Bug out to where?

[Donn]

This is why I plan to bug-in. I can have what I need here with a little preparation.

Me too. Too much to move, nowhere to move it, too old to run. I'm here, good, bad or otherwise.

 

[wbraswell]

Well, I read this and know that FDR was right. All we have to fear, is fear itself. This is the USA, it's not Haiti. We will have earthquakes, we will have hurricanes, and tornados. We will have terrorist attacks, most countries do. We will do as Americans always do, pull together, help others out, and start fixing the problem. All of the grand apocalyptic scenarios are firmly rooted in science fiction. Pull your head out of the TV, stop reading all the doomsday, right-wing fanatic BS, and get a grip on reality. If something happens, I will go and volunteer to help and do what I can. If you're not part of the solution, then what kind of American are you?

 

[redneckemt]

Well, I read this and know that FDR was right. All we have to fear, is fear itself. This is the USA, it's not Haiti. We will have earthquakes, we will have hurricanes, and tornados. We will have terrorist attacks, most countries do. We will do as Americans always do, pull together, help others out, and start fixing the problem. All of the grand apocalyptic scenarios are firmly rooted in science fiction. Pull your head out of the TV, stop reading all the doomsday, right-wing fanatic BS, and get a grip on reality. If something happens, I will go and volunteer to help and do what I can. If you're not part of the solution, then what kind of American are you?

You seen New Orleans? Parts of that place still ain't recovered. Population a fraction of what it used to be. During the storm the city turned in a third world city. Be Prepared.

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[feralmerril]

I dont have the set up but I believe having a lot of gas ratholed would be very and most valuable. The whole world would want gas along with ourselves and it should be better than gold! I am not going to, but it would be nice to own a old abandoned ma & pa filling station with the tanks still in the ground. That and a good ATV with extra parts and tires stashed and you could "haunt" a large area, hit and run etc. In this part of the country that I live in there are many trails and after other gas is gone the entire population would be afoot except for a few like minded indiviguals. I would also get some street tires for my RZR and would be good to go most anywhere. The thing will do 75 mph too, nothing stops it.
A dual sport bike is nice too but how much can you carry along with a wife? Hey they make these things in 4 seaters now too. They are getting popular. Unless you are already into these things you cant believe what they can do!

 

[Will Carry]

You will have to either form or join a "Well Regulated Militia" if you want to survive. Anyone who thinks they can board themselves into a house with a years worth of MREs and an AR-15 is a fool. Anyone who thinks they are Grizzly Adams and can live off the land is too. Humans are social animals we cannot make it on our own. All we can do alone, is slowly starve to death.

 

[feralmerril]

It shouldnt be too hard to make a study of how people attempted to survive in the past in war torn countrys. How did the ones that lived do it? I remember a family story or two of my grandparents siblings that stayed in europe and going through both world wars. Heard one relative wrote about picking out the oats out of horse apples!

 

[Malpasowildlifer]

My plan: get in my blower-equipped Javelin AMX, (though parts are getting scarce these days) with my dog, leather duds, sawed off double-barrel 12 gauge (with a half a box of old shells) and hit the highway.

Think I'll change my name to 'Max'. Though I won't be 'mad' at anybody...

"People still need their heroes Stuart!"

Good choice

 

[Hobie1]

"Get your head out...."

Did you bother to read any of references I inserted in my OP? Also notice the Z word is seldom mentioned or discussed in the following posts. Frankly, I'm impressed with the quality of aforementioned posts. None of us here believe in apocalypse is imminent, but what has been going on here seems to be quite well thought out. War gaming sort to speak.
I certainly won't count on the government being there, nor necessarily will want them to. I'm least concerned about our military. The local guard unit will be mustered and can't see the young citizen soldier firing on civilians (neighbors) unless fired on first.
And Guess What. I proudly served in the Air Force many years ago so don't even suggest that I'm not proud to love my (our) country. BTW, if you took time to actually read all of the posts you'd see that was presented were solutions, not panicked hysteria.
Hobie

 

[gregintenn]

I can think of three things that would relocate me from my current residence.
1)Fire
2)Tornado
3)Earthquake

None of these would likely affect the entire nation at once. They would be more of a local problem. Relocating might be problematic, but doable.

In the case of most any national emergency I can imagine, my family would be much better off to stay here.

 

[W.E.G.]

My house is 16 miles from the White House.

My bug plan is to sit on the front porch and swat flies until I run out of flys or flyswatters.

Rest of y'all can go on a hike if you fee like it.
I won't be hiking out to look for you, and I don't reckon you'll be coming back for me.

That's just the way it is.

 

[ladyT]

We will be taking over a local Sams or Costco. Food,Fuel,Booze,Drugs and great vantage points.

 

[Grayfox]

I believe having a lot of gas ratholed would be very and most valuable.

It would depend on how much gas and how long you intend to store it. Thanks to goverment mandated Ethanol, gasoline starts to break down much faster than it used to. By three months it has lost a good bit of its potency. By about six months it is completely bad.
You can add fuel stabilizer to it and it will stay good for a year or longer. I keep several cans on hand for my generator. I do add stabilizer to it and rotate it out every six months. I also date each can when it gets filled so I know for sure when its time to refill with fresh gas.

But that whole movie scenario of survivors driving around the country for years on gas scrounged from abandoned gas station's in ground tanks is pure BS. (think Walking Dead) Every drop of it will be useless in less than a year.

If you want long term transportation, think Diesel.

 

[wbraswell]

The OP states a book that is a "novel" and it's being made into a movie by Warner Bros. That tells me a lot, it tells me "fiction" aka,"Fairy Tale".
People have been preparing for the apocalypse, or the rapture for centuries, fools, every one.

 

[W.E.G.]

TEN DEGREES OF SHTF

1. Simple power outage for at least 24 hours.
2. Simple power outage for at least 72 hours.
3. Power outage of at least 72 hours and structural damage to your home.
4. …as above, and add some degree of potentially life-threatening illness or injury
5. …as above, and add loss of employment income, and loss of communications infrastructure.
6. …as above, and add civil disturbance rendering some previously-safe areas now unsafe, no reliable police services
7. …as above, and add inaccessibility to any monetary assets not in your immediate possession.
8. …as above, and add hostiles attempting to do you bodily harm.
9. …as above, and add complete governmental collapse.
10. All-out atomic warfare. You are just on the survival-side of the blast radius. You are exposed to high levels of radioactive fallout.

 

[Hobie1]

The OP states a book that is a "novel" and it's being made into a movie by Warner Bros. That tells me a lot, it tells me "fiction" aka,"Fairy Tale".
People have been preparing for the apocalypse, or the rapture for centuries, fools, every one.

Honestly, do you bother to read through an entire post?? Nowhere do I say anything about said book being be made into a movie. I did mention the "The Day After" but it was released back in the early 80's long before "One Second After" was written.
I've got an idea! If you have something of real value to contribute to this otherwise civil discussion, please do. Otherwise, please refrain from calling everyone's genuine and well thought out comments as fools.

That's all I have to add lest I rouse the big Gorilla's wrath.

Hobie

 

[djr46]

Storing gasoline is in itself, a problem. Gasoline can't be stored except with stabilizer and then there are no guarantees how long you can store it. Diesel can be stored for years and retain its fuel characteristics. A diesel tractor can withstand an EMP since it had no electronic components.
Diesel PUs all have electronic ignitions unless one has an early one.....
Gasoline storage will prove to be disappointing.....and put people in harms way....,,
Goto plan B.[emoji15]


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[redlevel]

People have been preparing for the apocalypse, or the rapture for centuries, fools, every one.

Religion aside, it certainly isn't foolish to prepare for an apocalyptic type event.
My family survived several 1-2 week periods without electricity. That certainly isn't apocalyptic, but it is tough in the country when you are geared to depend on electricity.

I believe that the most likely scenario for massive civil unrest in the big cities is famine, brought about by two or three years of crop failure. Imagine what would happen in these places if food prices doubled and tripled over a couple of years, then became almost unobtainable. We take cheap, plentiful food for granted. Most people don't realize how tenuous our food supply is. A couple of years of failure of basic grains would be devastating. It can happen.
The link below describes a blight that devastated the US corn crop in 1970. Also, google Ug99.
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Another scenario would be some kind of natural disaster on the order of Katrina X 10. A Yellowstone super eruption, or a series of Katrina or Andrew strength hurricanes hitting the Gulf and East Coast.

 

[feralmerril]

You might like this movie:
Deadly Harvest (1977) Full Movie, Starring Clint Walker - YouTube
It was a canadian movie in the 70s starring clint walker.
A deadly harvest.

 

[wbraswell]

Hobie, you posted the link, and it says One Second After is being made into a movie by Warner Bros. I have no problem with being prepared for the likely, such as being ready to board up and get out, if you live on the coast, when a hurricane is headed that way. The idea of the collapse of our Government and all it's services, is no more believable, to me, than Zombies. It's just pure science fiction. Like Bigfoot and Aliens.

 

[Muley Gil]

My little holler has plenty of good, clean spring water. There's canned goods in the basement. Lots of game and I have a garden. I don't think EMP will affect my '49 Ford 8N tractor.

We'uns are good for a little while, anyway.