Concealed carry in Post Offices

[Doug M.]

Clarifying my response from yesterday: Concealed means concealed. NO ONE should ever know if you are carrying except under the most unusual circumstances. The difficulty presented by any location's restrictions is not the restriction, it is the fact that it may require either doing all of your errands unarmed, which is well past stupid, or removing and storing your gun in a semi-public setting and being observed, which is at best unsound.

Understand this: decent armed people are HATED by some parts of society. If you make it easy for them to take or initiate action against you (like calling the cops), you are an irresponsible fool. I dealt with people like that in LE. This is one of the reasons I view the cosmetic concerns of other (how do these grips look, for example) as inane and irrelevant.

I have spent most of my adult like in LE and prosecution. I like conflict. I loved getting into a courtroom and mocking and humiliating my opponents. I am not "nice". I am useful. I wrote nasty briefs and called people out for their stupidity on a regular basis. A few months ago, I stated on the record that the analysis in part of an opponent's motion was "apples and lug nuts" and asked for terms for frivolous pleading. That said, drawing attention to yourself in this manner is well past stupid and harms all of us. One should pick their battles and this is simply not one to pick.

 

[Eddie Southgate]

No such sign in my post office , just the one saying it is illegal to rob a postal employee. I don't take mine off but I also don't call attention to it either.

 

[Sal1950]

This thread is a good study on the peril of asking legal questions online.

Specially one that has no one correct answer.
ROTF --------

 

[65-2x2]

To put it in a simple nut-shell, to carry a firearm into a postal facility is clearly illegal. It doesn't make a damn whether the laws are right or just or unjust, Constitutional or not (we, as individuals, don't get to decide such lofty matters). People make decisions, every day, as to whether they want to want to be a law follower or a law breaker and you are free to choose. If you think that the law is unjust and it means enough to you, fight to have it overturned, that is the American way, but if the fluke gets you get busted, for breaking the law, no whinning, moaning or complaining.

 

[Oldsalt66]

Specially one that has no one correct answer.
ROTF --------

The correct answer straight from the US Postal Service:

Possessing a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a federal facility for
other than official purposes, causing such a weapon to be present, or
attempting to do so are punishable by a fine, imprisonment for up to
1 year, or both.

If the prohibited weapon is intended to be used to commit a
crime, the penalty is an increased fine, imprisonment for up to 5 years, or both.
See Title 18, United States Code, Section 930.

No person on U.S. Postal Service® property may carry or store firearms,
explosives, or other dangerous or deadly weapons, either openly or concealed,
except for official purposes. See Title 39, Code of Federal Regulations,
Section 232.1.

Except for employees authorized by the chief postal inspector or the inspector
general, USPS® employees are prohibited from possessing, carrying, or storing
firearms while on duty, either on or off USPS property, and at any time on or
within USPS property. See Administrative Support Manual, Section 276.22.

 

[Sal1950]

The correct answer straight from the US Postal Service:

Then depending on the time, place, and circumstances you have to balance that against the ole adage,
Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

 

[rwsmith]

I got a message from the Royal Mail in England telling me they had a parcel of mine. Then a day later they sent me a notice that the package was in the US. Several days later I haven't heard anything and don't know where my package is.

Oh, and as far as concealed carry in the Post Office goes. Remember where the term 'Going Postal' comes from. I don't think they will willingly accept concealed carry in post office.

 

[Eddie Southgate]

I got a message from the Royal Mail in England telling me they had a parcel of mine. Then a day later they sent me a notice that the package was in the US. Several days later I haven't heard anything and don't know where my package is.

Oh, and as far as concealed carry in the Post Office goes. Remember where the term 'Going Postal' comes from. I don't think they will willingly accept concealed carry in post office.

Indianapolis or Chicago is usually where packages go to be lost , occasionally Cincinnati .

 

[rwsmith]

Indianapolis or Chicago is usually where packages go to be lost , occasionally Cincinnati .

Oh, I hope not. (In a voice like Bill Dana)

 

[rwsmith]

Oh, I hope not. (In a voice like Bill Dana when asked if his astronaut helmet was a 'crash' helmet)

 

[BillinAlamo]

I actually worry about forgetting I am carrying when I go to check my PO box, but most certainly will leave my piece in my truck in the parking lot.

 

[mreed911]

How can one ship a long arm from a Post Office (legal) if having a gun on Post Office property is illegal?
Maybe I missed something.

You did. There's a legal difference in carrying and possessing.

 

[gjgalligan]

I have to say the lack of integrity & ethics of so many posters is really disappointing.
Openly stating you disregard the law sure makes all gun owners look bad. Quit giving ammunition to the anti-guners!
If there is a law I don't like I can work to change it or I can just accept it and abide by it.
Any member of the "concealed means concealed" crowd is not welcome in my home as I could not trust to abide by any of the rules of my household.
Go ahead, flame me all you want. You have already proved your opinion is useless.

 

[Eddie Southgate]

I have to say the lack of integrity & ethics of so many posters is really disappointing.
Openly stating you disregard the law sure makes all gun owners look bad. Quit giving ammunition to the anti-guners!
If there is a law I don't like I can work to change it or I can just accept it and abide by it.
Any member of the "concealed means concealed" crowd is not welcome in my home as I could not trust to abide by any of the rules of my household.
Go ahead, flame me all you want. You have already proved your opinion is useless.

Anti gunners . If you can only afford the one n I will loan you one of mine. What in your mind gives one man or one group of men the right to tell another man just as good as they are what he can and can't do ? God made me as good as any other man and gave me a brain so that I was fully equipped to make my own decisions . As far as I'm concerned until what I'm doing is harming someone else there should be no law hindering me from doing what I choose. I know all about Laws and Government . I also know that I was not around when some group of men decided to set up these two to take control of what they seem to consider us lesser beings. Who's ethics an integrity ? I only have mine to go by .

 

['79 Magnum GT]

Oh, I hope not. (In a voice like Bill Dana)

I remember that!!!!!

Rick

 

[Photog]

How can one ship a long arm from a Post Office (legal) if having a gun on Post Office property is illegal?
Maybe I missed something.

Just think about what you asked....it is government....enough said. A long time ago, there was a battle between OSHA and EPA. OSHA said you had to have the "back up warning device" on commercial vehicles, construction vehicles, etc.. EPA said that those warning devices were too loud and could possibly cause harm. In a nutshell, illegal not to have and use them, illegal to use them, depending on which government agency you asked. Technically, the PO is a federal entity. Local police departments do not have jurisdiction inside a federal entity unless there is an agreement between the two. So, if there is no agreement, then local LEO cannot carry their firearm into the PO even if they are on duty and in full uniform. Of course, that is pretty ridiculous, but then again those pesky regulations.....

 

[Sal1950]

Chicago is usually where packages go to be lost

Only when they're reported to have something very valuable inside..

he was kind of funny looking

Isn't that the line from the original Fargo movie that the hooker chick told the sheriff lady about Steve Buscemi, besides the fact that he wasn't circumcised

 

[ek609]

Yes and it can be shipped directly back to you.

I have a federal C&R license, basically a collectors license. and have had several long guns mailed to me. The local post office actually held one for several days for me when I was out of town and said it was nothing unusual, but that's small town Texas. Late last year I ordered a small handgun from an out of state dealer and they mailed it to me, and said as a C&R license holder it was legal. With a C&R license I can order anything over 50 years old and have sent directly to my house.

This does not apply to residents of California. Even with a C&R license ALL out of state transfers MUST go through a FFL and are subject to the 10 day waiting period (holders of a California COE or Certificate of Eligibility are not subject to the 10day waiting period), and background check (DROS) along with associated fees.

 

[ek609]

This does NOT apply in California. Even with a C&R license ALL out of state transfers MUST go though a licensed FFL in California and are subject to the 10 day waiting period ( holders of a California COE or Certificate of Eligibility are not subject to the 10 day waiting period) plus the normal background check DROS, and related fees. Do not have a weapon shipped directly to you if you live in California.

 

[375hh1973]

I have to say the lack of integrity & ethics of so many posters is really disappointing.
Openly stating you disregard the law sure makes all gun owners look bad. Quit giving ammunition to the anti-guners!
If there is a law I don't like I can work to change it or I can just accept it and abide by it.
Any member of the "concealed means concealed" crowd is not welcome in my home as I could not trust to abide by any of the rules of my household.
Go ahead, flame me all you want. You have already proved your opinion is useless.

Why would I want to go to your home???

Your opinion is valid as anyone elses...