Concealed Carry and Open Carry
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"Concealed" is still easily recognized as something to keep clear of... not really concealed at all... 
Big Dave in WNC
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I'm as pro-gun as they come but some folks I see open carrying look like they don't have a clue and don't get me started on those $9 nylon holsters that flop around with a velcro strap over the tang!
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Big Dave in WNC
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Yeah I wondered after I posted... 
I work with different populations and have to stay current on the current terms THIS year.
I sometimes get "corrected" even though I THINK I'm using the term that we are told to use, or that even CAME FROM that population or their advocates. Until another year rolls by...
I work with different populations and have to stay current on the current terms THIS year.
I sometimes get "corrected" even though I THINK I'm using the term that we are told to use, or that even CAME FROM that population or their advocates. Until another year rolls by...
gjgalligan
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Yeah I wondered after I posted...
I work with different populations and have to stay current on the current terms THIS year.
I sometimes get "corrected" even though I THINK I'm using the term that we are told to use, or that even CAME FROM that population or their advocates. Until another year rolls by...
on the current terms THIS MORNING.
Concealed. My looks speak for themselves. People avoid me. I'd rather they be surprised if the need arose to pull my piece.
I love that Big Dave mentioned the nylon holsters. Oh buddy, you see it every day here in the place I'm in, just going shopping. They walk around with their chest often puffed out like they're special.
So, you dropped $500 + on a gun and couldn't afford a "decent" holster afterwards? Notably, this is often seen at Walmart. Probably where they bought the holster in sporting goods... God help us.
Also, life has gotten far too PC...
I love that Big Dave mentioned the nylon holsters. Oh buddy, you see it every day here in the place I'm in, just going shopping. They walk around with their chest often puffed out like they're special.
So, you dropped $500 + on a gun and couldn't afford a "decent" holster afterwards? Notably, this is often seen at Walmart. Probably where they bought the holster in sporting goods... God help us.
Also, life has gotten far too PC...
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One of the biggest components of my long and illustrious Security "Career" was all the animals that I ran into while I was out doing my rounds. Bears, bobcats, coyotes, foxes, one MountainLion, elk, skunks and porcupines.
True story bro, stand in front of a porcupine and it will walk right over your feet like you're not there. I've never known a porcupine to be even mildly aggressive.
Skunks, in addition to having very distinct markings that everybody knows what they mean(AKA Open Carrying), I'm not sure if "aggressive" is the right word but they don't back down an inch.
I think skunks should be the open carriers in this anology
True story bro, stand in front of a porcupine and it will walk right over your feet like you're not there. I've never known a porcupine to be even mildly aggressive.
Skunks, in addition to having very distinct markings that everybody knows what they mean(AKA Open Carrying), I'm not sure if "aggressive" is the right word but they don't back down an inch.
I think skunks should be the open carriers in this anology
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CAJUNLAWYER
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Back in the day (the 70's), one would just go to the local ER and for 45 dollars you got a short arm inspection and a shot of penicillin and your parents would never know. Or so I've been told....
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Trust me, CC have been using $9 holsters just as long as anyone else.
If I had a $9 holster and (or) a plastic pistol I would CC.
Larry
Wow. Another comedian. 
The only person that needs to know I'm carrying is ME. My wife, local LE, and close friends know, and that I would back them up anyway possible. A bad guy does not need to be forewarned. Be Safe,
I was in Meijers a few years ago when the open carry argument was going hot and heavy when I see these two guys in their late 20s standing there with some big irons on their hips. I could tell they weren't cops, they looked like fish out of water. They were there to show that they know the law and can OC. All they were doing was causing the soccer moms to hustle their children away from the area.
I walked up behind them and asked rather loudly "Hey, what's going on?" They were both startled as they were not even aware that I had got within a few feet of them and didn't know what to say. I then told them that I could have had their guns before they even knew it.
Not a word. They left and haven't been seen since.
Note. Hard core criminal/prisoners practice gun stripping.
I walked up behind them and asked rather loudly "Hey, what's going on?" They were both startled as they were not even aware that I had got within a few feet of them and didn't know what to say. I then told them that I could have had their guns before they even knew it.
Not a word. They left and haven't been seen since.
Note. Hard core criminal/prisoners practice gun stripping.
I have nothing against open carry (OC) but it's not for me. Everyone I've seen who is OCing usually fit the description noted by others here and I steer clear of them. While OC is legal where I live it is unusual enough to draw unwanted LE attention from people calling the cops demanding that LEOs "do something". Preferring to be the Gray Man I'll keep things in a pocket holster and hope I'll never need it.
I think that open carry is location dependent. I live in Apex, NC, near Raleigh and Cary. If someone open carries here and is seen the police will be called and "Karen" would have a panic attack while dialing 911.
I was raised in a very rural county in North central NC and still have a farm there. If someone is seen open carrying there virtually no one pays any attention to it, particularly if its hunting season. If someone called the Sheriff's Office there about an open carrier, the telecommunicator would just laugh at them.
I've been in a restaurant near the farm when hunting and seen more than half the patrons open carrying. Several times when many were open carrying there were State Troopers and Sheriff's Deputies eating in the restaurant. They paid no attention to the armed patrons and only spoke to them if they knew them, usually asking if they had any luck hunting. AND by the way, the restaurant has on-premise alcohol permits, "oh the horror."
I have been a sworn LEO for more than 46 years. For over 30, I was a full time state agent who worked in plain clothes. Depending on where we were, sometimes we open carried, but usually with a visible badge. If we were in a large city, then we always covered our weapon. As I said above, it was a location dependent issue.
The issue is that some people open carry to try to provoke people into saying something. They do it in a place or in a manner to intentionally be seen and try to provoke controversy. Those people, I have no use for.
I was raised in a very rural county in North central NC and still have a farm there. If someone is seen open carrying there virtually no one pays any attention to it, particularly if its hunting season. If someone called the Sheriff's Office there about an open carrier, the telecommunicator would just laugh at them.
I've been in a restaurant near the farm when hunting and seen more than half the patrons open carrying. Several times when many were open carrying there were State Troopers and Sheriff's Deputies eating in the restaurant. They paid no attention to the armed patrons and only spoke to them if they knew them, usually asking if they had any luck hunting. AND by the way, the restaurant has on-premise alcohol permits, "oh the horror."
I have been a sworn LEO for more than 46 years. For over 30, I was a full time state agent who worked in plain clothes. Depending on where we were, sometimes we open carried, but usually with a visible badge. If we were in a large city, then we always covered our weapon. As I said above, it was a location dependent issue.
The issue is that some people open carry to try to provoke people into saying something. They do it in a place or in a manner to intentionally be seen and try to provoke controversy. Those people, I have no use for.
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I just don't see the point in open carrying. For bad guys, you become the first person they try to disarm so that they can get a gun. For the straights, it just freaks them out. I prefer to go everywhere, and I mean everywhere, armed. And that means staying concealed. People only need to know I'm armed when the material hits the fan.
Miami_JBT
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It is illegal to generally open carry in the state of Florida. We're suing the state to change that.
Gun Owners of America fights Florida'''s ban on carrying firearms openly: '''Blatant infringement''' | Fox News
Gun Owners of America fights Florida'''s ban on carrying firearms openly: '''Blatant infringement''' | Fox News
I never open carry. I conceal carry, always everywhere when legal. I would feel like I was in the fishbowl. There is no reason this fat old man needs to walk around with a gun visible. Between possibly banging it on everything you walk by, to being a target for any punks trying to make you look stupid. Then there is scaring the heck out of people that can't understand why anyone would carry a gun. ALWAYS CARRY, NEVER TELL !
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You've got to pick your battles. This one with Florida isn't it. GOA, of which I'm a member, has better things to do with its money than fight a state that's generally friendly to the 2A. Better to spend that money fighting the blue states banning semi-autos and the stupid magazine capacity limitations.
Miami_JBT
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We're fighting those too. I'm the FL State Director. Do you want me to just let Floridians continue to have their rights violated? Or do you want me to do my job? We fight across the country, not just a few places. Floridians' 2A rights are just as important as those in New York and Illinois. Again, we're fighting there too.
And Florida isn't 2A friendly. Legally speaking, there is no right to carry. Only listed exemptions which are only an affirmative defense. You can be following the law and still be arrested in Florida. Which exactly is why we're suing because it has happened.
Floridians 18 and up should have the legal choice in how they want to carry. Florida doesn't do that. It is an under-21 carry ban and an open-carry ban. And we're going to fix that issue.
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I want the national GOA to use its (meaning my) money wisely. Fighting Florida isn't it. Do I want you to "do your job"? No, if it's wasting GOA money, which your suit is.
Miami_JBT
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Thanks for sharing that you think restoring the rights of millions of Americans in FL isn't up to your cup of tea.
Super Trucker
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So how often do you bang your gun on everything you walk by?
You don't honestly believe a tee shirt prevents this do you?
There are about half a dozen OCers that have had their guns taken from them, guess what, just as many CCers have lost their guns. Again you don't think a tee shirt prevents theft do you?
Do an internet search " concealed carrier loses gun" or has gun grabbed.
Why OC,
hmmmmm its faster to draw.
Those with shoulder/elbow injuries have a hard time moving the magical tee shirt.
The conversations you have with people.
I've switched about a dozen anti gun people to daily carriers by tucking my shirt in, which allows them to ask questions.
If you don't want to OC, then don't but please stop parroting untrue statements.
I started OCing because cops were harassing gun owners. After a decade of educating them I now mostly CC. A group in Michigan had attorneys and filed lawsuits for us then after winning we were able to teach the cops what the laws actually say. You don't hear much about cops harassing gun owners here these days, so it worked.
I'm pretty sure I'm using English, and I know that I didn't use those words. If you think there are unlimited resources, then go for it. But you have to be honest and acknowledge that there aren't. So again, you pick the battles where you can do the most good. Fighting for open carry isn't one of them, in a state that has permitless concealed carry.
Miami_JBT
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Amendment XIV: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Under the 14th Amendment, the State of Florida has violated the rights of Floridians due to the passage of legislation that restricts their rights to keep and bear arms. Laws that were specifically passed with the purpose of restricting a certain class of people of their right to keep and bear arms. Laws to the point that the State Supreme Court admitted in 1941 that the laws were drafted in a manner to disarm certain classes of people.
"I know something of the history of this legislation. The original Act of 1893 was passed when there was a great influx of negro laborers in this State drawn here for the purpose of working in turpentine and lumber camps.
The statute was never intended to be applied to the white population and in practice has never been so applied.
We have no statistics available, but it is a safe guess to assume that more than 80% of the white men living in the rural sections of Florida have violated this statute.
It is also a safe guess to say that not more than 5% of the men in Florida who own pistols and repeating rifles have ever applied to the Board of County Commissioners for a permit to have the same in their possession and there has never been, within my knowledge, any effort to enforce the provisions of this statute as to white people, because it has been generally conceded to be in contravention to the Constitution and non-enforceable if contested." - Justice Buford, Waston v. Stone, 1941
The law that Justice Buford was discussing in that court opinion, is still on the books in Florida.
Under the 14th Amendment and the Bruen decision, the laws banning the carrying of arms in FL are a direct violation of the 2nd Amendment via the 14th Amendment and unconstitutional.
More so since FL law is drafted in a manner that it is illegal to carry a firearm. There are only certain exemptions in which one can carry and they're only an affirmative defense. Which means, you can be abiding by the law, and still be arrested, and the arrest would be legal.
Which has happened, multiple times in Florida.
If you actually read the declaration, you'll see what happened to Mr. John Leggitt. He was arrested on his own property for defending his daughter while exercising his 2nd Amendment rights.
But you're claiming that fighting such is a waste of time.
You're claiming that Floridians don't count.
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Well for OC to be the equivalent to a porcupine, the porcupines quills need to also be made out of dollar bills, crack, or gold. When most criminals see a gun open carried on someone's hip, they see a very enticing reason to attack that person.
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Why can't gun owners in Florida fight for the legalization of OC AND other gun rights that are important to them (and don't concern you) simultaneously? Since you do not believe that Floridians should be fighting to legalize OC, what, in your opinion, gun rights should they be fighting that they do jot currently have and that will not be trumped by Federal law?
While I'm against OC and think those who OC in inappropriate or densely populated areas are fools, I don't think it should be mostly black/white criminal offense. If someone, for example, in rural FL wants to OC, they should be allowed to.
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This is the same post that I post every time this topic comes up. The only thing that's different is that I no longer work so I no longer open carry at work.
My experience with open carry is that it causes more problems than it solves. I'm aware that 95% of people you encounter won't even notice you're armed but 5% will and of that group some percentage will immediately start thinking about how they can take that gun off of you.
I open carry at work when my assignment requires it. Apart from work I haven't open carried in about ten years. At work I've had one instance where two guys knew I was armed and tried to rob me. and two other instances in which someone tried to take my gun from me.
The biggest issue that I see with most people that open carry is it they are absolutely convinced that the bad guy is going to take one look at their Mighty Boomstick and go someplace else. There are people out there who are not intimidated by the fact that you're carrying a gun in the slightest.
This is not a new experience for them. You are not the first person to threaten them with violence. you're not the first person that's ever pointed a gun at them.The odds are that your very first time dealing with a violent criminal offender will be their 100th time dealing with somebody like you. They're a lot more comfortable with violence than you are. They don't have the inhibitions against using violence we do and they're not thinking about the consequences like normal people are.
I am aware that people open carry for years without incident. I open carried for years without incident until I didn't. What I am saying is it if you choose to open carry a firearm you had better have a plan for what you're going to do when somebody tries to take it off you.
My experience with open carry is that it causes more problems than it solves. I'm aware that 95% of people you encounter won't even notice you're armed but 5% will and of that group some percentage will immediately start thinking about how they can take that gun off of you.
I open carry at work when my assignment requires it. Apart from work I haven't open carried in about ten years. At work I've had one instance where two guys knew I was armed and tried to rob me. and two other instances in which someone tried to take my gun from me.
The biggest issue that I see with most people that open carry is it they are absolutely convinced that the bad guy is going to take one look at their Mighty Boomstick and go someplace else. There are people out there who are not intimidated by the fact that you're carrying a gun in the slightest.
This is not a new experience for them. You are not the first person to threaten them with violence. you're not the first person that's ever pointed a gun at them.The odds are that your very first time dealing with a violent criminal offender will be their 100th time dealing with somebody like you. They're a lot more comfortable with violence than you are. They don't have the inhibitions against using violence we do and they're not thinking about the consequences like normal people are.
I am aware that people open carry for years without incident. I open carried for years without incident until I didn't. What I am saying is it if you choose to open carry a firearm you had better have a plan for what you're going to do when somebody tries to take it off you.
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