Can sombody help me justify casting?

It is not cost effective to cast your own unless you want something that just ins't easily available on the open market. I think the last bullets I cast myself were for a .442 Webley. I had to have the mold made.

It certainly is cost effective if you get the alloy for free. I went over costs, pretty straight forward. Even if it took me 2hr per 1000, call it $80 for 200gr/45, that's $40/hr net, about $65/hr gross, all for a $130 investment in gear. Certainly worth it for most of us with free or cheap alloy.
 
I don't cast, but from what I've read there are some other things to consider:

Do you have a suitable location? Melting lead gives off toxic fumes. You must either do it outside or have a hood. My dad knew a guy who poisoned himself and died who was casting in his basement.

Waste disposal. I think the waste is considered hazardous, you can't just put it in the trash.

Like I said, I don't cast, so I don't know how hard it is to solve them.

Casting bullets from clean alloy gives off no lead fumes. Your dad's friend didn't die from casting in a basement, unless he set himself on fire. You should do it in a ventilated space though, fluxing the alloy could be an issue, depends on the flux. I cast in my garage, flux with a wooden stick, just wood smoke coming off the pot. I do wear a particle mask to not breath the wood smoke though. There also isn't much waste using clean alloy. There is a small amount of dross, but put it in a paint can when you take those to hm.
Now smelting scrap into ingots, totally diff issue because of the crud on most scrap lead. If you scrounge from a range, the lead is pretty clean, no oils, grease or tapes that can give off ugly fumes. Clean alloy though, no issues. Lead doesn't vaporize at casting temps of 650-750deg.
 
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I'd get more satisfaction.....

There's also a lot of satisfaction in killing a deer with a bullet that you made.

I'd get more satisfaction missing a deer with a bullet that I made.:D


I ain't gonna hunt no mo, no mo.

Unless I'm really hungry.

To stay on thread, I'd like to try casting, but the really good reasons people are giving here just don't apply to me. I can buy tons of bullets from casters fairly cheap.
 
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I like casting, when I get two 6 cavity molds going I can cast about 1k every two hours. With 240gr. swc's, commercial hard cast gets expensive.

I have quiet a bit of Linotype saved up, and pure lead is easy to find cheaply, so I'm not too concerned about lead wheel weights becoming unavailable.

I like being my own producer, not relying on someone else's quality control or availability. When I need it I make it.

I can tune my hardness and diameter at will, and experiment with a whole other aspect of load customization.
 
You know that sense of satisfaction you have when admiring and shooting your hand loaded ammunition? The stuff you tailored precisely for *your* firearm? The stuff that turns your firearm into a laser beam?

It's exponentially better when it's made with bullets you've painstakingly handcrafted to your own exacting standards.

I've watched too many cowboy movies. Casting lead bullets and loading ammunition connects me to the past.

When cast bullets can be had as cheaply as they can today, it's difficult to justify casting your own bullets from a financial perspective. Luckily, it isn't about money.
 
Can sombody help me justify casting?

My answer is No. :D

From your self description you sound like someone that would probably get into / enjoy casting.. And that is fine and good enough reason to do it..
But IMHO if you shoot alot, it takes too much time and you don't save that much money. And if you shoot a little, it takes too much time and you don't save any money. :eek: :D

There are many good quality bullet mfg. out there for very reasonable prices. Just my opinion ,, that and a buck and a half might get you ca cup of coffee,, :)
 
Casting bullets

I have a bunch of molds, and a good supply of lead stockpiled. Last winter I spent several weeks casting bullets for various calibers, running thru abt 600 lbs of lead. I cast bullets that I cannot buy. "Bread and butter" bullets like normal weight SWC's,RN etc. that I shoot for recreation and practice, I buy. There are a bunch of commercial bullet casters out there who make good bullets. For me anymore, it depends on what the end use is going to be. I am loading 44 magnums today for the upcoming deer season. The bullet is my own cast bullet to the hardness I want, with a big hollowpoint / GC, I have taken several deer with bullet over 20. gr of 2400 and am getting ready to do so again.
 
I know many that load shot shells, it saves about $1.50 a box of 25 vs cheap field loads. Even if you shoot 1000 a month, you aren't saving a lot. Still people do it as a hobby & to tailor their ammo. Bullets are much the same. Casting allows me to have what ever I want, when I want & at well over 50% savings vs buying comm. you can work 4hrs & buy bullets or spends two hours & make bullets. I dont like my job that much. Casting workable bullets for my 6.8, worth the cost of the mold for sure.
 
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I know many that load shot shells, it saves about $1.50 a box of 25 vs cheap field loads.
Still people do it as a hobby & to tailor their ammo. Bullets are much the same. Casting allows me to have what ever I want, when I want & at well over 50% savings vs buying comm. you can work 4hrs & buy bullets or spends two hours & make bullets. I do t like my job that much. Casting workable bullets for my 6.8, worth the cost of the mold for sure.

fredj, I agree..
I reload handgun and rifle ammo to save money and to tailor my rounds to type shooting I am doing. ( personally I don't understand why everyone does reload )

I have cast bullets in the past. Personally I thought it rather time consuming and at the volume of bullets I was going thru ,I didn't have the high speed equipment to keep up with my needs.

Now I purchase bullets from folks like SNS Casting,, Missouri bullet,, Xtreme,, Delta Precision, Sierra,, Hornady ,, and others.

I have the equipment to reload shot shells. But I can not reload them as cheap as I can buy them when they are on sale around here. ( A few months ago, a flat of 12 ga. ( 250 )was selling for about the same price as a brick ( 500) of .22 LR , :eek: )

Nothing wrong with casting,, reloading,, etc.. If you enjoy it, and if you can save some money that's even better..
Each one can be a interesting hobby,, by itself.
 
I just enjoy doing it. It's my hobby.
I find satisfaction in the process and knowing that I am in complete control of my bullet supply and availability.
Way too many times I have gone into local shop and found nothing on the shelf. Way too many times trying to order on line I get the "out of stock " message. I don't want or need that.
Gary
 
Gee it is shame old Skip is no longer on the forum.

"I can cast what I want when I want" or something like that.:)

It's only viable if you have access to FREE lead. Plus factor in the pay back period of molds, heaters, sizers etc etc. Maybe if you shoot one caliber.

No wheel weights here in Fl they are a Haz Mat item.

No I am not mining the berm, the Heat index TODAY is over 100F!!!!!!

For $40 someone can make 500 of them and deliver them to my door.
 
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I like to have flexibility in my ammunition. Store bought factory ammo doesn't let me load whatever caliber and whatever load I'm in the mood for. Lead ingots, powder, brass and primers let me make whatever I want whenever I want at a price that is equal to or less than 22LR at the present time (5 cents a round for centerfire cartridges no matter what the pistol caliber and 6-11 cents per round for rifle cartridges).

By far, the bullet is the most expensive part of reloading once you already have the brass. Typically you spend 10-50 cents per round for commercial bullets. If you can get lead at $2/pound, you can make 500 115 grain bullets for $16.50 or 500 230 grain bullets for $32.86. That's half the typical cost of commercial lead bullets plus you can taylor your bullet size to eliminate all leading in your barrel which you cannot do with commercial cast bullets. Plated or FMJ bullets would cost even more.

When I get a new caliber gun, I typically spend about $40 for a new 6 cavity mold which means the mold pays for itself after about the first 1000 bullets. I've shot about thirty thousand 40 S&W bullets in the past 4 years which cost me about $1730.
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In lead, I spent $660. If they were commercial cast bullets at $0.08 each it would have been $2400. For FMJ at $0.25 each, it would have been $7500. There's no way I could have afforded an extra $6000+ for bullets in this hobby and that's not counting all the other calibers I've been able to shoot.

The difference in cost between a 115g lead 9mm bullet and a 230g 45ACP bullet is just in the lead. So a $0.03 9mm bullet ($2/lb lead) would cost 6 cents for the 45ACP bullet. The primer would cost the same and the powder might cost 1 penny versus 8/10th of a cent if you went from 4 grains to 5. 45ACP typically costs a lot more than $2 extra for a box of 50 vs 9mm but if you cast and reload, that's the difference. If you use a 200g or 175g 45 ACP bullet, the cost is even lower.

As for lead, right now you can get "scrap" lead very easily for closer to $1/pound if you look at the reloading ads on most gun boards. For handgun target practice, you can use the typical "range pickup ingots" and not worry about harness, adding tin or anything else. Salvaged boat keel lead is a little more sketchy because you don't know what garbage is in that and the seller typically gets it for free.

There is a learning curve for casting just as there was for loading, but the good thing is any failures simply go back into the pot and you are out nothing more than a few seconds of your time. Even mess ups in loading like shaved bullets, crooked seated bullets or pulled bullets that get mangled simply go back into the pot to be remelted. You have no qualms about making test cartridges or test seating a number of bullets to see if they chamber because no matter what happens to the bullet, they can always go back into the pot for the next casting session.

Casting opened up a lot of doors to new aspects of shooting for me including muzzleloading,
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subsonic rifle shooting, trying out all sorts of rifle bullets
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and casting/loading/shooting slugs in shotguns.

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I just enjoy doing it. It's my hobby.
I find satisfaction in the process and knowing that I am in complete control of my bullet supply and availability.
Way too many times I have gone into local shop and found nothing on the shelf. Way too many times trying to order on line I get the "out of stock " message. I don't want or need that.
Gary

If I could make a reliable primer I would. Being able to shoot regardless of a bullet supply is comforting. In the weird political environment we are in, having options is a good way to go.
I can cast for all my handguns, some of my rifles. With powder coating, useful rifle ammo can be made for cheap. I can scrounge lead & powder from shotgun gauges I don't use to load into pistol rds in a real pinch. Ha gotta have primers though.
 
Rule3 nailed the key factor to casting, having access to lead is what will determine your savings.

Very true but doesn't have to be free, just cheap. Free is always better, but even $1/#, 1000 200gr/45 only cost about $30 & less than 2hrs of your time. You do have to enjoy it though or the savings isn't worth it.
 
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