concealed carry in the commie state of Illinois

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I have come up with a way to carry in Illinois.......First you buy a gun thats over 100 years old.......Illinois no longer considers it a firearm....its an ANTIQUE.......no permit needed to own it......I'll just carry my old lemon squeezer in 38 S&W that way I'll be packin an antique not a firearm !!!!!
 
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You need to talk to an attorney who is versed in IL gun laws. Whoever told you that IL considers any gun over 100 yrs old as an antique and therefore nor longer a firearm is going to get you in some serious legal problems. Your premise is going to get you arrested and very likely charged with a felony.

"430 ILCS 65/1.1
Firearm means any device, by whatever name known, which is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding, however:
(1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun or B‑B gun which either expels a single globular projectile not exceeding .18 inch in diameter and which has a maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second or breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors;
(2) any device used exclusively for signalling or safety and required or recommended by the United States Coast Guard or the Interstate Commerce Commission;
(3) any device used exclusively for the firing of stud cartridges, explosive rivets or similar industrial ammunition; and
(4) an antique firearm (other than a machine‑gun) which, although designed as a weapon, the Department of State Police finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a collector's item and is not likely to be used as a weapon. "

The ISP has never made any such blanket >100 yr old ruling as described in (4). Any such exemption would be listed in the JCAR Admin Rules. Here's is the definition of an "antique firearm" per JCAR:
Section 1230.10 Definitions
“Antique firearm” means, for the purpose of 430 ILCS 65/1.1(4), any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system manufactured in or before 1898, provided it is not likely to be used as a weapon.

Your S&W .38 Lemon Squeezer does not fit the definition of antique firearm. Therefore, a FOID card is still needed to possess and concealed carry of it would still be a violation.
 
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Sounds like the OP is trying to apply the broader federal definition of an "antique" gun to the more restrictive IL state laws.

For purposes of shipping firearms across state lines (which is federal jurisdiction), the ATF regulations state that any gun whose receiver (the actual "firearm" portion of the gun) was manufactured prior to 1899 is not considered a firearm. Therefore, you can have an antique gun shipped to your door from out of state, without worrying about going through an FFL.

But as ISPCapt pointed out, federal and state laws don't necessarily coincide, and state laws regarding possession and transportation within the state still apply.
 
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I thought it was a great Idea.......Got to come up with some way to carry in Illinois.......The lawmakers are doing there best to get the guns away from us..........I wonder if Wis. wants Chicago.......they can have em......
 
Moving is easier said than done, but......

Wisconson will likely have CCW in a year or two. A move any neighboring state is the best way to avoid the rape of your civil rights. I will not go to Illinoying if I can avoid doing so, and haven't been there in years.
 
Hey Markcuda, You going to the gun auction in Mattoon on New Years Day ? It looks like it's gonna be a good one...
 
Thanks Flop-Shank !!! I'll keep that in mind.....I think Michigan would be a great place to live .....long as it's far away from Detroit !!! Mighthave to shoot me a BAR.....with my 460 !!!
 
Markuda....I My son and I have attended many new years day gun auctions.....We have been amazed at how HIGH some guns sell for while others seem to bring just about 1/2 what there worth....Come hang around....if you wait long enough you will find a deal !!! You can preview New Years eve from 5 to 8 I believe.......Still may have to hit the show in Springfield......I have never been to that show, is it a good one ?
 
Millbilly, the gun show in Springfield is always a good one.
So, at this aucton on the first, does a person bid, or just buy the gun?
How long would it take if you found a gun you liked, to get on the auction block?
 
If you guys are coming to the gun show on the 2nd bring some good mud boots. The parking lot will have 4 - 6 inches of mud. There was no money to gravel the lot.
 
millbilly;
I think what you have to consider is the phrase. "not likely to be used as a weapon". A LEO once explained to me that Any knife or club USED as a
weapon, and obviously carried for such purpose, would put a civilian on the wrong side of the law. For instance, a person carrying a walking stick/cane,
that didn't normally use/need one, would be fine, until said person started
applying knots to the head & shoulders of another person. THEN it becomes
a weapon
It looks like, in IL, if you want to defend yourself, you have to take your
chances/choice. Good luck with that! TACC1
 
Markcuda......You have to bid on the gun when it comes up to auction, I have waited 8 hours on a gun I wanted before....plan on spending the day....I think you can leave bids but I'm not sure......sale usually takes 12 hours.......
 
Well I thought it was a good idea.....I like the nail gun idea.....but I can see draggin around an air tank would be a pain......guess I'm back to my Barlow knife..........Some how the state of Illinois thinks "BAD" when you say GUN.......I guess in Illinois only bad people have guns.....I'll be surrounded by at least 1000 bad people buying evil guns on Friday at the auction........hope I come home with a few more.... My wife asked me the other day how many guns do you have ? ......I said I don't know.........a few.........Can you have too many ?....
 
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