Check out this new Bodyguard defect
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Okay. Let them see what happened to create interference between the hammer & firing pin. There's a fine dance between the trigger bar, hammer & safety block when it comes to timing.
Was the hammer functioning with the trigger being pulled? Seem to be falling too soon?
Might even be something as simple as a bit of machining debris that was missed when the striker assembly was installed, or the safety block, and which shifted after test-fire and during shipping.
They identified and corrected an issue with some of the older hammers some time ago.
If it's a frame issue (positioning and holding the parts), they'll probably just replace the gun.
Let us know what happens.
I've considered picking up one of these myself, to supplement my LCP.
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My guess is most likely a piece of debris in the striker channel... but, not much info to use for diagnosis..
Ofc.JL
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Fastbolt! You have it down pat. Thanks! From one old LEO/LE Armorer to another.
BTW, Thanx for your service, My Brother
Ofc.JL
BTW, Thanx for your service, My Brother
Ofc.JL
De nada.
The more things change, the more it's the same old issues usually involved.
Shooter, ammo, maintenance, mechanical or environmental. Pick one or more and look for the most obvious and likely.
Actual mechanical gun problems are sometimes a refreshing change of pace, since day in & day out more than 95% of the "problems" we have to fix are actually caused by the shooter in one way or another, right?
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And other questions for S&W to ask:
"How can we monitor our tooling so that tool marks do not show up on barrels?"
"How can we stop the drilling of striker safety block holes using dull drill bits?"
There is no final QC check of these pistols at S&W, unlike german-made Walthers that go to an independent proof house for final inspection.
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Oh I need to find that thread, sounds similar to something witnessed a couple weeks ago with the bodyguard (laser model)... Pull trigger...nothing. wait a few seconds...bang! Scary, and repeatable. Same ammo was put in different gun (Ruger LCP, iirc) and fired fine.
Off to find the thread we go...
sounds like a dirty gun...
hoy... in the future in these bashing threads, I'd like to see the posts start off with a statement of the posters QC background, if any.
From time to time I have to do inspections on jobsites, and I can tell you there is a huge difference between spotting something wrong, spotting something different, and spotting something missing entirely.
Bolt hole without a bolt in it? Easy. 3/4" A325 bolt where a A490 bolt is supposed to be? ... a little harder. Three equally spaced bolts where there are supposed to be four?, or the plate is properly welded instead of bolted?... and there are a hundred of them and they are all the same? Now add in the monotony of production runs for hours on end, day after day, lol... our brains are not wired to see what isn't there.
Lighten up, Francis....
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From time to time I have to do inspections on jobsites, and I can tell you there is a huge difference between spotting something wrong, spotting something different, and spotting something missing entirely.
Bolt hole without a bolt in it? Easy. 3/4" A325 bolt where a A490 bolt is supposed to be? ... a little harder. Three equally spaced bolts where there are supposed to be four?, or the plate is properly welded instead of bolted?... and there are a hundred of them and they are all the same? Now add in the monotony of production runs for hours on end, day after day, lol... our brains are not wired to see what isn't there.
Lighten up, Francis....
(end mini rant)
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I've done QC and manufacturing of products. From the first person to the last, someone somewhere should of noticed there where no slide serrations. The person pulling them from the milling machine, the person who did the finish, the assembler, the boxer and then the QC person.
Where I worked and work now, the QC department checks things over with calibers, rulers and other measuring tools to make sure the product is to spec. I did the manufacturing side at these jobs as well and are required to check the product before it goes to the next department for the next process where they check it as well all the way down the line. This happens all the way to the QC department. No serrations is a pretty obvious mistake that don't take tools to reveal that something is wrong.
I can see why there are some other random issues like accuracy and ramp/chambers being out of spec. If they can't catch this, they're not going to notice something that needs a tool to figure out.
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Totally a collectors item
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Agreed. How many people have bought something...anything...got it home and it either doesn't work right, or a part's missing, or it's broken? I know I have. The Quality Control Grinches can strike any company, anywhere, any time. No company on the planet is 100% perfect 100% of the time.
Sure it's happened before, and I'm not happy any time it does. I'll be understanding and not write a company off, but that doesn't mean I have to be happy. Maybe a good company can still do better. I've seen someone post on another forum about having an issue and get torn into for it only to have the gun subsequently recalled for the very same issue. It always seems like either the company is horrible and falling apart or it's infallible. Maybe S&W quality control is just as good as it always has been, but even if that's the case, a little pressure to do even better sure isn't going to hurt the company.
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So... what's the price on this rig?
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It's entirely possible to not see a horse when you're looking for zebras...
should this have been caught? obviously. Unexcusable?
hardly.
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They must not tell any of their employees to check for something missing or something out of the ordinary then. Like I posted, the manufacturing companies I work for now and used to work for had everyone in every department check over the product before it was boxed up to ship out.
Obviously every person in the process of making this particular pistol was blind. According to the S&W manufacture vids I've seen, there are the machinists, the people applying the finish, multiple assemblers, someone to put the sights on,the people who test fire them, the QC and the people who box them up. That's a lot of missed catches.
I'm not badmouthing the company itself, but I know if something that obvious got through my company, the higher ups would be questioning how not a single person caught it with the QC department getting the most flak.
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Somewhere on this forum is a picture of a recent - last year or so - S&W revolver that had the cylinder fluted and had a different number of chambers. Super thin in places. THAT was scary.
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Yes, that's scary, but I could see that getting past QA more easily than this.
In the revolver situation, as long as the cylinder operated normally, it would be easy to over look. Personnel test firing the gun would just load and fire. They wouldn't be inspecting the details. Personnel that are just processing the gun might not open the cylinder and wouldn't see the mistake.
In this case, the person firing the gun HAD to manipulate the slide. How they didn't feel the missing slide serrations is beyond me.
Maybe I should offer my services to S&W as a quality/process consultant. It's just one of the many "hats" I've worn over the years.
One of the simplest changes I made in one auto plant was to separate two workers on a production line who spent all their time yacking rather than doing their jobs and paying attention. Naturally they'd all blamed my robots, which were pretty good at catching their errors and stopping the line until they were fixed... That, and a couple other easy things, like a "parts board" for an easy visual reference for the different models, dropped the stoppage rate to nearly zero.
Maybe all S&W needs is a blown-up photo of the finished product, or the current stage of assembly, in front of the workers at that station. Makes it much easier to spot that something is different, without having to think much about it.
One of the simplest changes I made in one auto plant was to separate two workers on a production line who spent all their time yacking rather than doing their jobs and paying attention. Naturally they'd all blamed my robots, which were pretty good at catching their errors and stopping the line until they were fixed... That, and a couple other easy things, like a "parts board" for an easy visual reference for the different models, dropped the stoppage rate to nearly zero.
Maybe all S&W needs is a blown-up photo of the finished product, or the current stage of assembly, in front of the workers at that station. Makes it much easier to spot that something is different, without having to think much about it.
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Those are good ideas Robotech. I would add a "block" in the process that wouldn't allow the slide to pass on until each step is finished.
At the assembly stations in one Toyota plant I was touring, they had lasers on the parts bins. The laser could tell when I part was picked up by the tech. They couldn't pass the finished part on until they had at least pulled each minor part out of the bins. It also served as inventory control and alerted supply that they needed a refill if the particular bin got down to a certain number.
The result was that no assembly went on until it was complete and the techs never ran out of parts.
At the assembly stations in one Toyota plant I was touring, they had lasers on the parts bins. The laser could tell when I part was picked up by the tech. They couldn't pass the finished part on until they had at least pulled each minor part out of the bins. It also served as inventory control and alerted supply that they needed a refill if the particular bin got down to a certain number.
The result was that no assembly went on until it was complete and the techs never ran out of parts.
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