Cannot recommend M&P pistols right now

[Bkreutz]

I wish I could cry about people crying as well as you. I paid a premium price for a pistol and I think I should be able to purchase what I consider essential accessories in a reasonable timeframe. We are simply recommending people not to purchase a new M&P unless you think the magic dust the M&P uses to fire is worth not having more than 2 mags, seeing as how you can purchase nearly any other pistol and get all the mags you need. Do I have a right to complain online and warn others from falling into the same trap of purchasing a product without knowing the manufacturer would be unable to support said product? I think yes. It is also ok if you think reloading every 34 rounds is not an annoyance, for me it is a major one and S&W isn't the only name in town.

Would you purchase a cordless tool set from a company that only gives you 1 battery and doesn't allow you to purchase any additional batteries, requiring you to recharge and take a break every hour or two?

What are you used to buying if you consider a M&P a "premium priced" pistol. I think it's at the low end of the cost spectrum.

 

[sherpderp]

What are you used to buying if you consider a M&P a "premium priced" pistol. I think it's at the low end of the cost spectrum.

Seeing as how I could have bought a blue label glock for $425, I think I did pay a "premium price" for my M&P. You can build a good quality AR for $700. So to me, $500 for a polymer pistol is a good chunk of change to drop, but apparently because the M&P doesn't cost as much as a Sig/H&K (which are "premium priced"), I shouldn't expect to be able to buy any magazines.

 

[Nitrous SSC]

Premium price is Nighthawk or Wilson Combat. M&P's are like the mustangs of the gun world. Not the Ferrari's. Why in the hell would you compare an M&P pistol to an AR15? That's like comparing a Jet Ski to a Monster truck. Nothing similar at all.

Besides, regardless of how many mags you have, to shoot it you have to load it. Whats the big deal? Are you doing John Woo style range visits. Mag dump, change, mag dump, change, ect...

 

[Badquaker]

Every customer has the right to complain about percieved poor service. The rest of us have the right to disagree if we choose to. Personally, I have never had the luxury of completing a range trip without ever needing to reload at least once. Usually I like to take a small respite between extended volleys. Maybe I should go pick up 20-30 mags and see what the excitement is about. Maybe not.

 

[perrazi]

I refuse to feel sorry for those who are late to the game, then whine about non availability or cost. anyone that didn't get the message after the current presidents first term had his head in the sand.

 

[lhump1961]

I have been following this thread and have a question. Does anyone really think that Smith isn't trying to make mags available? I can guarantee that they aren't sitting in the board room saying, "We could make a bundle on mags but I think I'll have another donut instead...the bean counters and shareholders won't mind."

As a company they are in it to make money and would not turn a blind eye to such things. It is very simple...demand is exceeding supply.

"Nothing to see here folks...move along."

 

[sherpderp]

This is not a thread to debate how many mags someone needs or what constitutes premium pricing...

Some of the posts for this thread seem to have strayed from the intent (or at least my understanding of it) of the orginal post. S&W has done a poor job suppoprting their products by not adequately providing magazines for an extended period of time. S&W has done an even poorer job providing it's customer base with information about when, if ever, this situation might be addressed.

As a company they are in it to make money and would not turn a blind eye to such things. It is very simple...demand is exceeding supply.

This is not a very simple matter of demand exceeding supply. There is no supply. S&W seems to have reserved their entire supply of magazines for bundling with guns, and it has been this way for the past 9 months. This is not the case with pretty much every other major manufacturer. Further, we have gotten no communication from S&W on this extended shortage except for them removing the mags from their store. I guess the M&P must be outselling every other pistol by such an incredible margin that they need every mag for kits. People considering the purchase of a new M&P should know about the near complete unavailability of replacement magazines. The bottom line is, S&W has done a poor job of supporting their products in comparison to other manufacturers; whether you think this reflects poorly on them is up to you to decide.

 

[Damocles]

This is not the case with pretty much every other major manufacturer.

Are you sure about that? Go out, buy a Taurus 709. Then try to find magazines for it. You might change your view on S&W. Sasquatch sightings are more plentiful. The M&P series right now is very popular and selling quite well. Any associated accessories are likewise going to sell equally well.

 

[Rastoff]

There is no supply. S&W seems to have reserved their entire supply of magazines for bundling with guns, and it has been this way for the past 9 months.

This is a complete fabrication. Do you have any actual proof that S&W is holding back mags? Or is this just a tirade because you can't find any?

If what you say is true, there would be no mags available. That's not the case or the gougers wouldn't have them either. I myself have bought mags within the last nine months. They are just scarce due to the run on mags, guns and ammo.

I'm told that S&W mags are made by Mec Gar. Anyone call them?

 

[Rastoff]

I wish I could cry about people crying as well as you. I paid a premium price for a pistol and I think I should be able to purchase what I consider essential accessories in a reasonable timeframe. We are simply recommending people not to purchase a new M&P unless you think the magic dust the M&P uses to fire is worth not having more than 2 mags, seeing as how you can purchase nearly any other pistol and get all the mags you need. Do I have a right to complain online and warn others from falling into the same trap of purchasing a product without knowing the manufacturer would be unable to support said product (especially now that the panic is practically gone)? I think yes.

It is also ok if you think reloading every 34 rounds is not an annoyance, for me it is a major one and S&W isn't the only name in town. Would you purchase a cordless tool set from a company that only gives you 1 battery and doesn't allow you to purchase any additional batteries, requiring you to recharge and take a break every hour or two? Maybe if they were the only company making cordless tools. I guess silly peons like myself just want to be able to use the products we paid a lot of money for.

So, you can't use your gun with only one mag? Mine works with just one. I've even gone to the range with only one mag and the gun still worked. It didn't take me an hour to refill it either.

Hmmm, I must have got that one M&P that actually works.

 

[bulldogman]

Found this on the Mec Gar website, they make magazines for S&W.

"Thank you for your interest in Mec-Gar magazines. Due to the increased demand in magazines with capacities over 10-rounds we are currently out of all inventory. We will be not be taking direct consumer orders online or over the phone. All sales will be directed toward the many distributors of our products. Thank you for your understanding."

 

[handejector]

Found this on the Mec Gar website, they make magazines for S&W.

"Thank you for your interest in Mec-Gar magazines. Due to the increased demand in magazines with capacities over 10-rounds we are currently out of all inventory. We will be not be taking direct consumer orders online or over the phone. All sales will be directed toward the many distributors of our products. Thank you for your understanding."

Thanks for posting that.

Do you suppose it is true, or are they just sitting on them to be mean?

 

[sherpderp]

Thanks for posting that.

Do you suppose it is true, or are they just sitting on them to be mean?

Lol. Yea guys, S&W and Mec-Gar are just holding back all the mags, that's what we've been claiming all along.

By the way, it took me less than 5 seconds per on google to find an in stock Mec-Gar manufactured 9mm hicap magazine for all their other clients. Like I've said, I guess either the M&P just drastically outsells every other gun manufacturer or there is simply no supply available, both cases just show poor planning on their part.

CZ 75: Mec-Gar Mag CZ 75 9mm Luger 16-Round Steel Blue

Beretta 92FS: Mec-Gar Beretta 92FS 9mm 18rd Magazine

Springfield XD: Springfield XD Fullsize 9mm 18rd Blue Anti-Friction Mag New Mec-Gar

Taurus 92/99: http://www.cdnninvestments.com/ta929mm15oem.html

Ruger: 44MAG.com - Mec-Gar - Ruger P85 P89 P95 9mm 17rd Magazine Mec-Gar Blued

Sig P226: Mec-Gar Optimum Mag Base Pad Sig Sauer P226 9mm Luger 18-Round Steel

Browning HP: FN Mag Browning Hi-Power 9mm Luger 13-Round Steel Blue

 

[NorthCountry]

This is not a very simple matter of demand exceeding supply. There is no supply. S&W seems to have reserved their entire supply of magazines for bundling with guns, and it has been this way for the past 9 months.

So, are you advocating that S&W should release their stock of these mags that are being reserved for the new Shields that are coming off the manufacturing line? That way you and other whiners that want extra mags RIGHT NOW, and can't wait like everyone else, can have YOUR mags, RIGHT NOW. In the meantime, some folks may have to wait even longer to get a new Shield because the reserved stock for mags is depleted, and S&W can't sell a new gun off the line, without a mag for it. Maybe the demand for Shields is pretty high right now, so the need for mags is a bit higher than 'normal', ya think? My LGS guy has a new Shield right now I am thinking about getting, so yea even I am thinking about getting a new one. Keep in mind that gun companies like Ruger are up to 2 years behind on some guns/orders, as of the beginning of this summer. Yep, some folks feel it's all about 'me' (them). Just sayin'.

 

[sherpderp]

So, are you advocating that S&W should release their stock of these mags that are being reserved for the new Shields that are coming off the manufacturing line? That way you and other whiners that want extra mags RIGHT NOW, and can't wait like everyone else, can have YOUR mags, RIGHT NOW. In the meantime, some folks may have to wait even longer to get a new Shield because the reserved stock for mags is depleted, and S&W can't sell a new gun off the line, without a mag for it. Maybe the demand for Shields is pretty high right now, so the need for mags is a bit higher than 'normal', ya think? My LGS guy has a new Shield right now I am thinking about getting, so yea even I am thinking about getting a new one. Keep in mind that gun companies like Ruger are up to 2 years behind on some guns/orders, as of the beginning of this summer. Yep, some folks feel it's all about 'me' (them). Just sayin'.

Lol, no, I am not saying that. I am saying, S&W seems to be the only company that has to reserve all of their mags to be bundled with new guns. Hence, our complaints of their poor planning and ability to support existing customers. Have you read this thread at all? By the way, what does the shield selling like crazy have to do with M&P9 FS mags? Almost every M&P line has no mags available.

 

[bulldogman]

Come on be realistic, do you really think it's poor planning on S&W part when we have an event like Sandy Hook and the anti-gunners popping up out of the woodwork sparking demand for guns, mags etc.. I'm sure Mec Gar alocates how many mags a manufacturer can order right now and I would venture to say S&W is outselling most of if not all of the guns on your list.

 

[Chuck Jones]

M&P mags do indeed seem to be very scarce right now. As do the 5 inch guns.

/c

 

[sherpderp]

Come on be realistic, do you really think it's poor planning on S&W part when we have an event like Sandy Hook and the anti-gunners popping up out of the woodwork sparking demand for guns, mags etc.. I'm sure Mec Gar alocates how many mags a manufacturer can order right now and I would venture to say S&W is outselling most of if not all of the guns on your list.

I bet Glock is outselling the M&P line... yet anyone has been able to find glock mags for months. So much for the panic. Everyone arguing here seems to think one of three things: that there is no M&P magazine shortage compared to other major pistol manufacturers, that you shouldn't need more than 2 magazines anyways, or that we're idiots for not buying our M&P and loading up on magazines 3 years ago.

 

[Nitrous SSC]

What pisses me off is my local gun classifieds there are 5000000 Glock mags and guns listed, yet people praise that weapon like no tomorrow. There is a reason M&P's and their mags are hard to find.

They are the shiznit!!

 

[handejector]

Like I've said, I guess either the M&P just drastically outsells every other gun manufacturer or there is simply no supply available, both cases just show poor planning on their part.

I think in a year or two we will learn that the M&P autos are the success story of this century.

Poor planning?
Not exactly.
It works like this- a manufacturer is no more clairvoyant than you or me. (Note that YOU failed to forsee the shortage YOU would encounter when you bought your gun ).
So, they're bringing out a new gun. They ordered mags for it. I'm sure they ordered a bunch, but they had to use common sense. They could not tie MILLION$ up in mags till they could see how the guns sold. Even if they had the spare cash and were willing to gamble, where would they put them?
The guns sold like hotcakes. They ordered MORE mags. The guns sold faster when word of mouth started getting around. They ordered MORE-MORE mags.
Meanwhile, we had the election and the massacre, and the largest run on guns in our history has occurred.
The net effect is that Mec-Gar probably has the largest backorder for magazines they've ever had. There may literally be millions of magazines AHEAD of orders for the S&W mags.
I can assure you that Mec-Gar wants to make mags.
I can assure you that S&W wants to get those mags and sell them.
It is just a question of time for MG to get orders filled ahead of S&W's and get around to them.
Of course, if you call Mec-Gar, and tell them your concerns, they might drop the Beretta order and jump to it for ya.
Let us know what they say, please.