CC permit and going to Canada

[walkin' trails]

With all the uproar about gun trafficking into Mexico, I wonder if CBP scrutinizes southbound permit holders?

For what it's worth, I would not carry my permit or LE creds when traveling abroad, especially going south.

 

[Mr Pokeyman]

With all the uproar about gun trafficking into Mexico, I wonder if CBP scrutinizes southbound permit holders?

For what it's worth, I would not carry my permit or LE creds when traveling abroad, especially going south.

I don't know about the southern border, but I spent a summer working the Canadian border crossing in Glacier Nat'l Park. This is a summer only crossing for tourists from Canada to enter the park and US citizens to go to Waterton Park in Canada. We did not stop any traffic going North, the Canadians examined everyone entering Canada and we examined people coming here. We found a fair amount of US citizens with guns (don't ask me how or why they had then in Canada). We always ran the serial no. in ncic to make sure it wasn't stolen, if not, sent them on their way. I really wasn't a big deal. We had an officer there from the Mexican border and he said it worked the same way on the southern border. I don't think there is enough manpower on the borders to exam cars leaving the country as it is. Besides, I thought the gov't wanted guns to go to mexico. Oops, did I say that?

 

[Silvergoose]

My wife and I are planning a motorcycle trip through Canada then into Alaska and back. The question came up as to how to get a gun,for protection, into Canada. Not being shy, I wrote to the RCMP and ask the question. I received a very nice, professional e-mail back. I was told handguns with barrels less than 4.20 inches were not allowed. Hunting rifles, shotguns and guns going to a sporting event or gun show would be permitted within the guidelines.
A fee of $25.00 along with proper I.D. personal, gun serial number,etc. is required at the border. You can fill in the register prior to going through customs, but it must be signed and verified by the border crossing guard(s).
I think, in my case, this is the way to go. That said bring back the same gun into the US could be a pain. My plan is to break it down and send it back home.
We'll see how this works out.

 

[steelslaver]

Sending it back home how.

The frame or receiver of any firearm is considered a gun as far as the mail etc is concerned. Bad idea.

Why not ask the US border patrol about bringing it back??

 

[WR Moore]

There's actually customs paperwork to complete to take a gun out of the US if you expect to bring it back.

 

[Aticus]

Sending it back home how.

The frame or receiver of any firearm is considered a gun as far as the mail etc is concerned. Bad idea.

Why not ask the US border patrol about bringing it back??

The question was about driving to Alaska from the lower 48. The only way I know to do that is to go through Canada. I don't think Canada allows you to transport a gun into Canada even to take it through. Federal law does allow a legal gun owner to ship his/her gun to himself/herself interstate through a common carrier, UPS, FedEX, etc. Since Alaska is a state this would be legal as long as no one but the owner of the gun opened the package upon delivery. If you send the gun in care of someone and they open the package that would be considered interstate commerce and would be illegal. If I'm wrong in this the law has changed within the last year and is not in the ATFE manual I have on the shelf.

 

[limodude]

I live stones throw 15 minutes from the bridge and tunnel in Detroit . I can tell you with certainty you are NOT getting a gun across legally unless your going hunting there and you got a lot of paperwork to go thru .

The first sign you see up on the bridge as you cross the border to Canada is no guns .

Having said all that back in the eightys I went on a 3 week vacation crossed the border a dozen times not knowingly with a browning I think mark 3 in cubby hole forgot it was there after a trip to the range. Never got caught but gid only knows I was lucky I honestly did not know it was there

These days I would count my guns at home and strip my car ! times have really changed on the border even here .
I can remember when the police would drive us into canada to play hockey back in the sixtys in those big Mercurys and they all carried.

 

[Lt JL]

Slight drift: Once, crossing at International Falls/Fort Francis, when the Canadian officer ran through the usual list of questions about prohibited items, he asked about O-C spray. I had a can in the console, where there should have been a gun. I told him that, yes, I had a can of O-C. I told him I was a policeman, and he gave me a choice, turn around and leave it on the U.S. side, or have it confiscated. Well, you all know how long those lines at the border can be, so I chose to turn it in. I went into their station, presented my can of Mace to the Officer. He wrote me out a truly Canadian receipt, on a form that was headed; SURRENDERED TO THE CROWN:
I thought that was the cat's ***, man. I still have that piece of paper somewhere. Incidentally, those Canadian Border guys were the first I ever saw with their body armor OVER their shirts. Shows you how long ago tat was.

 

[vt_shooter]

… Federal law does allow a legal gun owner to ship his/her gun to himself/herself interstate through a common carrier, UPS, FedEX, etc..

Federal says you can ship a gun to yourself, but UPS and FedEx apparently changed their rules, and now neither allows it. They both require that either the shipper, recipient, or both be licensed. The anti's are hard at work robbing us of every firearm-related freedom they can.

 

[OLDFED]

On the Bus to Canada 1993

...from Detroit, the bus was loaded with American law enforcement personnel going to Windsor for a meeting. Canadian border officer came aboard and stated "No guns...period!" He waited a few seconds then said, "OK, I KNOW some of you think you can still carry because you are federal agents and you are carrying. So, I'll count to five and you can either depart the bus now or we'll do a search and throw you carry-guys into our lovely jail." Seven American LEOs got off the bus. Seems like they are still serious about that.

A local friend here in WA recently asked me about carrying CCW in Canada. I told him that he could, but be sure to take his permit, 6 months of clean underwear, toiletries, toothbrush, warm slippers, plenty gun magazines to read and the phone number of the American Consul in Vancouver. He wouldn't be able to keep any of that stuff, but it would make him feel "prepared" for the nightmare that awaited him. He thought a few seconds, then asked me if I'd hold his .45 for him until he returned.

 

[Llando88]

Searched and found this thread to ask.

Situation is a two week vacation in southern Ontario this fall. Likely entry and exit to Canada from Michigan.

Firearm is a M&P FS 9mm, barrel length 107mm, and approx 100 rounds of SD ammo, plus two 17 round magazines. Pistol and ammo stored in locked containers inaccessible to the occupants (trunk.). Both passengers are CC permit holders in Florida. Intent is for defense of my person while traveling. Vehicle is an RV.

Judging by the commentary in this thread, the sense of the prospect of bringing my pistol into Canada is "don't even bother".

However, research on the RCMP web site Firearms Centre indicates my pistol falls into the "Restricted" category (length > 105 mm) and that I can follow the process to obtain an "Authorization To Travel" via RCMP form 5589, ahead of the trip.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/trans-eng.htm

My questions are:

Has anyone followed this process recently? Were you successful with obtaining the ATT, and entering Canada legally with your restricted firearm?

Secondly, on return to the US, what process did you follow to reimport the firearm back to the states?

 

[Donn]

No, it just gets me the mentality that if some one has a permit they must have a gun.

Nothing new here. Back in my hockey playing days, we played Fridays and Sundays at the old Windsor Arena. Every week, Canadian Customs would ask, "Did you bring any of your guns with you tonight?" This was in the late 70's/early 80's, way before CC is what it is today. They were nice enough about it, but every one automatically assumed since I was an American, I had a gun.

 

[armenius]

I think we should hire the Canadians to control our southern borders!

 

[jarhead1178]

had a Semper Fi plate on front of the truck

Did you have Marine logo on the car? Some years back I was coming back into the states and the Canadian border guard asked if I had a gun in the camper. I said no, he asked again and I told him I told you no. He then said all Marines had guns in a nasty tone and go ahead. Pulled up to the US border guard, he smiled said Semper Fi and waved me on my way. Great to be back in the USA.

 

[Arik]

So its that simple to sneak across the border? Just have USMC stickers?

Never been asked about my stickers and I've had everything on my cars at one point including a USMC sword sticker that I couldn't take off. I've never been hassled by any border patrol. A few questions and I'm on my way

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[jarhead1178]

So its that simple to sneak across the border? Just have USMC stickers?

Never been asked about my stickers and I've had everything on my cars at one point including a USMC sword sticker that I couldn't take off. I've never been hassled by any border patrol. A few questions and I'm on my way

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Where did I say I sneaked across the border because of my sticker, just commented on US border guard welcome. By the way try harder to get the marine sticker off your vehicle if you haven't earned it.

 

[Arik]

Just saying it sounds a little odd that th US customs would wave someone through based on nothing more than a sticker

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[ISCS Yoda]

Historically, I have no clue what it was like. Present day, if you don't have Canadian permission, and you take a firearm into Canada, you're on your own with respect to how much time you'll spend in a Canadian jail. It's not the USofA and when it comes to guns they don't respect your right to keep and bear arms. You wouldn't take a gun into Mexico, right? Don't do it in Canada, either. Really simple concept in this age of mass communication - we've all heard the horror stories.

***GRJ***

 

[jarhead1178]

Just saying it sounds a little odd that th US customs would wave someone through based on nothing more than a sticker

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How about my beautiful smile.

 

[Arik]

How about my beautiful smile.

well, in that case I stand corrected[emoji41]

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