed: 10% off every Tuesday ( 50 +)
Publix: 15% off every Wednesday ( 55 +)
Rogers Market place: 5% off every Thursday (60+)
Uncle Guiseppe's Marketplace: 15% off (62+)

TRAVEL :
Airlines:
Alaska Airlines: 50% off (65+)
American Airlines: various discounts for 50% off non-peak periods (Tuesdays-Thursdays) (62+) and up (call before booking for discount)
Southwest Airlines: various discounts for ages 65 and up (call before booking for discount) United Airlines: various discounts for ages 65 and up (call before booking for discount)
U.S.Airways: various discounts for ages 65 and up (call before booking for discount)
Rail:
Amtrak: 15% off (62+)
Bus:
Greyhound: 15% off (62+)
Trailways Transportation System: various discounts for ages 50+
Car Rental:
Alamo Car Rental: up to 25% off for AARP members
Avis: up to 25% off for AARP members
Budget Rental Cars: 40% off; up to 50% off for AARP members ( 50+) Dollar
Rent-A-Car: 10% off ( 50+) Enterprise Rent-A-Car: 5% off for AARP members
Hertz: up to 25% off for AARP members National Rent-A-Car: up to 30% off for AARP members
Overnight Accommodations:
Holiday Inn: 20-40% off depending on location (62+) Best Western: 40% off (55+)
CambriaSuites: 20%-30% off (60+)
Waldorf Astoria - NYC $5,000 off nightly rate for Presidential Suite(55 +)
Clarion Motels: 20%-30% off (60+)
Comfort Inn: 20%-30% off (60+)
Comfort Suites: 20%-30% off (60+)
Econo Lodge: 40% off (60+)
Hampton Inns & Suites: 40% off when booked 72 hours in advance
Hyatt Hotels: 25%-50% off (62+)
InterContinental Hotels Group: various discounts at all hotels (65+)
Mainstay Suites: 10% off with Mature Traveler's Discount (50+); 20%-30% off (60+)
Marriott Hotels: 25% off (62+)
Motel 6: Stay Free Sunday nights (60+)
Myrtle Beach Resort: 30% off ( 55 +)
Quality Inn: 40%-50% off (60+)
Rodeway Inn: 20%-30% off (60+)
Sleep Inn: 40% off (60+)

ACTIVITIES & ENTERTAINMENT :
AMC Theaters: up to 30% off ( 55 +)
Bally Total Fitness: $100 off memberships (62+)
Busch Gardens Tampa, FL: $13 off one-day tickets ( 50 +)
Carmike Cinemas: 35% off (65+)
Cinemark/Century Theaters: up to 35% off
Massage Envy - NYC 20% off all "Happy Endings"(62 +)
U.S. National Parks: $10 lifetime pass; 50% off additional services including camping (62+) Regal Cinemas: 50% off
Ripley's Believe it or Not: @ off one-day ticket ( 55 +)
Sea World, Orlando, FL : $3 off one-day tickets ( 50 +)

CELL PHONE DISCOUNTS :
AT&T: Special Senior Nation 200 Plan $19.99/month (65+)
Jitterbug: $10/month cell phone service ( 50 +)
Verizon Wireless: Verizon Nationwide 65 Plus Plan $29.99/month (65+).

MISCELLANEOUS:
Great Clips: $8 off hair cuts (60+)
Supercuts: $8 off haircuts (60+)

NOW, go out there and claim your discounts - - - - and remember ---- YOU must ASK for your discount ---- no ask, no discount
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