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Do any of the parts match ?

Highly unlikely. The vast majority of these pistols are mix-masters straight out of the Arms Room. Some have been arsenal rebuilt and will be refinished.

Any all correct pistols will probably be sold at auction for much more than the standard prices.
 
Do any of the parts match ?

Highly unlikely. The vast majority of these pistols are mix-masters straight out of the Arms Room. Some have been arsenal rebuilt and will be refinished.

Any all correct pistols will probably be sold at auction for much more than the standard prices.

You stand a better chance of winning the Power Ball than getting an original M1911/M1911A1 from CMP. Parts have been changed/rebuilt and during cleaning details parts were mixed up. The pistols still worked so who cared? They were not thinking of a collector then, only guns that could work when needed.
 
That's good to hear. Back in '19, early in Round 1, I received a service grade only to find out the cheaper rack grade guns, while a bit rougher, were far more original than the re-Parked and overhauled piece I was sent.

I'm probably going after my second one also. Like you, I received a service grade which was fine but a rack grade looks more along the lines of what I wanted.
 
Do any of the parts match ?

That's good to hear. Back in '19, early in Round 1, I received a service grade only to find out the cheaper rack grade guns, while a bit rougher, were far more original than the re-Parked and overhauled piece I was sent.

I'm probably going after my second one also. Like you, I received a service grade which was fine but a rack grade looks more along the lines of what I wanted.

The Service Grades are probably the guns that were rebuilt and put in War Stores in the late 1980's. They were rebuilt with NOS parts (both WW II and post-war). The frames and slides were reparked. The Navy did theirs at NWS Crane, Ind. They hired 50 extra gunsmiths at the time to do the work. I was training the Auxiliary Security Force at NS Long Beach, Ca. at the time. I ordered 50 M1911A1's for them. I received what looked to be 50 brand new pistols. They did a good job.

Even the Rack Grades will be quite a crapshoot. If you get a matching slide and frame, go get a lottery ticket.
 
Do they actually require membership in a club or will military service, combat duty, etc be accepted?

They will want to see a DD-214 and membership in an accepted organization. Garand Collectors' Association will do, their dues are $25.00 a year. That gets you in the door at CMP and GCA gives you 4 nice full color magazines a year on Garands.
 
Got my paperwork filled out except for a signature. Will visit the notary tomorrow. If you are over 60 you don't need proof of shooting proficiency any more. I am a GCA member, so in it will go and the wait will begin.
 
One is enough for me.

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I got a Round 2 rack grade with a 1943 Ithaca frame and ithaca slide. Barrel is postwar, and the frame has a SA re arsenal mark and appears to have an old, matching refinish. I've owned a field and service purchased from friends, the service was a 1941 Colt frame with a RR slide, the field was IIRC a RR frame with a postwar colt slide. Both had much worse triggers and safety fit than the rack grade does. Both of those pistols sold for far more than the CMP charged for them, and more than current CMP prices. If you're at all thinking you might want one, it's a pretty easy dice roll. I'm going to submit another packet to try my hand at a Range grade if it's available. Some of those turned out to be very, very cool.
 
I'm still debating this. I got a pretty well used gun in the first round. I already had one G.I. issue pistol. So that makes two I already have.
If I knew for sure I'd get one of the fresh arsenal rebuilds this time, I'd go for it. But you don't get a choice. Just not sure if I wanna take the chance. :rolleyes:
 
I'm still debating this. I got a pretty well used gun in the first round. I already had one G.I. issue pistol. So that makes two I already have.
If I knew for sure I'd get one of the fresh arsenal rebuilds this time, I'd go for it. But you don't get a choice. Just not sure if I wanna take the chance. :rolleyes:

Grayfox,

I have perused the offerings. My thoughts are the Service Grades would be the best chance for a rebuilt pistol that were in war stores possibly. The Field Grades are more like we would draw from the armory. As the saying goes"You pays your dime and you takes your chance!".

AJ
 
I am happy with Service Grade 1911A1 CMP pistol (3rd Round / May 2023). Ithaca frame, Remington Rand slide, mix of other parts, post-war barrel. Decent arsenal refinish. Most of the markings well intact. Shoots very nice too. No complaints. Submit your application, wait patiently, you will get picked. Good luck!
 
I'm torn. Ever since I read you could get a second pistol, I have been contemplating it. I should probably be happy with the one I have.

In the second round, My paperwork was damaged at an indecent there. Once they were pretty far past my RGN, I started calling. They told me what happened, and I had to resubmit my paperwork (complete with a trip to the notary).

Once my paper work was resubmitted, the woman handling my order said they would make up for the inconvenience. I received a matching (and by everything I can tell correct) Ithaca. What little remains of the finish looks original. There are no indications it has ever been through an arsenal for a rebuild. It is more accurate than it should be considering the sights.

The only possible downside is that is was a summer 1945 manufacture, so it is unlikely to have WWII history.

Long story short, I couldn't be happier with my Field Grade. A second one would probably bring disappointment.
 
Looked at the prices :eek: $1050 for a rack grade. Three times the price of some of the quality imports these days. I'll pass. Just don't see anything that justifies the price unless you see it as some kind of long term investment. But... your money, your choice as how to spend it.
 
Looked at the prices :eek: $1050 for a rack grade. Three times the price of some of the quality imports these days. I'll pass. Just don't see anything that justifies the price unless you see it as some kind of long term investment. But... your money, your choice as how to spend it.

The same can be said for you, your money, your choice. Yes, the imports do seem to be good firearms. If you want one to modify then those are where I would be looking. If you want a piece of history then you go with a military M1911A1. I have owned several M1911A1's in my time, was assigned one for 20 of 24 years in the Corps. I have gotten out of the collection phase and just want shooters now. I own a couple of older Colt commercial models and a Ruger SR1911 10MM. So my choice. Some folks want a piece of history so CMP fulfills that. Look at the asking prices of U.S. issue M1911's on the open market, to me what I see from CMP is a deal.
 
I got a 1st round CMP service grade Ithaca slide,Remington Rand frame ,HS barrel no rebuild marks. Half are marked and half not marked rebuilt. Tight and good shooting real G.I. issue.And yes packet in for round 4!!
 

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To me, there's a lot NOT to like about the CMP 1911s, and especially what has become of the CMP sales program.

As some of you know, and some perhaps don't, the DCM (the predecessor to the CMP) sold Garands, 1911s, etc to qualifying citizens beginning in the post-war years. During the early to mid 1960s, the DCM charged between $15-20 for a 1911. That's about $180-240 in today's dollars accounting for inflation.

The intent of these sales was to foster interest and participation in Service Pistol matches, to earn your Distinguished Pistol Badge firing the National Match Course. In fact, that was the primary purpose of the DCM and the alleged purpose of today's CMP: to foster interest and participation in competitive shooting events based on the use of U.S. Service arms.

Part of the purchase requirement was to provide proof of competitive match shooting participation. In return, you got a basic serviceable pistol that was allowable and usable under DCM Match rules. They even provided info on accurizing techniques as allowed under DCM rules.
When I was getting started in Bullseye competition, a lot of the older guys were still using the DCM 1911s that they had purchased years ago. From what they told me, being able to buy one of these pistols and having them accurized was not only much less than buying a new Colt, it made their start in match shooting financially possible. And, that was the intent of the sales program!

Just my opinion, but the CMP have lost their way. They don't care at all about building competitive shooting through their sales program. Chances are, most of you would be hard-pressed to find a CMP sponsored service pistol match anywhere in your state, or within less than a full day's drive. This is sad, and a failure on their part, as participation and interest in precision pistol marksmanship is really dying off. (Makes me wonder exactly what are they doing with the money generated by these sales?)
Their pricing is based on what they've seen pistols being resold via online auctions. And, they want their share of the loot. In fact, they warn you that if they discover you are reselling your pistol, you will be banned from future purchases! (And they call themselves a 501c3 "non-profit" organization!)

For the money they're charging, there are much better options for the aspiring Service Pistol competitor. It wasn't that long ago that you could by a match conditioned "Hardball" Service pistol from Les Bair for $1200, or from Springfield Armory for just a little less.
 
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Just my opinion, but the CMP have lost their way. They don't care at all about building competitive shooting through their sales program. Chances are, most of you would be hard-pressed to find a CMP sponsored service pistol match anywhere in your state, or within less than a full day's drive. This is sad, and a failure on their part, as participation and interest in precision pistol marksmanship is really dying off. (Makes me wonder exactly what are they doing with the money generated by these sales?)

CMP is affiliated with the Government. That said it is in business to make money. Years ago you could only buy one Garand in your lifetime, under DCM rules. When CMP took over you could buy 8 Garands a year. Now they have cut that down to 6 a year. Who bought 8 Garands a year? Dealers or folks looking to cherry pick the rifles and make some money from all that could not. Do I blame a private company for making money? No... The money made is called profit and yes, some does go to shooting sports. Have seen Garands go for $50,000.00 on their auction site.....nice profit for some thing that cost the Government $85.00 during WW II.
 
The CMP is a business. The goal of any business is to make money or it ceases to exist, or gets bought out by someone who does know how to make money.

Just like car auto manufacturers, grocers, the gun industry, mattress manufacturers, etc….even Las Vegas casino's. :eek:

The only business that can run on endless deficits is well known. ;):D
 
Seems like a long way around the barn for
what will likely be a parts gun.
Never saw the selling price.

About 99.9% are what you call parts guns. The government has not bought a M1911A1 since WW II, Oh, yes a few for the special operators, maybe Army Delta Force and the Marine Anti-Terrorist Units. Those will not be seen at CMP. The WW II guns have been rebuilt a few time's, plus when parts fail they are replaced also don't forget cleaning details. Not once in all of these functions did anyone ay attention to specific part by manufacturer. Parts is parts and as long as it works and fixes the problems, who cares. The mystique to these pistols is that they may have been used in WW II, Korea, Viet Nam and a bunch of other places. We did not care if the pistol was all one manufacturer, just that it worked as advertised!
 
DCM 1911 1962 sale,$19.99 but average wage was 6000 dollars a year and a new car $2000 and small ranch house $18000. A early WW-2 rebuild 1911 with WW-2 Colt Slide and and Colt barrel on a 1918 Colt frame. Some tank crews in Bush's 1st. Iraq war in the 1990's still had some 1911 forty-fives dating from WW-1 and M-3 greaseguns.
 

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Back in the late 60s when I was a whole lot younger I wanted a 1911 .45 surplus gun but couldn't find one at a reasonable price. New or used Colts were expensive for me at that time. One day at the local outdoor shooting range I ran into an older guy who had two .45s that he had gotten from the DCM. He sold me one for what he had paid for it, $23.50. The slide was Remington Rand but as to the rest of it I don't know. I kept it for several years until i could afford to trade it for a genuine Colt.
 
The CMP is not a "business" for profit. They are audited yearly and the money all goes to run the CMP operations, programs like the Camp Perry Competitions and the remainder goes into a endowment that was started in 1999 because they know the supply of firearms that they will be able to get from the government and sell is finite. So, the more they can get for the firearms they sell, the more money ends up in that endowment and the longer they will be able to continue their shooting programs.

It is not the CMP that is setting the prices. It is the people buying them that are showing a willingness to pay more. The CMP has tried to keep it it as fair as they can with limits on how many can be purchased to try and keep the dealers from snagging them all and reselling for a big profit. I have read posts by people on forums talking about how easy it was to flip the 1911 they got for a lot more money. The prices are not out of line for the present day. I understand that many are not either willing or able to spend this much for one, but there are plenty of people out there who are. So this is what we have got, and if it gets your goat then okay, sorry you feel that way. But blaming the CMP for it is ridiculous.
 
Let's see, new Colt series 70 Government Model, for $950 or 80 + years old mix master rack grade CMP Government Model for $1050. Wow what a tough decision, uh....not hardly. I won't be fighting you all for a place on the CMP list :D
 
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