Buying all the shockwaves i can

In what type of scenario would you be using the shockwave for "defending against a criminal or a whack job on the American street"?

Is there another class of person you anticipate trying to kill you here in Estados Unidos?

The rest is just too tacticool for me to handle. Go with God.


BTW you still haven't posted anything in response to the whole point of this thread.
 
I finally set up my first keeper. talon tape, pic rail and a freaking laser. Devastating to 20 yards accurate with OO, Slug, even bird. Set up with laser its a def keeper for home defense. Girlfriend soon to be wife will get the green laser type but set up the same way. Ill use the opsol attachment for minishels for her she 110lbs soaking wet red head LOL.
 
Is there another class of person you anticipate trying to kill you here in Estados Unidos?

The rest is just too tacticool for me to handle. Go with God.


BTW you still haven't posted anything in response to the whole point of this thread.

"Defending against a criminal or a whack job on the American street" implies to me you're referencing defense scenarios occurring while out and about in public and I can't imagine why you would be armed with a pistol grip shotgun in such scenarios.

Tacticool? A lot of folks will throw out that term to dismiss something they don't understand and I suspect that's the case with you. If anything, the label "tacticool" fits the shockwave like a glove.
 
"Defending against a criminal or a whack job on the American street" implies to me you're referencing defense scenarios occurring while out and about in public and I can't imagine why you would be armed with a pistol grip shotgun in such scenarios.

Tacticool? A lot of folks will throw out that term to dismiss something they don't understand and I suspect that's the case with you. If anything, the label "tacticool" fits the shockwave like a glove.

Not sure I agree, I think in order to fit the bill the person handling he weapon needs to be wearing tactical socks, tactical skivvies, and 5.11 clothes. Blacked out face, and atc vest.......

The above is sarcasm BTW
 
I bought a Mossy Cruiser 500 which came with the hand grip and a full stock. The hand grip was okay but it IMO wasn't for accuracy. It wasn't made to hold up at eye level to shoot. It is a waist held shooter IMO.

I don't see a run on this gun even if it gets banned, but who knows what people will do. Making a hand grip out of a block of wood wouldn't be that hard to make either. I tried the hand grip on mine for a little while but then it went back in the box.
From what I read years ago the anti gunners wanted all pump shotguns banned but it didn't happen.
 

Same kind of laser setup? I love lasers, but really want one to be instant on/off with a grip, like CTC Lasergrips. When I saw the AOW Serbu Super Shortys, the first thing I thought was that was an app that cried out for a laser. Seems to me they'd be a lot harder to aim from eye level than a Shockwave.




"Defending against a criminal or a whack job on the American street" implies to me you're referencing defense scenarios occurring while out and about in public and I can't imagine why you would be armed with a pistol grip shotgun in such scenarios.

Tacticool? A lot of folks will throw out that term to dismiss something they don't understand and I suspect that's the case with you. If anything, the label "tacticool" fits the shockwave like a glove.

You again? I thought I told you to go with God.

Okay, just for you, the textbook definition of tacticool is somebody who says things like this:

"I've spent too many years hashing things out in Force-on-Force and analyzing civilian self-defense encounters to believe that some type of movement isn't beneficial in nearly every type of defense encounter(whether it's vs a gun, blade, club, fists). Shooting while in movement is incorporated in every trip to the range and I'm confidant in my skills in that area."

And this:

"The degree of movement necessary varies and I never referenced any particular type, but movement is nonetheless often a key component is such instances since at least one party will try to maneuver around the vehicle to get a better shot. There are plenty of videos to verify what typically occurs. And it's not all about gunfights. Scenarios involving unarmed assailants or those armed with contact weapons occurring at extreme close-quarters must be considered. With a handgun, I have a free hand to utilize in ECQ encounters and better retention compared with a two handed weapon. Creating separation is often the best response and is much easier to do with a handgun.

And yes, I have spent a lot of time training to be able to put rounds on target while GOTX or more accurately, while exploding off the X although that degree of movement isn't always what's necessary."

Now maybe you should start your own tacticool discussion and leave this poor man's thread alone.
 
I think it is a toy, too.

This is a toy.
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There's no such thing as a 12-gauge toy.
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Are y'all still fussing about the Shockwave?

Just yesterday me and Coondog jumped out of the tuck for a short explore in the woods and tossed the Shockwave on my shoulder. I haven't got a sling for it but I think I'll get one. That'll give me a project next week to noodle on.

I suppose it makes for entertaining discussion, but agonizing over an endless list of 'what if' scenarios and high-speed low-drag maneuvers isn't necessary for me to appreciate the compactness of the Shockwave allowing it to be easily stowed in the truck for any need that might arise versus my Winchester holding down the safe at home.

Cheers
 
I'm just curious here about a legal point-

If a smoothbore handgun is classed as "Any Other Weapon" and a short barrel shotgun is classed as AOW, how did Mossberg or whoever get ATF to class this as just a firearm??
 
Here's the letter of inspection and classification by the ATF.
http://www.mossberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Shockwave-Letter-from-ATF-3-2-17.pdf

Here's the shorthand version.

To be classified as a shotgun it had to be designed to be fired from the shoulder. With the Bird's Head grip originally installed by the manufacture it isn't classified a shotgun.

It can't be classified as a short barreled shotgun because it isn't a shotgun to begin with.

The overall length is greater than 26in. Over 26in inches is considered not concealable on the person. So it isn't an AOW.

So.... it simply does not fall within their definitions and is not a firearm regulated by the NFA.

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I'm just curious here about a legal point-

If a smoothbore handgun is classed as "Any Other Weapon" and a short barrel shotgun is classed as AOW, how did Mossberg or whoever get ATF to class this as just a firearm??

Here's the letter of inspection and classification by the ATF.
http://www.mossberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Shockwave-Letter-from-ATF-3-2-17.pdf

Here's the shorthand version.

To be classified as a shotgun it had to be designed to be fired from the shoulder. With the Bird's Head grip originally installed by the manufacture it isn't classified a shotgun.

It can't be classified as a short barreled shotgun because it isn't a shotgun to begin with.

The overall length is greater than 26in. Over 26in inches is considered not concealable on the person. So it isn't an AOW.

So.... it simply does not fall within their definitions and is not a firearm regulated by the NFA.

Yeah, I had read the letter. (got some help with tha big words :D)

I sell a lot of guns, but I don't do a lot of 4473s since I'm usually transferring to an FFL or C&R. I had a shop in the 90s and did a lot of 4473s. Back then, I had to choose either handgun or long gun on the 4473. My confusion here stemmed from my memory of that fact. This gun did not fit either category.
In examining a current 4473, I see that they have added "Other Firearm" to the type of firearm section.
See the pics.
 

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Same kind of laser setup? I love lasers, but really want one to be instant on/off with a grip, like CTC Lasergrips. When I saw the AOW Serbu Super Shortys, the first thing I thought was that was an app that cried out for a laser. Seems to me they'd be a lot harder to aim from eye level than a Shockwave.






You again? I thought I told you to go with God.

yes exactly the same. I haven't seen the CTC laser grips I may look at them to set up the mrs shotty. I also may go to the green laser in the truglo, it shows up better in daylight and I most the PCC shooters are using them on the range. You have a link to the ctc? I still don't know what laser is the best. With this shockwave set up the laser is AMAZEBALLS! Keeps the shotty low and controllable. I also have to buy some minishells and see how they run. My mrs is a tiny thing and I want her to be able to use this shotty with confidence.


I think the number one way to rid boards of keyboard warriors is to challenge hot heads to a USPSA/IPSC or Steel challenge to see who shoots best.......

That being said I am open to these challenges at Ben Avery or Cowtown any Wednesday or Thursday. That is in PHOENIX ARIZONA, LOL

It seems these days if you read on the net or watched the you tube you suddenly become a tactical specialist........or a tacticool wet dream lol.
 
This Shockwave is not a new technical break through. Guys that
have messed with guns their whole life have shot similar guns.
There just isn't much practical use for it other than a stake out
weapon for cops or home defense. More to the power to the guy
who wants one. I don't know about sporting uses, state laws
may not allow it for game animals. I file it with guns like the
Tech-9. I had a Hi Standard m10 with built in lite, gun was a
auto 12 with a crude metal butt plate bolted right on the
reciever. It was vicious kicker and had no practical use. I think
if a company came out with a 20g single shot that was balanced
as well as a handgun, with screw in chokes they would have a
winner. Not a convention single fitted with pistol grip and short
barrel. Would be a useful camp/ hiker/ boat gun. Having shot
similar guns, the 20 is biggest practical and a lot better than 410
 
Duly noted . . .

This Shockwave is not a new technical break through. Guys that
have messed with guns their whole life have shot similar guns.
There just isn't much practical use for it other than a stake out
weapon for cops or home defense. More to the power to the guy
who wants one. I don't know about sporting uses, state laws
may not allow it for game animals. I file it with guns like the
Tech-9. I had a Hi Standard m10 with built in lite, gun was a
auto 12 with a crude metal butt plate bolted right on the
reciever. It was vicious kicker and had no practical use. I think
if a company came out with a 20g single shot that was balanced
as well as a handgun, with screw in chokes they would have a
winner. Not a convention single fitted with pistol grip and short
barrel. Would be a useful camp/ hiker/ boat gun. Having shot
similar guns, the 20 is biggest practical and a lot better than 410
 
Haven't shot a Shockwave, have you?

No haven't shot Shockwave have shot Rem stakeout and many
other shotguns that were whacked. The Rem worked,shot ok
and recoil was as expected. So what? Have no use for one. I
don't hate them, I just don't care to own one. It's clumsy and
heavy, what can I say. Oh yea, over priced.
 
The other is the new Pedersoli "Howdah" .45/,410, defined as a handgun because of its rifled barrels, so it is not a short barreled shotgun, and capable of firing .45 Colt cartridges or .410 shotgun shells. An old fashioned, newly resurrected, former hunting weapon from the days of the Raj and just really cool. Way more cool than the Shockwave. :rolleyes: :D



Way more expensive than the Shockwave.


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