mrwildroot
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Kennesaw, GA.
Many years ago they passed a town ordinance that every home should have at least one firearm, and a box of ammo for said firearm. Crime rate for that town is still virtually non-existant.
MW
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Kennesaw, GA.
Many years ago they passed a town ordinance that every home should have at least one firearm, and a box of ammo for said firearm. Crime rate for that town is still virtually non-existant.
MW
In defense of the Gentleman from Colorado, everyone must make their own decision to shoot or not. He has made his. As have I.
Sorry for the inadvertent thread hi-jack. Perhaps we could continue the debate in the 2A forum?
Sorry for the inadvertent thread hi-jack. Perhaps we could continue the debate in the 2A forum?
Exactly. If you're in the house, you have to assume that. Why would you even think about the TV, or anything else?
Unfortunately, this is what makes this no-knock search stuff such a danger to those of us who want nothing more than to quietly spend the evening at home, and to be left alone.
When I finally get to sit down in the evening, there is always a pistol within reach. The thought of the ninja arriving at the "wrong door," dressed in black from head to toe, faces covered like common bandits, with battering ram - and MP5s! - is unsettling. The USSC should not be encouraging this nonsense.
"Oh, we're sorry." (If you're left alive to hear it.
)Sorry for drifting off topic a bit.
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I'm not saying I wouldnt shoot someone who I thought was a threat to me or my family, but If I caught someone leaving my house with something that could be replaced I woudnt shoot him. I just dont think its worth all the hassel it would bring if I did. Believe me if I thought that person was going to hurt me or my family they would be history.
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In a crime free society you could go without having to get a license but we don't live that way. I believe everyone should have to have a license to carry, go through at least an eight our coarse as we do in Kentucky and go to the shooting range to show you know how to handle a gun. The reason I'm for having a license is they do a background check on you before they issue the license therefore if you do get pulled over the officer doesn't have to do one then to see if your allowed to have one. Can you imagine how long you would be in custody if the officer had to do a background check on you onsite rather than having a license and he/she just sending you on your way?
flop-shank
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Then ammend the Constitution. There is a process to do so.
Alaska, Vermont and I think Montana require no license to carry whatsoever. The only requirement being that the carrier is lawfully able to own firearms and isn't committing a crime. I haven't heard of those states having any problems of note.
flagman1776
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I had to pass a series of psych tests before I was sworn & authorized for firearms. Regretfully my authorization was on my warrant which I gave up when I had to resign for medical reasons after 9+ years.
I just want to relate an incident that happened to me about a year in. Myself & my partner were supervising a beach front bar at closing. We stayed outside until most had left. There was a big guy who was not leaving, holding a bottle (potential weapon). I knew I was going to have to confront him & indicated for my partner to watch my back, in case he had friends.
I approached him & at about 2 paces, I told him he had to leave. He had the bottle in a weapon hold by the neck. He was a little bigger & probably stronger & I had to keep my right forearm over my M19 loaded with full house 357s. We locked eyes for a few seconds... it seemed longer. In those few seconds... I cleared my mind that if we went to the floor, I would shoot & in all probability kill him. A flash of recognition crossed his face. He tossed the bottle in the trash & left. He hadn't actually done anything chargeable... yet.
The imprint of the target stocks was deeply impressed in my arm & the occasion in my mind.
I had not recognized the subject since he had completely changed his appearance since our first meeting... the subject was a wife beater & sometime druggie, kicked out of the Army during the height of Vietnam for the good of the service, had done hard time for attempted murder... subsequentally went on the run for several years for another serious assault charge... long enough for the critical witness to die in an auto wreck. I saw him several more times in official capacity but I never had another problem with this man...
It is all well & good that you should, in fact must, think about this ahead of time. But it is different when you face the dragon for the first time. Despite my preparation, there was a few seconds when I was not mentally prepared. Once I resolved it in my mind, the opportunty was lost... and he knew it.
I just want to relate an incident that happened to me about a year in. Myself & my partner were supervising a beach front bar at closing. We stayed outside until most had left. There was a big guy who was not leaving, holding a bottle (potential weapon). I knew I was going to have to confront him & indicated for my partner to watch my back, in case he had friends.
I approached him & at about 2 paces, I told him he had to leave. He had the bottle in a weapon hold by the neck. He was a little bigger & probably stronger & I had to keep my right forearm over my M19 loaded with full house 357s. We locked eyes for a few seconds... it seemed longer. In those few seconds... I cleared my mind that if we went to the floor, I would shoot & in all probability kill him. A flash of recognition crossed his face. He tossed the bottle in the trash & left. He hadn't actually done anything chargeable... yet.
The imprint of the target stocks was deeply impressed in my arm & the occasion in my mind.
I had not recognized the subject since he had completely changed his appearance since our first meeting... the subject was a wife beater & sometime druggie, kicked out of the Army during the height of Vietnam for the good of the service, had done hard time for attempted murder... subsequentally went on the run for several years for another serious assault charge... long enough for the critical witness to die in an auto wreck. I saw him several more times in official capacity but I never had another problem with this man...
It is all well & good that you should, in fact must, think about this ahead of time. But it is different when you face the dragon for the first time. Despite my preparation, there was a few seconds when I was not mentally prepared. Once I resolved it in my mind, the opportunty was lost... and he knew it.
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If we are going to require training, and background checks, we should set a few priorities. Let's start with child bearing, I feel you should be required to be trained in this area, and approved by LE after the background check is done.
Voting : same process, but much more training and testing.
Ect-
Ect.
I see no difference in these rights, and we all have seen the results from untrained people being allowed their rights.
Tom B
If we are going to require training, and background checks, we should set a few priorities. Let's start with child bearing, I feel you should be required to be trained in this area, and approved by LE after the background check is done.
Voting : same process, but much more training and testing.
Ect-
Ect.
I see no difference in these rights, and we all have seen the results from untrained people being allowed their rights.
Tom B
Hang on a minute. I grew up in Kentucky and carried a gun long before Kentucky passed concealed carry laws. As per the KY Constitution, I carried openly and the only hassle I ever had was from northern tourists who did not know open carry is legal in KY.
I also carried a loaded gun in the glovebox of my car, which is legal in KY without a license. The only comment from a trooper at a roadblock was "just leave the gun in the box when you get your registration out."
38-44HD45
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I've been a Texas Qualified CHL Instructor since 1995. I've certified quite a few people, and have made a few bucks off the program. Guess what? OKFC is right, on two very improtant counts: One should not need government approval to exercise a Constitutional right, and the state-mandated training doesn't do much to prepare anyone for self-defense with a handgun. The Texas course is tougher and longer than many (10-15 hours, including range time) but I've never had a student fail to qualify, even several who had never fired a pistol before attending my class. Think they are ready for the ex-con on meth coming out of the alley? Additionally, having passed the official state course might just make some think they know enough, because after all, Big Brother thinks so, right?
Anyone who carries should have the PERSONAL dedication to learn more than just the law and the basics of marksmanship. Personal opinion, with no statistics to back it: I bet a higher percentage of Vermont carriers have trained to a significant degree than have those of Texas. Just give it some thought.
Anyone who carries should have the PERSONAL dedication to learn more than just the law and the basics of marksmanship. Personal opinion, with no statistics to back it: I bet a higher percentage of Vermont carriers have trained to a significant degree than have those of Texas. Just give it some thought.
In Delaware...(w/edit)...
Here in DE, it was pretty involved - my impression is that it is intentionally made difficult and expensive to discourage as many as possible. Requirements include 10 hours of classes, fingerprinting, photo, letters signed by 5 non-relatives who will vouch for your "sanity". It takes several months and about $350 or so to get your application submitted, then you wait another 8-12 weeks to get the permit.
Edit: I forgot that the $350 does not include $300 for the required 10 hr class. In addition, there is a requirement that you publish your name & address in the legal section of the largest local paper which declares that you are applying for a permit.
At first, I thought it was a nuisance to take the classes (LEO, NRA certified instructors) but it was probably the best thing that I could have done. Besides the range time etc, the best lesson for me was to realize that the absolute last thing you want to do is use your gun to protect property (i.e TV etc) - but only to prevent deadly threat of some sort. After all, would anyone want to go though the justice system (not to mention expense) for shooting someone who is stealing a replaceable object - I know I wouldn't.
Here in DE, it was pretty involved - my impression is that it is intentionally made difficult and expensive to discourage as many as possible. Requirements include 10 hours of classes, fingerprinting, photo, letters signed by 5 non-relatives who will vouch for your "sanity". It takes several months and about $350 or so to get your application submitted, then you wait another 8-12 weeks to get the permit.
Edit: I forgot that the $350 does not include $300 for the required 10 hr class. In addition, there is a requirement that you publish your name & address in the legal section of the largest local paper which declares that you are applying for a permit.
At first, I thought it was a nuisance to take the classes (LEO, NRA certified instructors) but it was probably the best thing that I could have done. Besides the range time etc, the best lesson for me was to realize that the absolute last thing you want to do is use your gun to protect property (i.e TV etc) - but only to prevent deadly threat of some sort. After all, would anyone want to go though the justice system (not to mention expense) for shooting someone who is stealing a replaceable object - I know I wouldn't.
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There's the how and there's the when.
Teaching someone how to shoot is fairly easy and can be done in an hour or 2. Anyone can learn how to shoot.
Teaching someone when to shoot is a lot more difficult and requires many hours of training. Quite a few never learn when to shoot.
But learning when to shoot is not near as much fun as learning how to shoot. People don't want to spend their time and money learning when but they will for how.
If you don't know when to shoot then it could cost you a lot more than you ever realize until it's too late.
Teaching someone how to shoot is fairly easy and can be done in an hour or 2. Anyone can learn how to shoot.
Teaching someone when to shoot is a lot more difficult and requires many hours of training. Quite a few never learn when to shoot.
But learning when to shoot is not near as much fun as learning how to shoot. People don't want to spend their time and money learning when but they will for how.
If you don't know when to shoot then it could cost you a lot more than you ever realize until it's too late.
Excellent post, ispcapt!
Noted this before but once DQ'd an otherwise extremely well-qualified candidate from employment as a LEO when said candidate averred that they would NEVER use deadly force. Even when given scenarios which in real life did result in the lawful/justified use of deadly force, the candidate insisted there was no situation in which they would do so.
Perhaps a rather rare circumstance as it pertains to "when" to shoot but wholly true.
Be safe.
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