CMP is selling Tisas 1911s

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This seems like an awful idea from a marketing perspective to me... Selling genuine U.S. Military 1911s, followed by a replica for a mere fraction of the cost.

The action could be interpreted as a form of indirect endorsement, with the seller being familiar with the genuine article, yet selling the replica as well, and I'm not sure how their customers who had to be put on a waiting list to pay a hefty premium might feel about that.
 
Echo40 said:
Selling genuine U.S. Military 1911s, followed by a replica for a mere fraction of the cost.

their customers who had to be put on a waiting list to pay a hefty premium might feel about that.
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I'd be OK with it. It's in the first line: genuine U.S. military vs. a replica. You pay more for the real deal, and they're getting harder to find. I think this is a reaction to underestimating the market. The demand was such they had to use waiting lists. This gives someone a lower cost option if they don't need it to be an original.
 
Echo40 said:
This seems like an awful idea from a marketing perspective to me... Selling genuine U.S. Military 1911s, followed by a replica for a mere fraction of the cost.

The action could be interpreted as a form of indirect endorsement, with the seller being familiar with the genuine article, yet selling the replica as well, and I'm not sure how their customers who had to be put on a waiting list to pay a hefty premium might feel about that.
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I'm guessing most of their customers are smart enough to realize there are a wide variety of 1911's available for purchase from a wide variety of retailers.

The CMP will run out of milsurp stuff eventually so I guess it makes sense.
 
FWIW, I have two Tisas that I use as suppressor host. One is 45 and the other is 9mm. Both are Nightstalker series and I couldn't be happier with them.
 
Since CMP has quit shipping the real McCoy maybe the Tisas will be the only thing available. :-(
I'm glad I got mine before the glitch. I understand they refunded the money of those who had pistols just about to be shipped.
 
LEO918 said:
One problem.
Tisas 1911s are selling all over town for $400.
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I agree. I'm not sure how many they'll sell for $479.99, but they've always said the sell their firearms at market price.
 
I wish them luck, but the government has almost never been very good at pricing to market. Just ask anyone who's been in an electronics section of a PX and seen all the aging computers/laptops/etc priced the same as when they were released 2-3 years before.
 
So a Chinese made gun is selling for a fraction of what a real one costs? Predictable.
 
How does this fit the CMP mission statement?

WHAT????

The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) seems to have forgotten the REAL purpose of the CIVILIAN MARKSMANSHIP PROGRAM!!

Too many people think the CMP is just a surplus outlet to get "cool deals" on Garands, 1903s, M1 carbines, etc.
Well guess what?
They are supposed to be fostering the improvement in marksmanship skills of Americans, using the small arms currently being issued to our troops, in order to facilitate better training and the defense of the country in time of war or national crisis. (Look up how many matches they DON'T offer anywhere near you, if you want to know how well they're fulfilling that role!)
The CMP is not, nor was it ever intended to be, a retail sales operation!!.
So, please stop using terms like "their customers"!

Gee Whiz, why not just offer Norinco SKS rifles made in China and tell every kid in an ROTC program or junior rifle program to use one for their "National Match" qualification?

Does anyone else see the irony in any of this as we approach, within days (!), the 80th Anniversary of D-DAY!!!!
 
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I have no objections to CMP selling a Tisas 1911, although I'm not sure how well they'll do with it. The Tisas does appear to be the best copy of a USGI 1911 that you can buy, but I can get one at my local shop without all the extra CMP paperwork. I've got so many Colts that I don't need a Tisas, but I wish them well.

It would be nice if CMP could get the 1911 program working again, this "audit" has certainly fouled things up. I would've liked a second CMP 1911, but if it never shows up at least I got my '39 Colt. I just bought another car, so I guess a delay until next year would help my finances anyway.
 
Read this, concerning the origins of the CMP, formerly known as the Department of Civilian Marksmanship:

"The 1903 War Department Appropriations Act. The original purpose was to provide civilians an opportunity to learn and practice marksmanship skills so they would be skilled marksmen if later called on to serve in the U.S. military. Formation was precipitated by adoption of the M1903 Springfield rifle as the national service arm. Civilians experienced with popular contemporary lever-action rifles were unable to sustain an equivalent rate of fire from the unfamiliar bolt action M1903 rifle.

Over the years the emphasis of the program shifted to focus on youth development through marksmanship. From 1916 until 1996 the CMP was administered by the U.S. Army. Title XVI of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1996 (Public Law 104-106, 10 February 1996) created the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice & Firearms Safety (CPRPFS) to take over administration and promotion of the CMP.[2] The CPRPFS is a tax-exempt non-profit 501(c)(3) corporation chartered by the U.S. Congress, but is not an agency of the U.S. government (Title 36, United States Code, Section 40701 et seq.). Apart from a donation of surplus .22 and .30 caliber rifles in the Army's inventory to the CMP, the CMP receives no federal funding."

The sale of legitimate U.S.military surplus small arms by the DCM (or CMP), was intended to fulfill two purposes:
1) provide an affordable means for citizens to compete in official National Matches where use of a service weapon is required.
2) provide secondary funding for the operation of the organization.
To ensure that purpose #1 was being legitimately fulfilled, you needed to provide proof that you were an active competitive shooter and a U.S. citizen.

Despite this, it seems that the only thing people can focus on here is "who's got the best price" on a cheapo 1911 knock-off!
The day may come, sooner than we expect, that we all come to regret neglecting the original purpose of the DCM or CMP.
 
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Back in the early 90's, I couldn't afford a new "bullseye" 45, so the guys at the local club said, shoot NRA Service Rifle matches with us once a month. I used a loaner M1 Garand for free and all the 30-06 ammo was Lake City surplus that cost me $3.00 a match...and I kept the brass lol.
Once I got classified "Sharpshooter" they explained how to acquire my own M1 Garand thru the DCM. They also explained that going thru the DCM that I was letting the government know that I was a capable marksman in case war broke out and they needed soldiers fast.
Anyway...filling out forms, getting fingerprinted and waiting about 2 years, it arrived on my front porch in Reading Pa.
By the time I got my M1, I was shooting NRA bullseye matches and never went back to service rifle.
Getting a rifle thru the DCM was a legal commitment, but the competitors who explained about getting the rifle said that I was probably too old back then to get drafted.
 
Saw a used one in excellent condition in a pawnshop a few weeks ago for $350.00 OTD. Bizarre move for the CMP, and no surprise they overpriced it!
 
I'm actually waiting on a Service Grade Garand to arrive. FedEx said today… looking like tomorrow.

If you go on CMP Forums, the last couple of days… maybe a week and a half… people have been reporting new Criterion barrels installed on their Service Grade Garands. No warning or heads up. I'm probably 50/50 on if I got a USGI barrel or not. I already have a more/less commercial Garand with a VAR barrel. This one was supposed to be something with history behind it. If I get a 2020s barrel… I'll contact CMP and see what options I have to return it. If I can pay the difference, wouldn't mind getting one of those Navy Mod 1 rifles.

Unfortunately, I think the CMP is getting to the end of the line. M1 Carbines are gone. M1903s… gone. Garands are pretty well dried up. After those… what large numbers of rifles can be sold? M14s are all machine guns. Maybe they will do AR lowers for A2 builds.

Or if they move into just handguns? Selling Tisas pistols aren't the end of the world, but I do think that we are starting to see the death rattles of CMP.
 
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