Carnival Cruise vs One Minute After

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WOW, I am flabbergasted how quickly some of the people on the Carnival Cruise ship turned to barbarians or helpless bystanders. It proves the concept written by William R. Forstchen in his book One Second After. The book is about what happens when an EMP takes out all the electronics in the US. If you haven't read it I highly recommend it!
I can hardly believe how helpless people get when faced with a minor emergency. OK if you are below deck on the cruise ship with no light, it is cause for alarm, but going so far as to panic and start hoarding food. Come on people, panicking because your cell phone can't be charged; get a grip.
I think this real life incident has proven to me that being more prepared for emergencies needs to be on a higher priority for me. You need to protect your family from the "panicked ones." Stupid stuff like not leaving your go-to vehicle with no gas, replacing the electronic lock with a combination lock on your safe, stockpiling needed drugs, having water filtration capability, extra propane for the grill- that sort of thing.
A question for you: would you hire someone or let them date your daughter if they were on that ship and you knew he panicked???
Comments and suggestions for preparations welcome.
Stonecove
 
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I don't think about stuff like that, it didn't happen to me. However I do think some of them behaved rather childish and selfish. Most of them praised the crew and their efforts.
 
WOW, I am flabbergasted how quickly some of the people on the Carnival Cruise ship turned to barbarians or helpless bystanders. It proves the concept written by William R. Forstchen in his book One Second After. The book is about what happens when an EMP takes out all the electronics in the US. If you haven't read it I highly recommend it!
I can hardly believe how helpless people get when faced with a minor emergency. OK if you are below deck on the cruise ship with no light, it is cause for alarm, but going so far as to panic and start hoarding food. Come on people, panicking because your cell phone can't be charged; get a grip.
I think this real life incident has proven to me that being more prepared for emergencies needs to be on a higher priority for me. You need to protect your family from the "panicked ones." Stupid stuff like not leaving your go-to vehicle with no gas, replacing the electronic lock with a combination lock on your safe, stockpiling needed drugs, having water filtration capability, extra propane for the grill- that sort of thing.
A question for you: would you hire someone or let them date your daughter if they were on that ship and you knew he panicked???Comments and suggestions for preparations welcome.
Stonecove

Depends....I believe if you have never been put in a situation like that, you dont fully know how you will react. If the person learned from the situation on how to deal with it and perpare for it, then yes.
Now, knowing how to perpare for a situation where you are at your home and the world goes bottom up, that should be a given. All men should be able to provide, protect and comfort their family in any way, shape, or form when any situation comes up.
 
One Second After is indeed a good, thought-provoking read... but it did not turn me into a doomsday prepper.
 
If you are in a situation where you have no control of anything-food, power, water, direction- you may as well panic. There isn't a whole lot else to do. I'll bet the TV stopped working also.

As to hiring, I probably wouldn't let them run my cruiser. As to letting them date my daughter, that never was a choice that I made, or wanted to.
 
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Side question to this: the OP mentioned stockpiling needed medications. This is OK if you're talking about Advil. But, short of "doctor shopping" and insurance fraud, how would one stockpile prescription medication? I know even for my high blood pressure meds, the pharmacy will only sell it to me periodically. If I filled a script today and then tried to get more next week, I'm pretty sure the wouldn't give me more.
 
short of "doctor shopping" and insurance fraud, how would one stockpile prescription medication?

Talk to your doctor and tell him why you want the extras. He can write extra prescriptions if he agrees with the need. And, don't expect your medical insurance to pay for the extras - thats not what medical insurance is for.
 
Who turned into barbarians? Everything I read say some folks were ticked but I have not read about rampant bad behavior.
 
Gentlemen,
What happened on the cruise liner is not an isolated incident. Being retired Navy, I saw more than my fair share of troubled cruise liners. Sent over fire parties to assist with fires, assist with dewatering etc, etc, etc...

Would I panic? No, not really a reason to panic. I have been on many ships without propulsion, salt water pumps or generators. Usually not all at once, and not forever.

That is why I will never get on a commercial ship. They don't perform the PMS (preventative maintenance). It is not "a money maker" to strip down pumps etc... like we do in the Navy. Having never been on a cruise ship, I don't know if they use salt water for flushing and fire fighting. If they do, there was more of a problem than a clogged sh*tter.

I don't think I would want my daughter dating a young man that was so dumb as to panic in the carnival cruise situation. Of course I would wonder what a young man was doing on a cruise in the first place. Kind of gets a "D" in the judgement block, IMHO. If he wants to cruise around the ocean, I would tell him to join the Navy. At least he could learn from it, and not panic when the coffee pot is empty.

Just kind of a dumb set of circumstances, but no need to panic.
I am sure others will argue my opinion, but IMHO, if it's still floating, you are fine.
 
One of the offspring recently showed me the bug-out bag that she has put together with the help of an ex-marine who works where she does. He has advised the folks at the workplace on how to create an emergency bag to keep handy in case of natural disasters/ upheaval. She will add to it as she can afford it.

I'm proud of her. She isn't afraid; she's prepared--just like the smart person who keep jumper cables, roadside flares, and a first aid kit in his car.
 
No fresh water for showers, food sux, boat stinks, main propulsion down, generator isn't generating, don't know when you will be getting back. Sounds like most of the cruises I went on while in the surface Navy.

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I fully expect

Side question to this: the OP mentioned stockpiling needed medications. This is OK if you're talking about Advil. But, short of "doctor shopping" and insurance fraud, how would one stockpile prescription medication? I know even for my high blood pressure meds, the pharmacy will only sell it to me periodically. If I filled a script today and then tried to get more next week, I'm pretty sure the wouldn't give me more.

I fully expect that in a serious crisis insulin prices will be much more exorbitant than they even are now ($90/10 ml) and may be impossible to get at any price, especially if people are on the move. I don't think pharmaceutical companies would hesitate to put the squeeze on millions of people to give them an excuse to jack prices up. In fact, I think that has already been done as a demonstration of just how dependent we are on them.
 
I remember watching something with my wife play out in real life one day, certainly not in the order of the book, which I read, and the cruise liner. I was feeding my son about three years ago while my wife was shopping and all of a sudden employees started filing out of the deli at the grocery store we were at, and then they started running past. Well, I kind of knew something was wrong so I packed him up as fast as I could and then the fire alarms went off and over the loudspeaker I heard someone who really was trying not to screw up the message ordered everyone to evacuate. As I got towards the front I found my wife. Well, have you ever seen a grocery store trying to empty all at once? Chaos. I looked over and at the second exit, there was no one, not one person so I told the wife head for that one. We were at our car before anyone really got outside the other entrance. There were no employees trying to calm people down, they were all outside first. I told the wife that if there had been a really big fire (only a small one in the deli) or someone yelled or panicked, that would have been a stampede. The assistance chief for the fire department works with me and when I told him he was a little ticked off himself that the employees bailed on the customers, but that so few places have employees that even know what to do in the case of an emergency most people would be left to themselves. That's why I have told the wife if there is a fire alarm to get outside and I will do the same, more people have died looking for relatives and loved ones that already made it.
People by nature either pull it together or panic. Look at all the examples though of what people are becoming in this world where morals have gone out the window. A city offers 1,000 low income vouchers for housing, 5,000 people show up and it turns into a riot. A store offers a midnight sale on $400 shoes, so many people arrive it turns into a mob and the cops have to restore order. Look at Black Friday sales where people try to kill one another over cheap electronics and big screen TV's.
As far as for being prepared, I don't think anyone will be prepared when the SHTF. I think it is more a matter of when now then if, because we have nothing to compare it to. You had Katrina, the LA Riots and Sandy, but in the end those people knew someone was coming. What happens when there is no one coming? How many people will be able to cope? Personally I think the big cities will turn into death traps and those that do get out will be like locusts on the neighboring communities and so on and so forth they will descend on first the suburbs and then other communities. Make no mistake, people will die and for those out there that think it will be a picnic and they are going to rebuild the society, they are fooling themselves. It will be a daily struggle for survival and to keep others from stealing from you. I have had several chats with my nephew because as I have told him that buying guns and ammo will not keep you fed if there is nothing to hunt. You need food, water, medicine, and THEN a way to protect it. You also need shelter and heat which will be just as desirable to some when the weather gets cold.
I actually have tried to watch Doomsday Preppers and from what I have seen is the people they find are so far to one extreme or the other they make it look comical, which I think is the intention. One family I saw have food, water, heat and a community of like minded neighbors, but not a single gun amongst them because they don't like guns or believe in owning them. When asked one goof actually said he would invite who ever would come by to take their stuff to a nice meal and show them what friendship could do. What? Well, someone would have a nice meal, and someone would be going hungry. I actually saw a story the other day where some woman, who looked to be educated until she started talking, said that hunting should be banned and everyone forced to buy their food from the supermarket.
Getting back to the topic, people react according to what they are used to. I have seen people completely freeze up, even in my line of work I have seen people get all sorts of training and then vapor lock when the real deal happens. No one is going to know what they will do until it all goes wrong. This cruise was just the latest example of our society imploding. I think a lot maybe overblown, but still some people cannot handle the situation at hand.
 
I fully expect that in a serious crisis insulin prices will be much more exorbitant than they even are now ($90/10 ml) and may be impossible to get at any price, especially if people are on the move. I don't think pharmaceutical companies would hesitate to put the squeeze on millions of people to give them an excuse to jack prices up. In fact, I think that has already been done as a demonstration of just how dependent we are on them.

Insulin- the main reason my wife and I can't be log-term doomsday preppers. Can't really stockpile something that has a short life and must be refrigerated. Of course we could track down unarmed diabetics....
 
Who turned into barbarians? Everything I read say some folks were ticked but I have not read about rampant bad behavior.
Early reports included:"Seeing urine and feces sloshing in the halls, sleeping on the floor, nothing to eat, people fighting over food, $500? What's the emotional cost? You can't put money on that," Porte said.
This is from the Chicago Tribune: Cruise ship stranded - Chicago Tribune
I'd call that barbarian behavior!
Stonecove
 
Early reports included:"Seeing urine and feces sloshing in the halls, sleeping on the floor, nothing to eat, people fighting over food, $500? What's the emotional cost? You can't put money on that."

Yep, nothing like wallowing around in your own poop to shake your day up...much less wallowing around in the poop of a few hundred other people.

Reminds me....gotta go shovel out the stalls today.
 
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