CMP 1911 pricing is announced

[kbm6893]

And of course labor, shipping, electricity, supplies, etc and other items never go up.

They charge the customer shipping so it's a wash.

Labor? Are the cmp armorers and warehouse workers gonna get a piece of every 1911?

Electricity? Is the bill for the lights and AC in the warehouse gonna go up when the 1911's arrive?

Look, buy 4 of these if you want to. I don't care. Just don't tell me it's a good deal. A good deal at a gunshop where you can see the gun and inspect it? Course it is. Luck of the draw from an organization that got them for NOTHING? Not so much.

I'd like to have one. And I can certainly afford it. But giving 1200 bucks or more for a gun that the seller got for free? nah. Not for me.

And a gunshop has labor, electricity, and supplies to pay for, too.

 

[kbm6893]

I didn't think you did.

So only business owners have a right to an opinion? What business did you own?

 

[ladder13]

Labor? Are the cmp armorers and warehouse workers gonna get a piece of every 1911?

Electricity? Is the bill for the lights and AC in the warehouse gonna go up when the 1911's arrive?

A good deal at a gunshop where you can see the gun and inspect it?

Prices on goods for sale takes into account all relevant factors to figure a cost they just don't make up prices as they go, that's ECO101.

Let me know when you find a GI 1911 in a local gunshop, please PM so I can go look.

Why did you buy 2 Garands from the CMP that they allegedly got for free, couldn't you find one at your LGS? Why support a ripoff outfit?

 

[Watchdog]

The Singers will be gone in 2 seconds.

The chances of a Singer showing up in this deal are slim and none, and Slim left town a day or so ago.

 

[eapking]

Yeah pretty much where I was going with that.

 

[kbm6893]

Prices on goods for sale takes into account all relevant factors to figure a cost they just don't make up prices as they go, that's ECO101.

Let me know when you find a GI 1911 in a local gunshop, please PM so I can go look.

Why did you buy 2 Garands from the CMP that they allegedly got for free, couldn't you find one at your LGS? Why support a ripoff outfit?

I bought 2 Garands from them because the price was reasonable and I trust the cmp to sell me a good product. Garand at a gun shop could be some bubba special.

I don't believe a grand is a reasonable price. Same reason why I won't buy a carbine from them now. I wish I had bought one when they were reasonable, but now that they have gone stupid with carbine prices I'm not gonna play.

 

[lrrifleman]

I don't wish to come across as "holier than thou".

I purchased my first M1 Garand back when the DCM required that you had to fire at least 60 rounds in competition (proof required), pay $128, and limited to one purchase per lifetime. If that were the case today, what type of exchange would we be seeing here now? I was also able to get a replacement '03A3 barrel for $0.98, brand new in the cosmoline wrap.

Times change, and so do prices. When the CMP replaced the DCM, it was understood that the CMP was to be totally self sufficient. All financial support ties to the Department of the Army were severed. By Congressional edict, any arms disposed by the Army was to be thru the CMP. I don't know how many people that the CMP employs, but I do know that they operate at least two facilities: CMP North at Camp Perry (which is the HQ and the Northern store), and the CMP facility at Anniston (where incoming arms are inspected and repaired, and graded). I don't know if the new range complex is at Anniston or not, so it could be a third facility.

What I do know, is that the sale of each and every arm sold by CMP is the operating income, plain and simple! As the supplies of arms, ammunition, parts, shooting supplies, and souvenirs dwindles, the prices have to go up. Without the sale of arms and such by the CMP, there is NOT any semblance of a Civilian Marksmanship Program. Today, the existence of the CMP is at the mercy of the American gun owner, unlike the DCM, whose existence was subject to the whims of Congress!

 

[ladder13]

I bought 2 Garands from them because the price was reasonable and I trust the cmp to sell me a good product. Garand at a gun shop could be some bubba special.

I don't believe a grand is a reasonable price. Same reason why I won't buy a carbine from them now. I wish I had bought one when they were reasonable, but now that they have gone stupid with carbine prices I'm not gonna play.

So you buy from a ripoff organization when it suits you, or the price is to your liking, I get it. And you took a chance sight unseen that you would get a good Garand but won't buy a 1911 sight unseen. Don't trust the CMP, you said you do? 1911 at a gunshop could be a bubba special, you know so much about a gov't 1911 to know the difference?

They obviously sold you Garands not at a loss, why would they do that, you wouldn't be able to buy any more if they went belly up.
Why then should they sell 1911's for any less than what THEY deem a cost to keep the organization going?


I believe the post before mine covers the financials.

 

[ladder13]

Back on topic, great guns at a fair price, get em' while you can.

 

[Watchdog]

Browning was a brilliant man but parts inter changeability among same machines was achieved before he was born and the idea older than this country.

This is a bit off topic, but just to set the record straight, I wasn't talking about machines or other products from the Industrial Revolution or anything pre-1900.

Nor was I implying that Browning came up with the idea of parts interchangeability. Of course he didn't. I said that was one of the concepts he used in the 1911 to further the chances of his pistol being adopted for military use. He wanted to sell his pistol to the U. S. Army, and parts interchangeability in the field was one of the things the Army was looking for.

 

[ladder13]

How timely. On Outdoor Channel, our forum's(and NRA's) own Jim Supica is talking about the 1911 on a show he hosts Gun Guru's.
He's talking about the 1911 and guns that tried to replace the 1911. Great feature story.

 

[fat tom]

I don't understand the whining. Don't buy one!


It's not always about the money.

Pretty much sums it up for me.
f.t.

 

[beardeddog]

Rock Island Aresenal Refurb

See Attached Photo

Purchased for $950 8 months ago. 1943 Colt Frame,
1943? Ithaca complete slide. It looks all brand new to me. Stamped RIA, so it was sent through the Arsenal. But it looks as if it was never used. I have shot it a few times and it has some handling marks from being around for 73 years. Likely a DCM/NRA sale in the 1960s...I have a 1944 M1 Inland Carbine in essentially the same condition.....That one I know came from the DCM in the 1960s

 

[spad124]

Browning was a brilliant man but parts inter changeability among same machines was achieved before he was born and the idea older than this country.

You can thank the John Hall gun works at Harpers Ferry for parts interchangeability in firearms. Hall pioneered the concept with a his contract for one of the later versions of, I believe, the 1816 pattern musket. If I recall correctly the first as designed fully interchangeable US military arm was either the 1842 or 1855 musket.

I'm sure the CMP will sell out several years worth of 1911s quite easily. And the price will incrementally increase every so often. Surplus used to mean worn and obsolete. Now surplus means collectable.

I have a CMP service grade HRA Garand. Even though it's not an "all correct" rifle so that it is all HRA,it is a reliable and accurate rifle. Clearly someone at the CMP made sure my M1 was ready for use. I expect they will do the same with the 1911s.

One thing about the CMP, their prices never go down. That $1000 arsenal rehabbed 1911a1 (mixmaster) will fetch $1200 in a few years.

 

[alwslate]

Who cares where the gun "was"? If it spent it's time in some storage locker in Virginia or on the island of Saipan, I want one.

Where was this $730 Garand "with almost new barrel"? Maybe Gomer Pyle carried it at the Artic Circle.

I have two rack grade Garands that I bought from the CMP
for less than $400 each. One is a Greek return that I selected
in person at the CMP North store and the other is a Danish
return that I ordered. The Danish rifles are all WW2 era and
I requested and received a rifle with a Winchester receiver.
I'm sure it was graded rack grade because of the condition
of the wood. A true mix master, but...it has a Danish VAR
barrel with an excellent bore. Maybe I just got lucky, but a
Garand with a Winchester receiver with an excellent barrel
for less than $400? I'm happy.

 

[kbm6893]

So you buy from a ripoff organization when it suits you, or the price is to your liking, I get it. And you took a chance sight unseen that you would get a good Garand but won't buy a 1911 sight unseen. Don't trust the CMP, you said you do? 1911 at a gunshop could be a bubba special, you know so much about a gov't 1911 to know the difference?

They obviously sold you Garands not at a loss, why would they do that, you wouldn't be able to buy any more if they went belly up.
Why then should they sell 1911's for any less than what THEY deem a cost to keep the organization going?


I believe the post before mine covers the financials.

As I have said before, 730 bucks for a service grade rifle is a very good deal. I was happy to pay it. A year before that same rifle was 675, an even better deal. I understand the cmp has operating costs, so I don't expect a rifle for 100 bucks.

But they're seizing on the excitement the release of genuine GI 1911's are getting and pricing them higher than they should, and while that is the right thing to do if you own a business, it is not the right thing to do if your stated purpose is to promote marksmanship. I can afford one of these 1911's, and might even buy one if I get a sense that a grand isn't gonna get me some bottom of the barrel trash. 1200 for a service grade 1911 comparable to either my service grade HRA, that looks like it was never even issued, or my service grade Springfield, that certainly was issued and used (8/43 receiver and barrel), would be fine by me. I'll see if the mood strikes me if and when they become available.

 

[alwslate]

I agree that the CMP appears to be trying to capitalize on the pent up
demand for the long awaited release of 1911s. Another thing, when I
went to the CMP store and was able to hand pick a 1903A3 and a rack
grade Garand one thing was very obvious to me. I looked at a lot of
rifles, including the 1917s. When buying the lower grade guns and
getting the next gun off the rack that they pick up and ship to you
a lot of buyers are going to be disappointed. A rack grade 1911 of
their choice for $1000 when a brand new Colt can be bought for
around $700? No.

 

[ladder13]

I bought a Python for $400. People bought Registered Mags for $500 maybe 10 years ago, now worth multiple thousands.
I have multiple Garands(none bought at current pricing, so what?), including 2 Collector Grades that I bought for less than a grand, one of which is a tractor gun. Good for me I guess, I must be a genius like some of you. So what? That was then this is now.

Saying how much you spent years ago has zero bearing on current day pricing, I don't see why people keep bringing that up, yesterday was yesterday. But keep repeating your "deal" if it floats your boat.

A Garand with new wood is hardly in the "it was there category" if you want to be so picky.

And with that I'm out of this back and forth

I'll try to be positive.

 

[TeaDub]

A thousand dollars for an old 1911? I would then have to spend money to put on a Beavertail, flat MSH, ambi-safety, mill some good sights on it, and Cerakote it in a flashy color.......




I'm kidding of course. I don't have a problem with CMP pricing so high. There will be people that pay it. There are a finite amount of these and owning one is important to many collectors.

As an Army Vet that carried a 1911 for years as an MP, I really don't have any desire for one of these. Perhaps IF I could find the one that I personally carried. Then again, maybe not as that thing was well worn. I'd rather grab a new production Springfield Mil-spec and take it to the range. I'm not a collector tho.

For those of you that are, hopefully these pistols will be released in short order.

 

[Donn]

A grand for a rack grade 1911? That means you'll have to spend another grand, (at least), getting it the way you want it. Any number of 1911's already built and ready to rock & roll for that kind of $$$.