Chuck Taylor
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I took a Urban Carbine class from him the weekend after the Columbine mass shooting.
The class was not as fun as it could have been. I felt he was a good instructor but since the class was all civilians he did NOT teach his best.
It felt like 50% of the class was blow hard entertainment, though I don't doubt he had seen combat and served with distinction.
I felt he disdained civilian shooters and was not teaching us at the same level he would have a military or police audience.
It was GOOD entertainment, OK shooting instruction.
The class was not as fun as it could have been. I felt he was a good instructor but since the class was all civilians he did NOT teach his best.
It felt like 50% of the class was blow hard entertainment, though I don't doubt he had seen combat and served with distinction.
I felt he disdained civilian shooters and was not teaching us at the same level he would have a military or police audience.
It was GOOD entertainment, OK shooting instruction.
BUFF
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Not worshipping him at all. Just a tremendous admirer of the man. He accomplished a great deal in his lifetime. The more you read of his writings, the more you spoke with him, the more of his training you absorbed, the more impressed you get. The man was a deep thinker and an astute observer of the human condition. He accomplished a lot.
K1500
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Well, I suppose I'll try to dig the book out and provide you with some proof before I try to discredit him. As far as being surprised at the volume of training some do, I don't doubt a thing. I forget the most egregious example, but it was an order of magnitude beyond that which is physically possible.
An example (not Chuck Taylor) that I do remember was our local elementary school. They had a 1 million word reading program. Any 1st grader that reads 1 million words in a semester gets a prize. Most of them made it with time to spare. If you read at 30 words per minute every day (significantly faster than the average 1st grader) over the course of a 20 week semester, you would have to read 4 solid hours at that rate hours every day. Obviously, no 1st grader is doing that. To put it another way, that's roughly equivalent of reading War and Peace twice.
The point is the entire crew of idiots over at the school were bobbing their heads up and down and awarding these kids with 1 million word prizes halfway through the semester, when they themselves have not likely read 1 million words during the semester. They look like idiots because they just make stuff up. I'll try to remember to find Chuck's example as well, but don’t hang me in effigy if I forget.
dennis40x
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May I ask the location of the class? Cooper was not associated with Gunsite in April of 1999. Cooper sold Gunsite in 1992 and eventually had a falling out with the new owner. During the interim he taught classes at various locations on occasion. He became a proponent of Clint Smith’s Thunder Ranch. Not until December of 1999 when Gunsite changed hands with new ownership did he associate himself with Gunsite again and retired in 2003.
None the less in 1999 he was in his 79th year and maybe age had over taken him thus diminishing his instructional abilities.
Everyones different I guess Buff, which is human nature. The more I read him and absorbed his training, the more I distrusted his knowledge of the subject until I got to the point that I wasn't impressed with him at all. He did have a major impact on the gun industry though, I just don't see it as a positive change and definately not as an improvement.
Sorry Dennis, we got you confused. The thread is about Chuck Taylor not Jeff Cooper.
dennis40x
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I’m not confused at all. Subjects branch out into subtopics just addressing the subtopic. I have my thoughts on the main topic also but I’ll keep them to myself for the time being.
Many of Chuck's guns have been and are being sold through J&G Sales, in Prescott, AZ.
John
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Do they still publish "Gun Rags"??????????
gregintenn
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Chuck Taylor also invented some pretty cool sneakers.
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I'm not familiar with the name, but I may have read some of his material. Who did he write for?
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Converse.
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Thank you for the response. I've been reading gun publications since the early '60s, but never heard of that one; perhaps a different type of publication than what I am familiar with.
sigp220.45
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I think he mostly wrote for “Handguns” which has probably gone under. He wrote a column that was basically a knock-off of The Ayoob Files detailing alleged armed encounters in which a .38 Special or 9mm failed, then a 230 grain .45 hardball saved the day. For some reason, even mild swear words were censored, so you’d get a sentence like: As Bill blew the smoke from the muzzle of his 1911 he told Bruce - H*** buddy, I told you that d*** .38 was no good.
I’m pretty sure they were all made up.
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Thank you, Sig. I can recall "Handguns" but I don't think I ever subscribed to it.
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Yeah....I feel sort of bad now.That was kinda mean . . .
Sorry to hear he has passed. I used to enjoy his articles. I remember reading one back in the late 80’s or early 90’s titled “In Praise of the LWOM” (Light Weight Officers Model). Soon after, at a gun show in Orlando, I happened across one and of course had to buy it. Loved that little pistol. Can’t remember what I traded it for. R.I.P. Chuck.
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