Buying an M&P9c, not excited.

[motorcyclejoe]

Another lefty

I'm feeling the same way. I've been having trouble making up my mind between the 9c and Shield. Last weekend I convinced myself the 9c was the way to go - thumb safety, 12 rounds, reliable, takes all my 17 round mags, maybe has a decent trigger, same as my FS M&P 9 - but hopefully easier to conceal. I somewhat unenthusiastically order the 9c on Gallery of Guns last Saturday. Then over the weekend I started thinking - maybe the Shield would have been a better choice - so on Sunday I order a 9mm Shield. Will be picking both of them up this weekend at Quantico Tactical. Taken together I'm starting to get a little more excited...

 

[Deadshot]

I assume a lot of guys on here collect guns as a hobby and/or enjoy shooting. I realize it's a tool, but if you're not a little bit excited about dropping 500 bucks on something you do for recreation or even if it is for 'defense', then why do you do it? We buy new tools for our construction business on occasion and I get excited about them.

Totally agree. No use in dropping cash on something if you're not going to at least enjoy it or get good use out of it.

 

[Deadshot]

As an owner of 3 Glock's, I can agree with that statement. Although I think there's a certain "beauty" in the utility design of a Glock.

Also a Glock fan here It's ok to like multi weapon companies. I happen to love both Glock and S&W. I honestly think the majority of people who hate on Glock have never actually shot one. Once you put one in your hands and spend some time with it and actually fire it, you don't know what you're missing. Thousands of law enforcement agencies throughout state, county, and federal use them for a reason. They're well made, proven dependable, lots of accessories available, and they function flawlessly.

 

[Mountain Walker]

I am former owner of a M&P Compact and found the same lack of enthusiasm. Both the XD Sub Compact and the Sig P239 are more inspirational.

 

[Rastoff]

How are Glocks different from 1911 in the controls department? Left side push button release, left side slide release! I run both the same way. Trigger finger for the mag release and slingshot the slide. Same as Sigs P series actually or any 3rd gen S&W.

Do you own a 1911 or a Sig? Here, let me explain:

This is a Glock slide stop: (don't have a Glock right now so, got this pic off the internet)

It is small and flat. Specifically designed that way by Glock to keep it from snagging on clothing. It is also further back towards the rear. This was also intentional so the operator could easily reach it with his right thumb.

Remember, this is a slide stop. It's main function is to hold the slide back. So, being able to manually lock the slide back is vital to pistol manipulation.


Here is a Sig P220: (don't own one of these either so, pic from web)

Notice the position of the decocker and slide stop. The decocker is in a similar position to the Glock slide stop. Very difficult to reach for a lefty. Then look at the slide stop. This is so far back that it is almost impossible for a lefty to manipulate. Yes, both of these can be manipulated by a lefty, they're just seriously not lefty friendly.


This is a 1911 slide stop:

It is further forward toward the muzzle. This makes it easier to manipulate with the trigger finger. It is also much larger. Still won't snag on clothing, but can be easily pressed up with the trigger finger.

This is an H&K USP 9mm Compact:

Notice how large the slide stop is. This one is super easy to manipulate for a left or right hander. It's both forward and large enough for the lefty and still far enough rearward so a righty can manipulate it without changing their grip. The shape is such that it won't get caught on clothing. The decocker on this gun is part of the thumb safety so, it's easy to manipulate as long as it's on the correct side. In this case, this is a V2 so, the control lever is on the right side of the gun which is what a lefty needs.

Does putting in an Apex trigger really void the warranty?

Absolutely not. A quick glance at the warranty shows that any damage caused by an after market part will void the warranty. Since the Apex upgrade is just drop in parts, there is no damage associated with it. Therefore, it won't void the warranty.

Just read the warranty. It's all very simple and clear in there.

 

[Sinkhole30]

I guess my real problem is I have a desire for a CZ 85 Combat.

 

[RobzGuns]

I guess my real problem is I have a desire for a CZ 85 Combat.

Have you had a chance to shoot a CZ85 at all?

The question for me now-a-days, is "How does xxx feel to shoot?". When I was in the market for a Compact (besides by 1989 Gen2 G19), I looked at the M&P Compact, the SRc and the XDMc. While the M&Pc felt great to 'fondle' at the counter, when I shot (rented/borrowed/tried) the three, the M&Pc fell to the bottom of the short list, due to the factory trigger. The one that felt the best and 'excited' me the most (and needed no trigger mods), was the XDMc.

When I was in the market for a Subcompact, I was sure I'd love the XD-S (because of how much I liked my XDMc) and sure I'd hate the Shield (because of how miserable the M&Pc trigger was). Once again, I tried each and I'm glad I did. For me, the Shield's factory trigger felt GREAT and felt a LOT nicer to shoot than the XD-S. So I say... Don't go by how well a pistol feels while fondling it at the counter. If at all possible, find a way to TRY one before buying.

As others have written, if you're not even a little excited about something you're going to spend several Hundred dollars on, why get it?

 

[Arik]

Do you own a 1911 or a Sig? Here, let me explain:

This is a Glock slide stop: (don't have a Glock right now so, got this pic off the internet)

It is small and flat. Specifically designed that way by Glock to keep it from snagging on clothing. It is also further back towards the rear. This was also intentional so the operator could easily reach it with his right thumb.

Remember, this is a slide stop. It's main function is to hold the slide back. So, being able to manually lock the slide back is vital to pistol manipulation.


Here is a Sig P220: (don't own one of these either so, pic from web)

Notice the position of the decocker and slide stop. The decocker is in a similar position to the Glock slide stop. Very difficult to reach for a lefty. Then look at the slide stop. This is so far back that it is almost impossible for a lefty to manipulate. Yes, both of these can be manipulated by a lefty, they're just seriously not lefty friendly.


This is a 1911 slide stop:

It is further forward toward the muzzle. This makes it easier to manipulate with the trigger finger. It is also much larger. Still won't snag on clothing, but can be easily pressed up with the trigger finger.

This is an H&K USP 9mm Compact:

Notice how large the slide stop is. This one is super easy to manipulate for a left or right hander. It's both forward and large enough for the lefty and still far enough rearward so a righty can manipulate it without changing their grip. The shape is such that it won't get caught on clothing. The decocker on this gun is part of the thumb safety so, it's easy to manipulate as long as it's on the correct side. In this case, this is a V2 so, the control lever is on the right side of the gun which is what a lefty needs.



Absolutely not. A quick glance at the warranty shows that any damage caused by an after market part will void the warranty. Since the Apex upgrade is just drop in parts, there is no damage associated with it. Therefore, it won't void the warranty.

Just read the warranty. It's all very simple and clear in there.

Yes I own all of those. Springfield 1911, 4 Glocks ...one of which has been my daily carry forever, 2 Sigs, P220 & 228, 3 HKs, 2 S&W 3rd gens.

Maybe I'm missing something but I use all of them the same way. Middle finger for mags release (trigger finger for HK) and slingshot the slide.

Visual inspections aren't done in SD situations. For visual inspection at the gun store I can easily use my right hand to hold the gun and lock the slide back.

 

[N4KVE]

I'm feeling the same way. I've been having trouble making up my mind between the 9c and Shield. Last weekend I convinced myself the 9c was the way to go - thumb safety, 12 rounds, reliable, takes all my 17 round mags, maybe has a decent trigger, same as my FS M&P 9 - but hopefully easier to conceal. I somewhat unenthusiastically order the 9c on Gallery of Guns last Saturday. Then over the weekend I started thinking - maybe the Shield would have been a better choice - so on Sunday I order a 9mm Shield. Will be picking both of them up this weekend at Quantico Tactical. Taken together I'm starting to get a little more excited...

And now Quantico Tactical will be sending a form directly to the ATF that you purchased multiple handguns. This is why everyone I know does not purchase 2 handguns at the same time. Of course I'm sure you're a law abiding citizen, but most of us don't want to be under the mocroscope. Enjoy your new guns. GARY

 

[BigCityChief]

And now Quantico Tactical will be sending a form directly to the ATF that you purchased multiple handguns. This is why everyone I know does not purchase 2 handguns at the same time. Of course I'm sure you're a law abiding citizen, but most of us don't want to be under the mocroscope. Enjoy your new guns. GARY

I buy multiple handguns all the time. I just pick them up one at a time - separate 4473's.


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[krieger]

My two favorite types of guns are the ones I have and the one I don't have

 

[redwood0_7]

I bought a new hammer the other day and felt the same way you do. But it really does a great job driving nails. LOL. I used to get excited about a new gun but realized they are just tools. I carry a 9c every day. Love it.

 

[Rastoff]

Maybe I'm missing something but I use all of them the same way. Middle finger for mags release (trigger finger for HK) and slingshot the slide.

How do you decock the Sigs? Again, it can be done, but not lefty friendly.

Visual inspections aren't done in SD situations. For visual inspection at the gun store I can easily use my right hand to hold the gun and lock the slide back.

Do you really think that a "visual inspection at the gun store" is the only reason to lock the slide back? How do you deal with Type III malfunctions? Of course you won't do a visual inspection during a self-defense situation, but there are several other reasons the slide might need to be locked back.

Regardless, these guns are not lefty friendly. Like I said before, they can be manipulated by lefties, they're just designed for right hand shooters.

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not bashing these guns at all. They are great guns and have a good reputation. I'm sure they are all very reliable. They're just not lefty friendly.

 

[pfir]

This forum is about guns, but the OP's post was about guns and . . . feelings. Can us macho gun type guys talk about feelings? A lack of excitement might be related to your mood today, or maybe you're depressed, for some obvious or less than obvious reason. Maybe you've owned several guns and reached a point where a new one is just not exciting, and you won't know for sure until you buy your NEXT gun, and do or don't get excited. Doesn't mean it won't be fun to shoot and useful to carry.

 

[BigBlueSix]

I have one. I've grown to dislike it. I'm not accurate with it. It's not especially comfortable to carry. I can't sell it for anything like what I've got into it. YMMV, but I bought in a fervor and immediately regretted it. I advise to sit back and take a bit to "have a think" about it, unless that is if the money is relatively meaningless for you. I personally don't know what that would be like.