Concealed carry in Post Offices
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Don't start none there won't be none.
Until someone calls the cops.
Saw a guy walking into my VA this morning with an empty holster. I see people doing it once or twice a month.
I don't understand why people persist in poking the bear. All it takes is the wrong VA cop on the wrong day. and you're (not you specifically) going to jail
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Small PO in my town here in Central Alabama -- no signage = CC to me.
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From recent revelations regarding usps so called service they should be Privatized. Essentially they are only operating to fund the retirement program and dont give a hoot about delivering the mail. I had a friend here that retired as a clerk, the stories he told.They are not actually a government agency so they should not have the no CCW rule.
We had a recent thread on this topic, CCW at the PO, and a poster commented that it is a misdemeanor to do so.
As I posted above. It is against Federal Law to carry in a USPO No sign needed
Why do so many think it's OK for them? Maybe be the poster boy if you get caught?. Our PO has metal detectors. Hey why not try to carry into a Federal Courthouse? Even for work all our items placed on the conveyor belt x rayed and scanned and you were wanded. Much like going to the airport
Why do so many think it's OK for them? Maybe be the poster boy if you get caught?. Our PO has metal detectors. Hey why not try to carry into a Federal Courthouse? Even for work all our items placed on the conveyor belt x rayed and scanned and you were wanded. Much like going to the airport
Notice the Word Federal buildings
Concealed Carry in Maine | Maine State Police
The law does not otherwise change where a person may carry or who may possess a firearm. It will still be illegal to possess a firearm in the following places, with some very limited exceptions:
- Courthouses (17-A M.R.S. § 1058)
- State Parks (12 M.R.S. § 1803(6), (7) and Bureau of Parks and Lands Rules Chapter 1)
- Acadia National Park (12 M.R.S. § 756)
- Schools (20-A M.R.S. § 6552)
- Federal buildings (18 U.S.C. § 930)
- State Capitol area (25 M.R.S. § 2904 & DPS Rule Chapter 41)
- Private property when prohibited by the property owner
- Establishments licensed for on-premises consumption of liquor, if the premises are posted. Note that even if there is no posted prohibition, it is illegal to carry on these premises while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or drugs. (17-A M.R.S. §1057)
- Wildlife Sanctuaries (as listed in 12 M.R.S. § 12707)
- Labor disputes and strikes (32 M.R.S. § 9412(5))
- Baxter State Park (as prohibited by Rules)
Allagash Wilderness Waterway (as prohibited by rules)
Most Post Offices are not "Federal Buildings." They are leased space from private parties, which don't hit that definition . . .Notice the Word Federal buildings
Concealed Carry in Maine | Maine State Police
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The law does not otherwise change where a person may carry or who may possess a firearm. It will still be illegal to possess a firearm in the following places, with some very limited exceptions:
- Courthouses (17-A M.R.S. § 1058)
- State Parks (12 M.R.S. § 1803(6), (7) and Bureau of Parks and Lands Rules Chapter 1)
- Acadia National Park (12 M.R.S. § 756)
- Schools (20-A M.R.S. § 6552)
- Federal buildings (18 U.S.C. § 930)
- State Capitol area (25 M.R.S. § 2904 & DPS Rule Chapter 41)
- Private property when prohibited by the property owner
- Establishments licensed for on-premises consumption of liquor, if the premises are posted. Note that even if there is no posted prohibition, it is illegal to carry on these premises while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or drugs. (17-A M.R.S. §1057)
- Wildlife Sanctuaries (as listed in 12 M.R.S. § 12707)
- Labor disputes and strikes (32 M.R.S. § 9412(5))
- Baxter State Park (as prohibited by Rules)
Allagash Wilderness Waterway (as prohibited by rules)
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Post Offices are specifically called out in the prohibition, I don't think that the ownership of the building comes into play. I certainly don't want to be the test case on that one. I live in Florida and I still don't trust the single Fl. Judges postion that the ban is invalid a higher court could flip that ruling on its head and a person could be left out in the cold trying to defend on that basis. What I do believe is that if you were convicted for carrying a firearm into a PO, you would lose your ability to own firearms going forward. I have made it my policy, throughout my life to abide by the law, whether I like the law or not, I am not changing that in my 70s. I have enjoyed seeing jails and prisons from the outside only.
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I doubt this method of splitting hairs would hold much weight.
Once the Federal Government leases that building it in essence becomes a federal building. At least in the parts they lease, if there are other areas inside of the building that are not leased by the Feds.
It actually does hold weight. It doesn't become a federal building upon the lease. But I've had experience with that. You do you . . .
We have post offices here in flyover county that occupy parts of convenience stores and banks. Totally not federal buildings . . .
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My local red state P O has removed the described poster.
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Here's what I found, for your reviewing pleasure:
Under the Constitution, governmental entities have the same rights as private property owners to control their properties, so long as the entity's policies are not employed as a subterfuge for illegal discrimination. In Adderley v. Florida, which concerned a defendant's challenge to the validity of Florida's trespass statute,the US Supreme Court recognized: “The United States Constitution does not forbid a State to control the use of its own property for its own lawful nondiscriminatory purpose.” 385 U.S. 39, 48, 87S.Ct. 242, 17 L.Ed.2d 149 (1966)
To me, this ruling says that regardless of the ownership of the property - private party or governmental agency - whatever rules they make are the rules we have to abide by. Here in sunny Florida, our CC law says that federal facilities and private property can make their own rules - but while Post Offices are not specifically listed, the law does include a prohibition for concealed carry in "Places of nuisance"!
Under the Constitution, governmental entities have the same rights as private property owners to control their properties, so long as the entity's policies are not employed as a subterfuge for illegal discrimination. In Adderley v. Florida, which concerned a defendant's challenge to the validity of Florida's trespass statute,the US Supreme Court recognized: “The United States Constitution does not forbid a State to control the use of its own property for its own lawful nondiscriminatory purpose.” 385 U.S. 39, 48, 87S.Ct. 242, 17 L.Ed.2d 149 (1966)
To me, this ruling says that regardless of the ownership of the property - private party or governmental agency - whatever rules they make are the rules we have to abide by. Here in sunny Florida, our CC law says that federal facilities and private property can make their own rules - but while Post Offices are not specifically listed, the law does include a prohibition for concealed carry in "Places of nuisance"!
We have a PO in a large locally owned hardware store. It’s in the back, 40 feet from the entrance, manned by store employees. You going in unarmed even when just looking for a drain plug?
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All the post offices around here--at least six--are individual USPS-owned facilities.
About 75% of US Post Offices are leased, so I call that which makes grass green and fragrant . . .
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If it is manned by store employees it is a contract facility and not a US Post Office.
The PO has lots of contract locations but they are not considered post offices per se.
Post Offices are staffed by postal employees not the guy selling you nails and paint.
And I like me pretty well so I will.
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About 10 years ago I was in a supermarket in Houma Louisiana. There was a staffed post office kiosk at the front of the store. I didn't ask anybody, but I did wonder how that works. Can I go into the store but not go to the kiosk? Could I not carry anywhere including the parking lot of the supermarket?
As it happened I did not bring a gun with me on that trip.
As it happened I did not bring a gun with me on that trip.
I CCW 24/7/365 wherever I’m at, to include the USPO. Most of them know I’m retired LE. If there was an active shooter in the PO, they’d probably be targeting USPS personnel first and I wouldn’t stand for that. Good reason to be armed...
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