Can sombody help me justify casting?

Hello. I started casting about 15 years ago, but haven't for the past 9 years due to accident injuries. When I was casting, it was almost exclusively for handguns. When I resume this spring, it will be exclusively for handguns.

I would cast the following: 124 gr 9mm truncated cone, 150 gr 38 wadcutter, 158 gr 38 round nose, 160 gr 38 semi wadcutter, a 210 gr 41 flat nose, and a 200 gr 45 H&G 68 SWC. I used salvaged wheel weights ... I have about 300 pounds that I bought from a local junk yard. I would cold quench what I cast.

Using my 38 wadcutter load as an example, 50 rounds using a powderpuff load of WW231, and 150 gr wadcutters, a finished box would cost me about 60 cents in material, plus my time. At that time, about 9 years ago, I saved about $8 a box, and these loads performed well out of my K38 at 20, 25, and 50 yards.

When I shot PPC with my other K38, I used a 160 gr round nose, and my material cost was about 63 cents a box. Performance wise, on the 25 yard PPC course, I was shooting a 98% average.

I found comparable performance and savings when I cast and loaded 41 and 45 bullets. I loaded the 41s more like 41 Specials as opposed to Magnums. The only time I used gas checks was when I loaded 357 Magnums.

The benefit that I kept in mind, was that I could shoot affordably when bullets got expensive. Additionally, I was/am able to trade bullets with local shooters needing bullets in exchange for either wheel weights, cash, or other items that I could use. As we have seen with the surge in prices and shortages, I have had the capability of still being able to load and shoot accurate ammo without paying exorbitant prices.
 
Shortly after that, at a Houston Gun Show I found a four cavity Lyman 429421 with handles for $35, and off I went.

Used to go to the houston gunshow at the astrodome, what a great show!!! It would take 2 days to try to see the whole show and you could still miss 1/2 of what was there. Last time I was at a houston show was 2010, what a shame. Walked it twice in a 1/2 a day.

Anyway, thank you for bringing up the houston show, brings back fond memories.

After reading this thread ,it seems the the leading reason to cast/not cast is a source for lead. I get my lead for free, it's nothing more than range lead/hill pickings/berm bullets. But I will also buy lead from the local scrap yards. Around my little neck of the woods they will sell it to me for $.35 a lb.

A by-product of the ranges is scrap brass, and by-products from smelting bullets is copper. I'll go to the scrap yard with the brass/copper and get this.



And then turn the $$$$ into this, $230# of ww, ingots, babbit bars, soldier, pure lead.



The prices of scrap were down this year but I still managed to get 230# of lead and a 12 pack of beer. The price varies from year to year but it's always there and I use the extra $$$ to buy molds, reloading equipment/supplies.



Why look at recycling yards for lead right now??? Not only is the price of scrap down and your a cash paying customer. The last US recycler/smelter closed so now all the scrap lead they get sells for less (shipping to mexico).
 
Many scrap yards won't buy or sell lead alloys or things like copper if lead is intact. Berm mining is still a viable option, assuming where you shoot allows this, many do not. So it's always about availability of alloy for efficient, cost effective alloy.
 
Ok, let me start off by saying I "get" making your own stuff is cool. I've built my own boats, fishing rods, carved plugs, poured my own rubber worms and still tie near every fly I fish. Admittedly it's all fun but none of it has realized the savings projected when I started. ( Most paid me back about 67 cents and hour too:-))
That said, several years ago, I helped out a friend who needed cash and had a box of casting gear and lead that he never touched. Included was 100# of lead ingots, an electric melting pot, some lube and a Lyman sizer. I'm now looking at this stuff and thinking I should put it to use and make some pistol bullets in .38, 9mm and or 45acp.
However, the more I look at getting started the more expensive it gets to get out of the gate. I still need molds and handles, sizing dies, handles, hardness testers..... Not to mention that replacing that lead in a lead free wheel weight world is likely going to run $2lb. ( That's $18-$28/500 heads for most handgun calibers by my math. i.e already at 60%+ the cost of commercial cast delivered to m door. )
So, I get I'll donate my time in the name of fun, but I'm still having trouble figuring out how a $400 investment + high lead costs are going to save me money. Is it that much fun? Am I overlooking something?
Talk me into it. (p.s.Liers welcome :-)

Hi Dave,
Guess the old days are most definitely gone. When I was an Apprentice and riding to work every day on my bicycle, I actually saved a heap of money on Bus fares. I needed to, When I started work after High School my weekly wage was $16.00.
I used to cast all my own bullets and I never purchased more than 100 rounds with a new gun, whatever it was.
In the case of my 458 Winchester Mag (Made by Interarms of Manchester England) I could only afford to buy 20 rounds.
I reloaded very early on because I just couldn't afford to buy pre-cast bullets or assembled ammo.
As time went on I became more affluent and purchased a new SLR 308 Match. That baby used to eat the ammo, great fun though and accurate as s**t ! (excuse the pun).
So I guess it's what you have time for and what you feel like doing. Reloading is a great pass time and it Does save money, however with the wife and kids taking up most of my time now I guess I'll go to the store and buy some pre-cast bullets....
It did get into my blood though, I have an electric furnace and enjoy casting all sorts of metals. I made a platinum ring for my wife 2 years ago and she wears it all the time.
Anyway Sir I'm new on the forum and you are my first 'Quote'.
Nice talking and happy casting if you decide to do it !
CIAO
 
Ok, let me start off by saying I "get" making your own stuff is cool. I've built my own boats, fishing rods, carved plugs, poured my own rubber worms and still tie near every fly I fish. Admittedly it's all fun but none of it has realized the savings projected when I started. ( Most paid me back about 67 cents and hour too:-))
That said, several years ago, I helped out a friend who needed cash and had a box of casting gear and lead that he never touched. Included was 100# of lead ingots, an electric melting pot, some lube and a Lyman sizer. I'm now looking at this stuff and thinking I should put it to use and make some pistol bullets in .38, 9mm and or 45acp.
However, the more I look at getting started the more expensive it gets to get out of the gate. I still need molds and handles, sizing dies, handles, hardness testers..... Not to mention that replacing that lead in a lead free wheel weight world is likely going to run $2lb. ( That's $18-$28/500 heads for most handgun calibers by my math. i.e already at 60%+ the cost of commercial cast delivered to m door. )
So, I get I'll donate my time in the name of fun, but I'm still having trouble figuring out how a $400 investment + high lead costs are going to save me money. Is it that much fun? Am I overlooking something?
Talk me into it. (p.s.Liers welcome :-)

Hi Dave,
Guess the old days are most definitely gone. When I was an Apprentice and riding to work every day on my bicycle, I actually saved a heap of money on Bus fares. I needed to, When I started work after High School my weekly wage was $16.00.
I used to cast all my own bullets and I never purchased more than 100 rounds with a new gun, whatever it was.
In the case of my 458 Winchester Mag (Made by Interarms of Manchester England) I could only afford to buy 20 rounds.
I reloaded very early on because I just couldn't afford to buy pre-cast bullets or assembled ammo.
As time went on I became more affluent and purchased a new SLR 308 Match. That baby used to eat the ammo, great fun though and accurate as s**t ! (excuse the pun).
So I guess it's what you have time for and what you feel like doing. Reloading is a great pass time and it Does save money, however with the wife and kids taking up most of my time now I guess I'll go to the store and buy some pre-cast bullets....
It did get into my blood though, I have an electric furnace and enjoy casting all sorts of metals. I made a platinum ring for my wife 2 years ago and she wears it all the time.
Anyway Sir I'm new on the forum and you are my first 'Quote'.
Nice talking and happy casting if you decide to do it !
CIAO
 
I wouldn't have gotten into lead bullet casting if it were not for the long term cost savings. I shoot almost exclusively on my own property and have been using a 30 gallon barrel filled with rubber mulch as a bullet stop for handgun shooting. So far lead recovery is almost 100%, and considering when friends and family shoot handgun into it, my lead reserves are technically growing. If I decide to buy cast bullets on a good deal, that means even more lead to my reserves.

Certainly, the work and time are not free, and are a cost onto themselves. Electricity and gas to melt scrap and ingots for casting, the raw beeswax and slabs of Alox 350 I bought to make my own 50.50 lube, and all the amortization means there are certainly some costs to casting bullets. However, I decided to get into casting early and hard so i can spread that amotorization over hopefully decades, and my lead supply is essentially free now that I never have to buy scrap from anyone to keep a permanent supply, so when I can claim I shoot 38 Special target loads for $0.05 a round, 44 Magnum light loads for $0.09, and shoot my favoruite old Mauser rifles for $0.12-.15, I can do so honestly. This year I plan on killing my deer with my cast rifle bullet, and I can practice a lot more for the same cost.

Its like a business, or any DIY to save money, if you are careless about it, it will be an expensive mess that will cost you, but if you take it seriously and take care of every detail that is within your power to save cash, it may very well pay off.
 
Funny how hazard makes things happen!I know the original post is 1 year old but since somebody revived it......Not later than this morning,I was at the range and a good friend of mine to whom I had sold a 1875 Rem.45Colt replica asked me about casting his slugs for reloading.I looked at his storebought box of ammo and understood right away:$28.75/20rds.When you include Canada and Quebec provincial tax ripoff,that's $1.32/a round!After the range shut down,I told my friend how he can save money if he casts his slugs for plinking fun.Told him that anybody can cast good slugs with a small investment and knowhow.Long story short,he's gonna dive into it!Loaned him one of my 10#Lee pot and Lyman 2cav.mould and he'll get starting!
Just hope he doesn't hate me for giving him the bug!!!
Qc
 
My wheel weights are not free but my local tire guy sells them to me for .20 per pound for all lead no zinc . I buy some bullets but can't always find what I want so I cast most of my own. I usually by a few boxes in different weights of something I have not loaded before so I can decide what weight I want my new mold to be.

Eddie
 
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Am I overlooking something?

The weight loss associated with lead exposure.

Your biggest concern about lead is not in handling it, but ingesting it or inhaling it. Making your own lead bullets is perfectly safe IF DONE ACCORDING to published standards and procedures. Ignore those standards or get cavalier about them and you could have problems.
 
Some people like cooking Cakes, pies, bread, Steaks, BBQ..

l like cooking L E A D ! ! !
 
Google "California Prop 63"

Not tinfoil hat stuff... this is the real deal... we actually already have a state law signed & will take effect in '18.

Reloaders aren't under the radar anymore, either...

As for casting, my buddy & I have just recently started & it's fun. Lots of safety items to be aware of though. Do your reading.
 
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