Confused about mass compliance

[classicalsean]

I'm newly licensed in mass for a class A and have decided I want a model 686 for home defense. I've done my research based on what I know about myself and have decided on the rare 686-4 but I'm unsure if I'm allowed to purchase one if I do find one. Help please

 

[mikey98e]

I suggest you look at GOAL.org and Northeastershooters.com for information. I believe there are really 2 lists in MA and the gun needs to be on both. The Approved Weapons Roster and the MA Attorney General's list that isn't updated as often as the AWR list.

Even simpler, go to a gun shop and ask about buying a 686.
-mike

 

[poorjohnny]

I think you should move. Head south or west please don't move north

 

[LoboGunLeather]

Isn't Massachusetts the place where they burn gun owners at the stake?

 

[howiema]

The answer is yes you can buy one if you find one. The 686 has been approved for many moons. Lobo, the flames only got as high as my ankles but I beat it.

Pete

 

[Mainsail]

I'm newly licensed in mass for a class A and ....

Is that a Catholic thing?

 

[KLYDE]

Is that a Catholic thing?

Several classes of licenses. Class A covers CCW.

 

[KLYDE]

The answer is yes you can buy one if you find one. The 686 has been approved for many moons. Lobo, the flames only got as high as my ankles but I beat it.

Pete

I'd wager if the OP walked into 10 local gun shops and asked if the 686 is importable 9 would tell him no. I don't know if it is misinterpretation of the regulations or fear of retribution that causes this. HT is one of the few that seem to know their business.

PS Tell Phil I want that 547

 

[Pisgah]

You mean mass compliance with dumb*** laws? I dunno.

 

[Deutsche_Dog]

The gun doesn't need to be on any lists for you to buy it, it only needs to be on the list for gun shops to be able to sell it. Private sales of guns not on the approved roster happen legally every day using the EFA10 (Massachusetts Gun Transaction Portal) system.

I suggest you look at GOAL.org and Northeastershooters.com for information. I believe there are really 2 lists in MA and the gun needs to be on both. The Approved Weapons Roster and the MA Attorney General's list that isn't updated as often as the AWR list.

Even simpler, go to a gun shop and ask about buying a 686.
-mike

 

[italiansport]

I am forever thankful I got the Hell out of Massachusetts,the State I was born and raised in, right after I graduated from high school.
In Arizona where I now reside; basically if you can carry it you can own it.
Jim

 

[old&slow]

Massachusetts Approved Weapons Rosters

Massachuettes Approved Weapons Rosters ,,

Sounds like the people needs to get a Approved Sand Roster,,, And tell the politicians,, To Go Pound It !!!

 

[GaryS]

There is no AG list. The AG has a set of regulations which manufacturers must certify that they adhere to. If the AG disagrees, then the gun can not be sold by a dealer in MA. Other than to law enforcement, that is.

As someone else said, private party sales are not subject to either list nor regulations. Plus if you move here with none compliant guns, you can bring them with you and sell them to private parties. Four private party sales are allowed per year.

There are other loop holes as well, but using them requires a FFL's cooperation since the regulations and the list apply to FFL's, not individual buyers.

It's complex and confusing,which is how TPTB like it.

I suggest you look at GOAL.org and Northeastershooters.com for information. I believe there are really 2 lists in MA and the gun needs to be on both. The Approved Weapons Roster and the MA Attorney General's list that isn't updated as often as the AWR list.

Even simpler, go to a gun shop and ask about buying a 686.
-mike

 

[LenS]

Look for what you want, if you see it at a price that you can afford, buy it and don't concern yourself with any lists! That is NOT your problem as it is part of the "anti-dealer" law passed in 1998 . . . there is NO penalty on the buyer/possessor. [If shopping for semi-autos, your only concern need be that any pistol/rifle mags >10 rds must have been mfd on/before 9/13/1994 and no "new" so-called Assault Weapons mfd (same dates) as possession of either is a felony.]

 

[classicalsean]

Thanks for all the replies and good info. Problem is, I've found a 686(older revision) that I wouldmconsider but the person on gunbroker.com said he would ship to mass. Hencenthe reason for my post. I will go to amfewmshops next and see if they can help me find a 686-4. Thanks again.

 

[GaryS]

I don't know if it's in reasonable distance for you, but Collectors in Stoneham has a number of 686s. They are listed on the website.

Thanks for all the replies and good info. Problem is, I've found a 686(older revision) that I wouldmconsider but the person on gunbroker.com said he would ship to mass. Hencenthe reason for my post. I will go to amfewmshops next and see if they can help me find a 686-4. Thanks again.

 

[LenS]

Just tell the dealers what model and S/N the gun is and let THEM tell you if they will transfer it or not. Do NOT worry about the "lists", let them do their job and tell you what works and what won't.

 

[Shorty091261]

There is a second list that it has to be on, and it is published by the state Consumer Protection Agency. To comply with them requires things like drop testing, trigger pulls, loaded chamber indicators, etc. Fortunately, most S&W models have Mass compliant models readily available, since they are manufactured right here in The People's Republic.

 

[GaryS]

Only it's not a list. The Consumer Protection Agency in MA is a division of the Attorney General. They will not issue clear guidelines.

Glock is the most extreme example. Glock has a loaded chamber indicator that is the same as many other manufacturers. Only the AG refuses to certify, but won't say why. This is being litigated in federal court, but so far the judge has sided with the AG.

My Bersa, which is not MA compliant, has a loaded chamber flag too, but it is not legal for a dealer to sell because Bersa has not done the testing required by EOPS, let alone jumped through the AGs hoops.

That's why several manufacturers will not go through the process, which requires a lot of expensive testing by an outside lab.

It is very unlikely that we will see the Walther CCP, the Remington R51 or their new .380. In Walther's case, the person I talked to at the NRA Meetings said that they can barely keep up with demand for the CCP and don't see it being worth their while.

Remington is more interested in trying to get on the CA roster, MA is not a big enough market for them to tackle right now.

There is a second list that it has to be on, and it is published by the state Consumer Protection Agency. To comply with them requires things like drop testing, trigger pulls, loaded chamber indicators, etc. Fortunately, most S&W models have Mass compliant models readily available, since they are manufactured right here in The People's Republic.

 

[RSanch111]

Basically, you have to go to mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation. Other than that, you can go as often as you want.