Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

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The Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, passed by the House of Representatives, would allow all holders of concealed carry licenses to carry nationwide. A recent article by Noah Feldman of Bloomberg View analyzes the constitutional issues involved. Although he's opposed to the act, he's reasonably balanced in his presentation. This stuff makes my head swim. I just hope it is enacted into law.
Here is the article: Muddy Liberal Thinking on New Gun-Rights Law - Bloomberg

 

[chief38]

If this ever gets signed into law I will be shocked. Even if it does - I predict that many of the large sanctuary Cities will find a way to not obey Federal law.

Still better then nothing and definitely a step in the right direction but I will believe it when I see it.

 

[triaxle]

I hope its law , its such a bad feeling to go out of state and not be able to defend your self or family member if you brake down or flat tire , or something .

 

[tarsam]

Hopefully (but doubtfully thanks to the antics of D.C.) it will pass. As for the article I am always highly suspicious of anything associated with or bylined with the name "Bloomberg".

 

[steelslaver]

There is a long thread dealing with this legislation and the positive negative thoughts on it in the 2ND amendment section of the forum

 

[THREEDFLYER]

The thought of a national reciprocity sounds good at first, but consider if the FEDS decide to repeal the law.....then what? At least now you have all the states individually involved, and not all your cartridges in one basket if you know what I mean!!!

 

[mauser9]

Am sure toilet states like Ma. and New Jersey will oppose it among others.

 

[JJEH]

The thought of a national reciprocity sounds good at first, but consider if the FEDS decide to repeal the law.....then what? At least now you have all the states individually involved, and not all your cartridges in one basket if you know what I mean!!!

Indeed. At first I was absolutely for it. Now... I'm not sure. It could backfire in the long run...

 

[Flyingfool]

I think the law simply states that all the states MUST accept any other states issued ccw permit. So the stats are still involved and must be a state that actually issues a permit. That is; constitutional carry states that do not issue a permit those folks would be screwed as they do not have a permit.

The “rub” with this bill, is that it is still the responsibility the person carrying to know and obey the laws of the state they are within the boundaries of. So it is still a bit of a mess for a person csrrying across the country would have to know every states concealed carry laws and what is and is not required.

It is interesting to me that all 50 states will honor any other states drivers permits/liscense. And driving is not a constitutional right.

What other constitutional RIGHT is geographically limited to be able to exercise? Answer NONE!

 

[Faulkner]

As a states rights advocate I am hesitant to support this. I live in a mostly free state and I have concerns that through various "compromises" the not so free states will have influence on the rest of us.

 

[oneounceload]

If they try to force NJ, NY, et al to let other folks carry, what you will see if those states passing so many restrictions on where you can carry that you might as well not bother.

That will be after years of lawsuits.

 

[Capt. F.]

Even if the Act passes, which I doubt, you can bet the same states that ignore the FOPA of 1986 will ignore it as well.
And with no punishment for states that do ignore it we won't be any farther ahead.

 

[KSDeputy]

I rarely travel, but if I do my LEOSA permit allows carry nationwide. I believe all law abiding citizens should have the same right.

 

[apollo99]

Now the Federal government can get involved in who can and can't carry, Too many parking tickets, you're out, any civil penalties against you, you're out too, a disability, forget about it. Tax or collection issues, sorry you can't carry. If this passes it has to be a clean bill with no additional rider or add ons.

 

[Engine49guy]

IIRC the states that have constitutional carry are covered just by proving you reside in that state (DL).
Also IIRC your states laws would go with you.

Lastly there is a provision in the bill that opens an agency up to pay fines plus your legal bills to
prevent them from "Punishing you with the process".

This is all from memory , have to see what is or is not passed when it happens.

Best part is if it does go through as written you could legally carry in every state with your CCW .

 

[Bat Guano]

All the more reason to choose your domicile--wisely. And to emulate the serpent.

 

[Steve K]

Like many members have stated the hardcore anti-gun states will not respect the law. NJ, for example, may not follow the law and a LEO may make the arrest for not having a permit. You will have to use the Federal Law as a defense and probable win. You'll go through the system, spend a lot of money, and have bad dreams afterwards. It doesn't sound right, and isn't right, but I can see it happening.

 

[Johnrh]

At first I, too, felt this was good. Now I don't. The State's have been free to control who is issued a CCW permit and the Fed's have not interfered with it. Those states and cities that have tried to stop possession have been stopped, so far, by SCOTUS as the Constitution supersedes state law when in conflict. There is nothing in the constitution that gives one the right to carry a gun, only the right to posses one.

I do NOT want the Fed govt getting their nose in the tent. Once that happens then it's easy to control who gets a permit and who doesn't by simply dictating the parameters of issuance.

It's an error to try and compare drivers licenses and marriage licences to the argument. Many licenses issued by states do not carry across state lines. For instance: medical, engineering, teaching, electrical, plumbing, General Contractors, HVAC etc etc.

While it sounds wonderful, it's going to result someday in Fed control of CCW permits or licenses. It's the way the Fed govt works as many today think it should. Given all the controls the Feds have stolen from the States is there any reason to have States anymore? All they do is enforce Fed laws now.

For a really good read on the ratification of our Constitution read the book Ratification by Pauline Meir and see why so many were really opposed to it, including Patrick Henry. He was right. [ame]https://www.amazon.com/Ratification-People-Debate-Constitution-1787-1788/dp/0684868555/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514137240&sr=8-1&keywords=ratification+pauline+maier[/ame]

 

[American1776]

The thought of a national reciprocity sounds good at first, but consider if the FEDS decide to repeal the law.....then what? At least now you have all the states individually involved, and not all your cartridges in one basket if you know what I mean!!!

So if they repeal the law, things go back to where they are now: states make their own reciprocal agreements, and my PA LTCF is still good where it is now. No loss.

Now, if they make another law invalidating all permits in any other state than you reside, that’s a whole different law that tyrannts could try to pass anytime hey have enough power, irrespective of the concealed carry reciprocity bill

 

[oneounceload]

Now the Federal government can get involved in who can and can't carry, Too many parking tickets, you're out, any civil penalties against you, you're out too, a disability, forget about it. Tax or collection issues, sorry you can't carry. If this passes it has to be a clean bill with no additional rider or add ons.

But that won't prevent future issues, especially when the libs get back in power (and they will)