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On 1st and 3rd Wed. We have a group meet , its a farm share type thing so 3 to four of us get there early to set up and shoot the breeze till truck gets there to un load. We all sit around so some are in folding chairs some sitting in there car or truck. We all have been doing this now for a few years. Its an early day starts before sun up. This last week where all there sitting around one in the groups trucks. About a half hour before sun up. A person in an other truck gets out on main road headlights on truck running.See three of us sitting around other truck gos over to the passanger side of truck starts pulling on window and door which is locked. The guy in the driver side pulls his glock 19 and tells this guy to go away in a real forceful tone telling him thats a real good way to get shot. This guy still stays at door for a few more seconds. It was a close call. All of us are carry guys in this group. This guy pulling on door looked to be a Meth / Tweaker type. Very well known to be allot of those around.The guy in the truck was way on it. I heard the 19 clear the holster. Before this guy got to the door I mentioned to all Hey look at this guy !!. Just a case you always have to be on it always. This is an outreach program so we are all ready always. Not a real great part of town known for Meth . That guy was very , very lucky.
 
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Was this incident reported to the local police or sheriff's department? I think it is wise to report such things, give a description of the subject, and really important to do when a weapon of any sort is displayed. You wouldn't want this guy running to the cops and make a claim that he was just walking along, minding his own business and someone pulled a gun on him without cause.
 
Just this week I stopped for gas on the way home from work at 1 a.m. It was a big, truck stop type station surrounded by fields and darkness. I was at the furthest, outer pump.
I just started pumping gas when a car pulls up and a tweaker type guy jumps out and he's blathering a mile a minute and he tries to get in my face. I stepped away from my car so that he couldn't confine me, and I grabbed hold my J frame in my front, left pocket, and kept it there throughout this whole encounter which only lasted a minute or two.
For the first couple of seconds I tried to listen to him but quickly realized he was not making sense. He was very nervous and I felt he was trying to distract me or wear me down or something. I've seen criminals act like this when they want to distract a store clerk. There was another person who stayed in his car.
At that point I loudly began repeating to him that I was not going to help him, and for him to get away from me, NOW. I kept my hip with the gun turned away from him and kept repeating for him to GET AWAY FROM ME NOW! I got enough distance between us for me to get in my car and drive away.
Here's what I learned. When I told my wife about it the next morning she said she always parks up near the building when she uses that station. I will do the same from now on. Why put myself in danger when I don't have to? Why make myself the mark on the edge of the pack?
A gun is no good if you can't get to it immediately. It would have done me no good if the gun was in my console or in an ankle holster.
I don't think I would have had any qualms about using force to defend myself if it came to that.
I'm convinced that guy meant me harm and that he changed his mind when I put up a resistance. This happened in the north county area of St. Louis where drugs and violence are pretty regular things.
Now I wish I had called the cops and made a report. Maybe they could have seen something on a surveillance camera.
 
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max503 said:
Just this week I stopped for gas on the way home from work at 1 a.m. It was a big, truck stop type station surrounded by fields and darkness. I was at the furthest, outer pump.
I just started pumping gas when a car pulls up and a tweaker type guy jumps out and he's blathering a mile a minute and he tries to get in my face. I stepped away from my car so that he couldn't confine me, and I grabbed hold my J frame in my front, left pocket, and kept it there throughout this whole encounter which only lasted a minute or two.
For the first couple of seconds I tried to listen to him but quickly realized he was not making sense. He was very nervous and I felt he was trying to distract me or wear me down or something. I've seen criminals act like this when they want to distract a store clerk. There was another person who stayed in his car.
At that point I loudly began repeating to him that I was not going to help him, and for him to get away from me, NOW. I kept my hip with the gun turned away from him and kept repeating for him to get-away-from-me NOW!! I got enough distance between us for me to get in my car and drive away.
Here's what I learned. When I told my wife about it the next morning she said she always parks up near the building when she uses that station. I will do the same from now on. Why put myself in danger when I don't have to?
A gun is no good if you can't get to it immediately. It would have done me no good if the gun was in my console or in an ankle holster.
I don't think I would have had any qualms about using force to defend myself if it came to that.
I'm convinced that guy meant me harm and that he changed his mind when I put up a resistance. This happened in the north county area of St. Louis where drugs and violence are pretty regular things.
Now I wish I had called the cops and made a report. Maybe they could have seen something on a surveillance camera.
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Seems like one of those times where pepper spray might be a better option over a pistol. Give him the one "Get away." If he doesn't, use the pepper spray.
 
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stansdds said:
Was this incident reported to the local police or sheriff's department? I think it is wise to report such things, give a description of the subject, and really important to do when a weapon of any sort is displayed. You wouldn't want this guy running to the cops and make a claim that he was just walking along, minding his own business and someone pulled a gun on him without cause.
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I think it's a good thing to report such activity for the record. In my experience people don't like to report minor things. I had situations which would come up, the complainant finally reports an offense. Then he'd recite a list of prior offenses which weren't reported at the time. So the current offense looks like a "first offense" on the record.

This offender tried to open your vehicle... he'd probably have stolen things, change from your ashtray, anything in the glove box... the fact he wasn't deterred by an occupied vehicle gives me pause.
 
max503 said:
Just this week I stopped for gas on the way home from work at 1 a.m. It was a big, truck stop type station surrounded by fields and darkness. I was at the furthest, outer pump.
I just started pumping gas when a car pulls up and a tweaker type guy jumps out and he's blathering a mile a minute and he tries to get in my face. I stepped away from my car so that he couldn't confine me, and I grabbed hold my J frame in my front, left pocket, and kept it there throughout this whole encounter which only lasted a minute or two.
For the first couple of seconds I tried to listen to him but quickly realized he was not making sense. He was very nervous and I felt he was trying to distract me or wear me down or something. I've seen criminals act like this when they want to distract a store clerk. There was another person who stayed in his car.
At that point I loudly began repeating to him that I was not going to help him, and for him to get away from me, NOW. I kept my hip with the gun turned away from him and kept repeating for him to GET AWAY FROM ME NOW! I got enough distance between us for me to get in my car and drive away.
Here's what I learned. When I told my wife about it the next morning she said she always parks up near the building when she uses that station. I will do the same from now on. Why put myself in danger when I don't have to? Why make myself the mark on the edge of the pack?
A gun is no good if you can't get to it immediately. It would have done me no good if the gun was in my console or in an ankle holster.
I don't think I would have had any qualms about using force to defend myself if it came to that.
I'm convinced that guy meant me harm and that he changed his mind when I put up a resistance. This happened in the north county area of St. Louis where drugs and violence are pretty regular things.
Now I wish I had called the cops and made a report. Maybe they could have seen something on a surveillance camera.
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There area lot of creeper type gas station robberies... sneaking into a car through the off side while at the pump. With this distraction type confrontation... it might have been a robbery attempt. You are wise to watch your 6 and flanks.

Yes, reporting is good. Yes, prefer most visible, best lighted pumps.
 
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Please don’t take offense but three guys sitting in a truck should not need one to pull a gun in response to some dude pulling on the door handle. (Apologies if I misread the account...was a bit confusing.).

Be safe.


wingriderz said:
On 1st and 3rd Wed. We have a group meet , its a farm share type thing so 3 to four of us get there early to set up and shoot the breeze till truck gets there to un load. We all sit around so some are in folding chairs some sitting in there car or truck. We all have been doing this now for a few years. Its an early day starts before sun up. This last week where all there sitting around one in the groups trucks. About a half hour before sun up. A person in an other truck gets out on main road headlights on truck running.See three of us sitting around other truck gos over to the passanger side of truck starts pulling on window and door which is locked. The guy in the driver side pulls his glock 19 and tells this guy to go away in a real forceful tone telling him thats a real good way to get shot. This guy still stays at door for a few more seconds. It was a close call. All of us are carry guys in this group. This guy pulling on door looked to be a Meth / Tweaker type. Very well known to be allot of those around.The guy in the truck was way on it. I heard the 19 clear the holster. Before this guy got to the door I mentioned to all Hey look at this guy !!. Just a case you always have to be on it always. This is an outreach program so we are all ready always. Not a real great part of town known for Meth . That guy was very , very lucky.
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As I read it... truck's owner in driver's seat. Other's scattered outside.
Possibly prowler thought he could get in unnoticed or grab & run before outside witnesses could reach him. Would deadly force be justified... unless prowler produced a weapon, probably not but this is speculation. However, if a stranger attempted to get in with me... was it a car jacking? attempting armed assault / robbery? We can't know. We are not required to offer a fair fight.

This does give pause to the many times people commonly leave their vehicles unlocked or even keys in them. When gassing up in the middle of the day... real safe suburban area... I admit I used to. I don't anymore.
 
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wingriderz said:
On 1st and 3rd Wed. We have a group meet , its a farm share type thing so 3 to four of us get there early to set up and shoot the breeze till truck gets there to un load. We all sit around so some are in folding chairs some sitting in there car or truck. We all have been doing this now for a few years. Its an early day starts before sun up. This last week where all there sitting around one in the groups trucks. About a half hour before sun up. A person in an other truck gets out on main road headlights on truck running.See three of us sitting around other truck gos over to the passanger side of truck starts pulling on window and door which is locked. The guy in the driver side pulls his glock 19 and tells this guy to go away in a real forceful tone telling him thats a real good way to get shot. This guy still stays at door for a few more seconds. It was a close call. All of us are carry guys in this group. This guy pulling on door looked to be a Meth / Tweaker type. Very well known to be allot of those around.The guy in the truck was way on it. I heard the 19 clear the holster. Before this guy got to the door I mentioned to all Hey look at this guy !!. Just a case you always have to be on it always. This is an outreach program so we are all ready always. Not a real great part of town known for Meth . That guy was very , very lucky.
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So, in what part of Florida did this occur?
 
Stopped at an all night gas/convenience store late one night, locked my Suburban and went inside, when I came back 2 shifty looking guys hanging around and started talking about me giving them a ride. I declined and told them to back off. About that time one of them grabbed the door handle on the passenger side, when he did that my 100lb German Shepard came up out of the rear floor board growing, snapping and barking and raising hell.
They suddenly lost interest in riding anywhere with me and ran like hell...
Good boy Major:)
 
I'm glad your friend drew his pistol-anyone who would grab a door handle or window with that many men sitting there is emotionally/chemically unbalanced in my view. It is like a raccoon coming out in broad daylight acting aggressive-something is wrong. Our current society requires me to find out what's up with my gun out where he can see it. It's sad, but that's how it is with me and mine.
 
max503 said:
It would have done me no good if the gun was in my console or in an ankle holster.
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Glad that your situation turned out alright. Gas station tweakers are a problem here in suburban Charlotte too. Many try to intimidate.

In defense of ankle holsters, and as somebody who carries this way every work day, I'll say this...You can very discreetly take a J frame off the ankle while seated in a vehicle and slide it into your pocket or waistband if necessary. I sometimes ankle carry a 442 with Barami Hip grip for this purpose (transition to waistband). J frames are versitile and reliable. Everything is a trade off. For me, ankle is the best option to deeply conceal a .38 snub in the business casual and non-permissive work environment. I can get to a ankle hosltered revolver fast enough being flexible and in reasonably good shape. That said, I rarely ankle carry when not working. Usually opt for IWB or pocket carry.
 
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You read and hear about it all the time but last Sat. while at Tulsa area Auto Zone, a customer was inside buying/looking at a steering wheel cover when his truck, which was parked right in front of the store, was stolen.
Perp, a 20's male with no shirt appeared from nowhere and drove off.
This was a day theft in a busy area typically not known as high crime area. I was inside getting a few items when occurred and it went down very fast and out of nowhere. Victim was talking to cops when I left.
Seems this type of theft typically happens at convenience stores when drivers leave their car running (heater/AC) while getting a snack, etc.
Double whammy if you left your weapon (or anything else) in the car.
 
flagman1776 said:
There area lot of creeper type gas station robberies... sneaking into a car through the off side while at the pump. With this distraction type confrontation... it might have been a robbery attempt. You are wise to watch your 6 and flanks.

Yes, reporting is good. Yes, prefer most visible, best lighted pumps.
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This kind of problem is the reason I no longer buy gasoline at
WM. 1. New policy encourages criminals in my opinion. 2. I
will not gas up where I can't reach my gun quickly without pulling my shirt up. I always carry concealed unless I am inside
my vehicle or getting gas. I do not wish to carry brass knuckles, a knife, or a club or a taser. My choice of self defense
items is a handgun. I do think If I had to draw it I would have
called police. I refuse to be a teller machine for a thug.
 
My pistol is never to be used as a threat or warning. Just me, but the gun isn't coming out for me to tell some guy to get lost. IT is coming out because I am in fear for my life or grave bodily injury. Sitting inside my locked vehicle doesn't apply to either imo.
 
jack the toad said:
You read and hear about it all the time but last Sat. while at Tulsa area Auto Zone, a customer was inside buying/looking at a steering wheel cover when his truck, which was parked right in front of the store, was stolen.
Perp, a 20's male with no shirt appeared from nowhere and drove off.
This was a day theft in a busy area typically not known as high crime area. I was inside getting a few items when occurred and it went down very fast and out of nowhere. Victim was talking to cops when I left.
Seems this type of theft typically happens at convenience stores when drivers leave their car running (heater/AC) while getting a snack, etc.
Double whammy if you left your weapon (or anything else) in the car.
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But stupid people kinda deserve things like that? I have often thought about jumping in some idiots running car left outside a store & driving it around the corner & leaving it. If you left your running car with a weapon inside it, well now that is just criminally stupid. As always jmo.
 
This is why I like living rural. There’s no reason for somebody just showing up unannounced. None.
If there is a problem, state clearly what it is and I will decide what to do about it.
I am now a curmudgeon and there’s no going back.
 
jack the toad said:
You read and hear about it all the time but last Sat. while at Tulsa area Auto Zone, a customer was inside buying/looking at a steering wheel cover when his truck, which was parked right in front of the store, was stolen.
Perp, a 20's male with no shirt appeared from nowhere and drove off.
This was a day theft in a busy area typically not known as high crime area. I was inside getting a few items when occurred and it went down very fast and out of nowhere. Victim was talking to cops when I left.
Seems this type of theft typically happens at convenience stores when drivers leave their car running (heater/AC) while getting a snack, etc.
Double whammy if you left your weapon (or anything else) in the car.
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I read about a running car rip off at a toll plaza, guy went in to pay / fix transponder issue. Came out, car gone. Don't be that guy.
 
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fredj338 said:
But stupid people kinda deserve things like that? I have often thought about jumping in some idiots running car left outside a store & driving it around the corner & leaving it. If you left your running car with a weapon inside it, well now that is just criminally stupid. As always jmo.
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No argument from me. Stupid things happen to stupid people.
I've thought the same thing about teaching them a friendly lesson. But instead of driving off, just pull the ignition key and leave it someplace easily found; on top, in door lock, etc.
 
fredj338 said:
My pistol is never to be used as a threat or warning. Just me, but the gun isn't coming out for me to tell some guy to get lost. IT is coming out because I am in fear for my life or grave bodily injury. Sitting inside my locked vehicle doesn't apply to either imo.
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Correct answer! Flashing a firearm, even if you are trying to warn someone to go away, is brandishing and is likely to get you an "interview" with your local law enforcement agency. It might also get you a court date and a revocation of your CCW permit.
 
stansdds said:
Correct answer! Flashing a firearm, even if you are trying to warn someone to go away, is brandishing and is likely to get you an "interview" with your local law enforcement agency. It might also get you a court date and a revocation of your CCW permit.
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Not in Montana if your fear for your or another person's safety.

(2) If a person reasonably believes that the person or another person is threatened with bodily harm, the person may warn or threaten the use of force, including deadly force, against the aggressor, including drawing or presenting a weapon.
 
max503 said:
Just this week I stopped for gas on the way home from work at 1 a.m. It was a big, truck stop type station surrounded by fields and darkness. I was at the furthest, outer pump.
I just started pumping gas when a car pulls up and a tweaker type guy jumps out and he's blathering a mile a minute and he tries to get in my face. I stepped away from my car so that he couldn't confine me, and I grabbed hold my J frame in my front, left pocket, and kept it there throughout this whole encounter which only lasted a minute or two.
For the first couple of seconds I tried to listen to him but quickly realized he was not making sense. He was very nervous and I felt he was trying to distract me or wear me down or something. I've seen criminals act like this when they want to distract a store clerk. There was another person who stayed in his car.
At that point I loudly began repeating to him that I was not going to help him, and for him to get away from me, NOW. I kept my hip with the gun turned away from him and kept repeating for him to GET AWAY FROM ME NOW! I got enough distance between us for me to get in my car and drive away.
Here's what I learned. When I told my wife about it the next morning she said she always parks up near the building when she uses that station. I will do the same from now on. Why put myself in danger when I don't have to? Why make myself the mark on the edge of the pack?
A gun is no good if you can't get to it immediately. It would have done me no good if the gun was in my console or in an ankle holster.
I don't think I would have had any qualms about using force to defend myself if it came to that.
I'm convinced that guy meant me harm and that he changed his mind when I put up a resistance. This happened in the north county area of St. Louis where drugs and violence are pretty regular things.
Now I wish I had called the cops and made a report. Maybe they could have seen something on a surveillance camera.
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Use the gas pump instead of pepper spray, it's already in your hand. That should help create some distance so you have the needed time to draw your handgun. All of this depends on the level of threat that you feel you are facing.
 
Jack Flash said:
Guys, if someone has left their car running, you shouldn't mess with it to teach them a lesson. You never know who you are messing with. You may be the one who gets taught a lesson. :eek:
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Yet it is so tempring.
 
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