Concealed Carry Comfort

I do not care for a tactical "poo sandwich" either, and unless I, we, are on offense the tactical situation belongs to the attacker... initially. As defensive as we are in carry and practice we just have to bring some toilet paper, in an effective caliber, to help clean up the mess and try to get the upper hand and failing that try to mitigate the carnage as much as possible. That is what, I hope, I will try to do.... I do not plan to fight my way out and leave the sheep behind as long as I have ammo.
 
What I take objection to is saying that, "You need to have X, or you're not prepared," where X is a type of gun or a number of rounds.

I think what it really comes down to is awareness, mindset, and proficiency. But that's a whole 'nother thing.

I would also suggest that you're not looking at the upsides of a revolver compared to a semiautomatic. For one thing, the manual of arms is a lot simpler. There's no slide to manipulate, and no safety to leave on. If you suffer a misfire, it's not the end of the world--just keep squeezing the trigger. It's hard--but not impossible--to jam up, and there's no magazine to damage or wear.

Is a semiautomatic faster to reload? Maybe. It still requires two working hands, and it's still easy to fumble. I would submit that it--and this is in no way a jab at pistol fellows--requires less skill and practice to reload effectively.

But even there, the humble J-frame has advantages. For the same bulk and weight of a semiautomatic pistol and two magazines, one can carry two pocket revolvers.

Not that I ever would. If I thought I seriously needed two revolvers to go someplace, I'd have to seriously reconsider going there! Which is a luxury I have, being responsible only to and for myself.

The other thing is--not all of us have access to high-capacity magazines. In my state, for instance, we're limited to 10 officially, and anything over 7 exists in a legal gray area. So there's really not much of a gap between a 7+1 and a 5 or a 6.



There is such a thing as fighting your way out of a bad situation.

Now, you may be in a place where there are no alternative exits, but I never much cared for a tactical poo sandwich like that.

I agree with everything you said, EXCEPT: I never claimed, argued, or implied, that you need x or you're not prepared. Go back and read very carefully what I wrote in all previous posts. I never argued or implied that you aren't prepared if you have a 5 shot revolver. So I think we are arguing past one another. Carry the 5-shot J-frame. You are prepared for armed conflict. I carry revolvers, or bottom feeders, and each gun prepares me to varying degrees for various types of situations. That's all.
 
I'm old and broke and physically limited. I don't go to clubs and avoid large crowds. Haven't been to a large shopping mall in years. I figure these factors somewhat mitigate the odds of my blundering into a band of AK-toting terrorists with RPGs, and may even limit my chances of encountering five heavily-armed gang-bangers.

Sure, it can happen, anywhere and any time, but I'm content to play the percentages.

The way I'm built (oddly) makes IWB or OWB difficult to conceal, no matter how I dress.

I'm comfortable carrying an all-steel J-frame--quicker to recover than an Airweight, and certainly better than "the speed of a musket" (considerable hyperbole there)--in a pocket holster.

It's a personal decision everyone who carries a gun must make for himself. That's mine.
 
I do not plan to fight my way out and leave the sheep behind as long as I have ammo.

That is 100% my plan--F E And R.

I'm a private citizen, not a sworn LEO or active military or any such thing. So it's a matter of where my ethical duty lies.

Suppose I take one in the neck, and wind up a quadriplegic? Insurance might not cover me, depending on how much public noise I might attract. And even if it does, I'll be a burden to my family for as long as I'm stuck in my now-useless body. I know a guy that quad-ed himself diving into a swimming pool. It ain't pretty.

But--if you're a veteran, your ethical duties might be different. I never studied that in any depth. Didn't make its way into a lot of my textbooks, as you can imagine. Duty to family wasn't approved by my profs, either, but they were a bunch of wrong-headed socialists.
 
crazyphil,

There are a lot of factors that must be resolved before carrying a gun. I can tell you from years' experience, if a gun ain't comfortable, you might be prone to leaving it behind.

Probably the most comfortable way that I've carried a concealed handgun was inside of an inside jacket pocket. But that won't work in warm weather, and it will delay bringing a gun to battery. I've left that mode of carry behind in my 20's.

I've since bought a dedicated gun belt that's .25" thick and a Galco Avenger holster. An excellent quality dedicated gun belt will make carrying a lot easier. I have two, both .25': thick: a 1.5" wide for urban carry and one that's 1.75 inches wide for wilderness carry.
 
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Visualize massive retaliation, eh. In a perfect world...

However, I'm just an old guy who wants to defend myself and family, if the need arises. That old guy in Maine who was having all his meds stolen by local junkies is more the scenario I'm likely to face. A 38 snubby suits me just fine.

Not to mention that in here in the Northeast it's hard enough to carry an M638 concealed without tripping over hopolophobic laws. Most of the stuff on your wish list... don't think I could figure out how to carry any of it concealed. I assume you were joking for effect. ;)

So, If I ever face that scenario and can't escape, I guess I'll just lay low till they get in range then try to take as many of those Sharia Vigilante's / Nuts with me as I can. Till then I'll be at the range seeing how far downrange I can shoot 8" groups. :)

A famous writer once said, "There are no dangerous weapons, there are only dangerous men."
Pray for safety; but prepare for war.
 
They passed Constitutional Carry in Maine last year. Anyone who is not forbidden to carry a weapon can carry concealed now. People and LEOs had the same concerns.

The net result is that the Training Classes for concealed carry have been maxed out with new students since the new law went into effect. Despite the fact that stupid people can now carry concealed the result is that the vast majority of folks aren't stupid. People want to know how to handle their guns safely even when the law doesn't require it.

I guess we gun guys & gals need to have more faith in the American people to arm themselves responsibly. Leave the toxic skepticism to the Progressive gun-grabbers who want to keep guns out of the hands of everyone except their private body-guards.....(oh did I write that????) :D
 
When I was deciding on what to do for summer carry I was looking at a small revolver for pocket carry. I wanted something that worked in shorts and would be a good self defense gun. The problem with a revolver (for me) was reloading. A speed loader is to bulky for my pockets and I dont think a speed strip would work for me in a bad situation. So I went with a BG 380 in a De Santis pocket holster and Winchester PDX1 95 grain Defender ammo and a second magazine in my pocket, the perfect option for me..
 
After carrying a concealed weapon daily for more than 4 decades, I finally came to the conclusion that there is really no comfortable way to carry a gun, and looked for the LEAST UNCOMFORTABLE method.

Depending on attire, my EDC is normally a S&W 642, carried in either a square cut Mika's pocket holster or a Mitch Rosen "Duncan’s Ankle" ankle holster.
 
I wear a suit 5 days/week in every season. Consequently, my focus is on wearing a good belt and an excellent holster made for carrying a service pistol. This allows me to comfortably carry my BHP, any 1911 I own, or my favorite DA/SA pistol, a Beretta 92g. If I'm home and wearing casual clothes, I'll carry a Smith & Wesson M&P BG 380 in an IWB holster with my shirt draped over it.


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It's been my experience that cute little radio jingles absent music... comforting not comfortable ... is of little help to the decision process.

For me, a carry gun must to be comfortable and not bothersome through the day or I simply won't carry it all the time. Since I'm not interested in carrying part time, I drop an LCP in my pants pocket in the morning and it stays there till bedtime. I don't feel the need to disarm myself every time I walk in the front door of my home then forget when I leave again or rationalize it's not worth the bother for a walk down the street, just a short ride to the store... on and on and on... no thanks.

My full size handguns lay around all day holding down the safe while my LCP is out working for a living. So ya know... it is what it is.

The LCP has minimal sights and I have old tired eyes. I'm comfortable with the performance of both for the intended purpose.

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The chance of winning the powerball lottery are much higher than the average citizen having to confront multiple or even a single terrorist. That's just reality. That does not mean you don't practice and train. You are carrying a deadly weapon. You damn well better know hoow to use it competently. That said, I'd rather hit the target with a .380 than miss with a .45.
 
I agree that comfort is a factor. However, there is much to be said for comforting.

The biggest mistake made by those new to concealed carry, is buying a gun that's too small. Nothing wrong with small guns, but can you shoot it well enough? If you can't use the gun effectively, what's the point? I've watched many miss the entire target from 3 yards. Do you want people with this level of skill carrying a gun? How is the gun comforting if you can't hit anything with it?

The second mistake is not practicing. They think, "I've got a gun so, I'm safe." Believe it or not, I know lots of people who've only ever fired their gun at the mandated training class. Sad really.

Too small, too big, too heavy, too light... people discover they have made a mistake after purchase for all sorts of reasons.

I believe the most common mistake, speaking from personal experience and those I know, is buying guns that are larger/heavier than folks are willing to carry. "What's the point" of a carry gun left at home?

I agree it's a mistake to not adequately train, whether for a gun to carry of home defense. That said, countless untrained inexperienced people successfully use guns to defend themselves. That's not an endorsement for a lack of training, just reality.
 
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Want real comfort - make your own

I tried internet cheap-o's and a two more expensive "name brand" pocket carry holsters. The more expensive ones were the best of the lot.

But none of them were 'just right'. So, I decided to learn from the commercial holsters construction techniques an make my own holster to fit "my own" pockets.

Just finished sewing, riveting and gluing it together from Kydex (good stuff) and thin double faced neoprene. So far it is much more comfortable that the "professionally done" ones I bought. It also sits lower in my pocket (better concealment) and rides better (no shifting around when I move or walk).

Time will tell, but I think I may have a good prototype design. I'm happy with it anyway;... until I come up with Revision 2. :D
 
During a break one of my students was telling me about his latest gun.
Custom made 1911 with all the bells and whistles. Cost over $3,500.
I asked if I could see it. He said you could, but it's at home in the safe.
I said I have a better gun than that. He said you do, what is it? I said
it's a Colt Agent .38 Spl. Real smooth action. A lot of the parkerizing is
worn off, but it shoots straight. Got it at a pawn shop for $250. How
in Hell do you figure that's better than mine? He asked. Because it's
right here. I pulled up my shirt and showed him. The best one is the
one you have when/if you need it. Right?
 
Each of us has our own definition of comfort. For some comfort is a high capacity semi auto. For others it's a J frame or mouse gun stuffed in a pocket.

Some believe comfort is a fine leather holster worn on the belt. And others a kydex holster worn IWB.

And to some comfort is a gun on the belt and a long gun in the trunk.

In context, considering the time when the statement was made and the comparatively small variety of handguns available, it is most "likely" that Col. Cooper was addressing complaints about the discomfort of carrying the heavy all steel guns of the day.
 
During a break one of my students was telling me about his latest gun.
Custom made 1911 with all the bells and whistles. Cost over $3,500.
I asked if I could see it. He said you could, but it's at home in the safe.
I said I have a better gun than that. He said you do, what is it? I said
it's a Colt Agent .38 Spl. Real smooth action. A lot of the parkerizing is
worn off, but it shoots straight. Got it at a pawn shop for $250. How
in Hell do you figure that's better than mine? He asked. Because it's
right here. I pulled up my shirt and showed him. The best one is the
one you have when/if you need it. Right?

Hehehehehe....LOVE it! :)
 
Sure smaller guns are easier to make comfortable. However, holster design is more important than the size/shape of the firearm.

I have comfortably carried a Glock 17 IWB before and uncomfortably carried an LCP.
 
I have never found any gun, with any IWB holster to be comfortable, in any way!

For me, a Galco Concealable holster, or a Galco FLETCH, if you need retention, is hard to beat! Both are OWB, real leather, high-ride, stable, and lay flat against your body. Now that's comfort! I even forget I'm wearing it, even with a medium size pistol. Large pistols, still very comfortable, but due to the weight, you'll know it's there.
 
crazyphil,

Great thread.

If a gun's not comfortable to carry, I'm more apt to leave it behind.

I've gone all comfort. I have excellent holsters and, as important, excellent quality 100% leather gun belts: one 1.5 wide and .25" thick leather for urban carry & the other 1.75" wide and .25" thick leather for hunting and fishing.

From my experience, a 1911A1 is the easiest gun to conceal and carry comfortably. The smaller sized ones would probably be better. But the full-size 1911A1 has the most natural point of any handgun I've ever held. The 1911 seems to have been designed to carry comfortably.

If I'm wearing the right belt, I can carry my S&W 1911 at my strong side waistline by stuffing it inside my pants, although I'd never recommend this carry for anyone. When I have carried in such a manner, it was for a short time such as running into a local stop & rob.

Good leather, holster & belt, and hand gunners will be forever happy.

BTW, I've carried a Model 60 in darn near every conceivable manner. But If I were to carry it for an extended period of time, I'd use my Galco Speed Paddle, which, for me, is all money.
 
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