CC permit and going to Canada
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Cal44
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One of the problems with having a CC permit in any state is it gets you into a database as a person carries a gun.
I've heard stories of people being stopped and questioned in jurisdictions that don't allow CC because they had a permit in another state.
Of course, there are Internet stories about anything ...
I've heard stories of people being stopped and questioned in jurisdictions that don't allow CC because they had a permit in another state.
Of course, there are Internet stories about anything ...
gordon21
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Canadians are a wonderful people. Canadian POLICE take their jobs and laws very seriously. They tend to view issues as black or white; no gray.
As a long haired 17 year old on a noisy 2 stroke motorcycle back in 1973, I got stopped by the RCMP for slinging gravel taking off out of a parking lot. He didn't like my attitude. After a couple minutes of conversation he reminded me very bluntly that "This is Canada, you are not a citizen, you don't have your one free phone call and a bunch of American rights". He then explained their arrest system. I might go to jail about 40 miles away and wait for the regional magistrate to visit that town. He said that was about every two weeks. And did I mention no phone call.
I was scared to death and promised to behave for the rest of my 1000 miles motorcycle trip. He said he was forwarding my name and description ahead along the rest of my route. He did let me go.
Now if that happens for spinning gravel, you can only guess how they view illegally smuggled in guns by adults. You have been warned.
In retrospect, that Mountie probably had a great laugh with his buddies that night at my expense.
As a long haired 17 year old on a noisy 2 stroke motorcycle back in 1973, I got stopped by the RCMP for slinging gravel taking off out of a parking lot. He didn't like my attitude. After a couple minutes of conversation he reminded me very bluntly that "This is Canada, you are not a citizen, you don't have your one free phone call and a bunch of American rights". He then explained their arrest system. I might go to jail about 40 miles away and wait for the regional magistrate to visit that town. He said that was about every two weeks. And did I mention no phone call.
I was scared to death and promised to behave for the rest of my 1000 miles motorcycle trip. He said he was forwarding my name and description ahead along the rest of my route. He did let me go.
Now if that happens for spinning gravel, you can only guess how they view illegally smuggled in guns by adults. You have been warned.
In retrospect, that Mountie probably had a great laugh with his buddies that night at my expense.
Texas Star
US Veteran
By US standards, Canada is a police state and I personally will not visit there. I believe they have no presumption of innocence unless proven guilty. The presumption is that you ARE guilty, unless you can prove otherwise.
I also understand that they have a VERY diminished concept of being able to defend yourself from criminal assault. If allowed self defense at all, if you use a "weapon", you may have problems. They sure don't have a Castle Doctrine provision in home shootings. Thus, it is silly to even think that you can take a gun to Canada (and most other countries) for protection.
I THINK South Africa will license a US visitor to carry a handgun, but I think you have to be a hunter. The gun technically is supposed to be for hunting. A well known US gun writer (a member here) and his daughter did go there some years ago and carried normal defensive type handguns, concealed in town, I believe. I hope this is still allowed.
Apart from that, I personally (no expert) do not know of ANY foreign nation that'll allow you to bring in a handgun for protection. You're darned lucky if you can carry a normal pocket knife in many countries. Most governments are very oppressive. I have some experience as a USAF liaison to the RCMP in Newfoundland some decades back, and they do indeed usually see matters in black and white, not in shades of gray. Most Canadian citizens I met were frankly afraid of their police.
The USA is head and shoulders above most countries in personal freedoms.
I also understand that they have a VERY diminished concept of being able to defend yourself from criminal assault. If allowed self defense at all, if you use a "weapon", you may have problems. They sure don't have a Castle Doctrine provision in home shootings. Thus, it is silly to even think that you can take a gun to Canada (and most other countries) for protection.
I THINK South Africa will license a US visitor to carry a handgun, but I think you have to be a hunter. The gun technically is supposed to be for hunting. A well known US gun writer (a member here) and his daughter did go there some years ago and carried normal defensive type handguns, concealed in town, I believe. I hope this is still allowed.
Apart from that, I personally (no expert) do not know of ANY foreign nation that'll allow you to bring in a handgun for protection. You're darned lucky if you can carry a normal pocket knife in many countries. Most governments are very oppressive. I have some experience as a USAF liaison to the RCMP in Newfoundland some decades back, and they do indeed usually see matters in black and white, not in shades of gray. Most Canadian citizens I met were frankly afraid of their police.
The USA is head and shoulders above most countries in personal freedoms.
Marie13
Member
I grew up in the Detroit area and had relatives in Ontario. That meant we were back and forth several times a year. I vividly remember a uniformed Detroit police officer turning in his duty weapon in at a Canada Customs booth on the Windsor side of the Ambassador Bridge. This was either the late 1970s or very early 1980s.
No Dice
If you're a Secret Service agent on the presidential detail, you're okay to cross borders. The rest of us are risking a jail sentence such as that poor marine currently jailed in Mexico.
If you are hunting in a foreign country such as in Africa or even Canada, they have procedures for registering your firearm so that you may bring it into their country. Be sure you understand their regulations and that you comply with them.
If you're a Secret Service agent on the presidential detail, you're okay to cross borders. The rest of us are risking a jail sentence such as that poor marine currently jailed in Mexico.
If you are hunting in a foreign country such as in Africa or even Canada, they have procedures for registering your firearm so that you may bring it into their country. Be sure you understand their regulations and that you comply with them.
I remember visiting Victoria when our kids were small, and we took the ferry from Port Angeles. I was carrying my regular ID in my ID/Badge wallet.
When I got my DL out to show the nice officials upon disembarking from the ferry, they saw the LE ID card & badge and asked about it. From their questions and expressions from my answers, they seemed as though they had a surprisingly hard time believing I hadn't brought my weapon to their country.
I had a hard time believing they'd think I'd intentionally try to bring a weapon into their (foreign) country, let alone a concealed weapon, for a personal/pleasure visit. Really? Especially being a cop in my country? It was almost as if they expected me to be some wild eyed, American Wild West lawman who couldn't leave home without his gun.
I was there for the food and beer.
When I got my DL out to show the nice officials upon disembarking from the ferry, they saw the LE ID card & badge and asked about it. From their questions and expressions from my answers, they seemed as though they had a surprisingly hard time believing I hadn't brought my weapon to their country.
I had a hard time believing they'd think I'd intentionally try to bring a weapon into their (foreign) country, let alone a concealed weapon, for a personal/pleasure visit. Really? Especially being a cop in my country? It was almost as if they expected me to be some wild eyed, American Wild West lawman who couldn't leave home without his gun.
I was there for the food and beer.
AZretired
Member
I still question that "poor marine's' motives. First, he's a "Former" marine. He got out of the service more than 2 years ago. He drove more than halfway across the country to go to the VA. What's wrong the the VA in his home state. He is not an innocent victim.
Well, after looking things over, we decided to leave the pistol at home for August trip. My 17 round magazines are prohibited, apparently, also.
I respect the laws of Canada, though; its their country, and I am a guest.
Our plan is to end up in Ontario for our family visit after heading through Michigan UP to Sault St Marie, then back to Fl.
Big Cholla
Member
Most of my relatives live in No. Michigan. As an active LEO, I crossed into Canada several times at the Soo. Each time, I stopped at the local PD and asked them to keep my two handguns and all their ammo for a few days. I never had any questions or problems going either way on those trips. I did arrange my guns in their cases so that I could know if they had been "looked" at by the PD. Every time, I felt that my guns had been removed from their cases and "looked" at, but I always got them back with no issues.
Many years ago when I was a resident of Alaska, I bought a new pickup truck in the lower '48 and elected to drive back thru Canada. I had a 2 1/2" Pre-model 10 with me. I went thru the sealed plastic bag routine. At the Alaska Border, I was pulled out the the lineup rather quickly and was asked to see the plastic bag. The Canadian Agent looked at it very carefully and very sternly told me that it was a good thing for me that the seal was still intact. I got into Alaska and the USBP Agent laughingly asked me if I needed his pocket knife to cut the bag and get my handgun out. I assume the Canadians phoned him and told him what I was carrying. My Alaska License Plates must have carried some weight because the USBP Agent didn't even ask to see the gun.
About 15 years ago, I ferried a friends airplane down from Anchorage to Seattle for him. He had three bolt action hunting rifles in the a/c. The Canadians were totally uninterested in them at that time. I'm sure that 9/11 changed everything. ............. Big Cholla
Many years ago when I was a resident of Alaska, I bought a new pickup truck in the lower '48 and elected to drive back thru Canada. I had a 2 1/2" Pre-model 10 with me. I went thru the sealed plastic bag routine. At the Alaska Border, I was pulled out the the lineup rather quickly and was asked to see the plastic bag. The Canadian Agent looked at it very carefully and very sternly told me that it was a good thing for me that the seal was still intact. I got into Alaska and the USBP Agent laughingly asked me if I needed his pocket knife to cut the bag and get my handgun out. I assume the Canadians phoned him and told him what I was carrying. My Alaska License Plates must have carried some weight because the USBP Agent didn't even ask to see the gun.
About 15 years ago, I ferried a friends airplane down from Anchorage to Seattle for him. He had three bolt action hunting rifles in the a/c. The Canadians were totally uninterested in them at that time. I'm sure that 9/11 changed everything. ............. Big Cholla
