coronavirus

29-1 said:
Amen ladder13. I'm as bad as the next person when it comes to trying to see the humor in most situations in life, but there is a line not to be crossed and this COVID-19 has drawn it, world wide. My old stomping grounds in Pelham, NY which sits between New Rochelle and Mt. Vernon is basically the epi-center in NYS for the virus. Any time a governor feels the pressure to call out the NG is a Big Deal. Our thoughts and prayers for all the victims today and thousands most certainly to come are called for; not jokes. Little story; I had my semi-annual bloodwork/PCM visit yesterday here in the N. VA/DC Metro area and was surprised when I asked my doctor what his office is doing to get a handle on the current situation and he said not much. This is because his medical group, INOVA, has so far not issued its medical staffs any concrete parameters/advice on procedures when treating patients. He told me he doesn't have any test kits yet and that if any of his patients suspect they may be infected they will have to be tested at the County health office because they're the only ones with the kits at this point. If that's the situation in Washington, DC what do you suspect it probably is everywhere else? He told me the give him a call if I think I'm infected; over 60, sore throat, sustained fever and problems breathing are the primary indicators and he'll call ahead to the county health office and get me tested. While I'm ok with that response, I can certainly appreciate those who'd have a far different one. He also asked if it was ok for him to put his stethoscope on my chest to check my breathing and I said sure why not? He said he's supposed to now get permission from patients before touching them in any way. My thought then is unless it's a medical emergency stay at home and self-isolate if you can until told it's ok to do otherwise. So back to your original comment about all the military, first responders, LEOs and anyone else who has a job they can't afford to stay at home from, pray that the good Lord will look after them especially.
Chuck
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Chuck, we may have crossed paths in Marty and Lenny's or Peachtree back in the day.
 
GypsmJim said:
People are going to get the virus, and some will die. People are going to get the flu, and some will die. In time it will pass. But the collateral damage is what will last a long time.

Parts from China are not arriving. US companies are furloughing workers because they can't manufacture some products.

Industries like boats, RVs and such are taking a hit because 401Ks are diving and some people can't afford luxury items.

Anything travel related is taking a bad hit because people are afraid.

We're headed for a recession...or worse.

I'm not worried about getting sick....I'm worried about going bankrupt!
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This says all there is to say about the "House of Cards" economies that evolved following the computerization of Wall Street and the like.
 
Now it's getting personal for me. I retired from Shell Chemical Co in Y2K. My old shift foreman and Operating assistant had set up a reunion for all retired Shell hands that had worked in the BA/Sulfer Recovery unit. It was to have been tomorrow at a local eatery.

I worked with some terrific folks. I would have retired a couple of years earlier but I didn't want to leave my crew. I hate that we had to postpone it until this mess blows over but it is absolutely the right thing to do. Live to fight another day.....

A point to ponder. Everyone that becomes contaminated will be responsible for contaminating many others and so will every one THEY contaminate and so on and so forth. The rate it could spread will escalate exponentially.

Over reacting might give us all a better outcome than UNDER reacting.

I know a lot of folks are not taking this very seriously. That in itself could make this a bad situation. I hope they are right but I am not taking any chances. Not over reacting just using a little due caution and common sense.

I know I'm not over reacting because I am not seeing the need to stock up on toilet paper. :rolleyes:

Edit to add another point to ponder:
It is awful enough of most of the population of Earth dies from this stuff. But close your eyes for a minute and try to visualize the post apocalyptic world...You have all seen these kinds of movies and read the books. All supplies and services are gone and the evil element comes out in most of those that are left.

Let me just say this: I don't want to live for one day in a world of Nuclear winter, or one where I have to steal and kill to survive. It gets a whole lot more serious than no internet connection.....
 
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Bottom line

I am extremely sad to post my feelings on this terrible epidemic. As if this epidemic, and it's end result isn't bad enough, we now see the human vultures going into action, and the skills, equipment, and skullduggery, that they are willing to use, to obtain the immense amount of money that's available to unscruplious people.

Chubbo
 
walkin jack said:
I know I'm not over reacting because I am not seeing the need to stock up on toilet paper. :rolleyes:
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I didn't see the need either. Then yesterday I went grocery shopping and found that TP is being rationed. They didn't have any on the shelves either.
 
GypsmJim said:
I didn't see the need either. Then yesterday I went grocery shopping and found that TP is being rationed. They didn't have any on the shelves either.
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Think....old t shirts, news papers, catalogues and yes...even corn cobbs. a lot of things in life have alternatives. If I'm gonna panic over something it dang sure ain't gonna be toilet paper. :rolleyes:
 
Italy - with a first world health system is letting older virus pts DIE - because of a lack of ventilators and ICU beds - That hasn't happened with the flu

I truly hope we can get prepared before it gets that bad here.
 
pawngal said:
WHO declares the coronavirus outbreak a global pandemic

World Health Organization has just announced declaring it a Global Pandemic

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Is that the same World Health Organization that promotes gun control and says violence involving guns is a HEALTH issue? The same one that is part of the UN? The one that promotes the US signing onto the UN small arms treaty that would effectively disarm us all? That World Health Organization? The one that is always coming at us with their hand out? The one the US so recently decided to cut back funding for?

Yeah, they couldn't possibly be politically motivated, or biased, or have any kind of agenda. They only want what's best for all of us.:rolleyes:
 
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My view is that believing that the WHO's advice re the Covid-19 virus is invalid because I don't agree with its views on gun ownership is like believing in high school that Sister Mary's advice on college admissions was invalid because I didn't agree with her views on smoking, drinking, and dating protocol.

Happily, I was able to make the distinction then, as I am now.;)
 
And they think the coronavirus is an epidemic.
1.3 million adults 18 and older attempted suicide in one year, with 1.1 million making plans to commit suicide.
In 2018, the report shows 325 active duty, 135 National Guard and 81 Reserve personnel died by suicide.
In 2019, an estimated 38,800 people lost their lives to car crashes.
According to NHTSA 10,511 people died in alcohol-impaired crashes in 2018.
Approximately 862,320 abortions were performed in 2017.
In 2019, an estimated 606,880 people will die of cancer in the United States.
About 6.2 million American adults had heart failure (HF) in 2013-2016.
 
Onomea said:
My view is that believing that the WHO's advice re the Covid-19 virus is invalid because I don't agree with its views on gun ownership is like believing in high school that Sister Mary's advice on college admissions was invalid because I didn't agree with her views on smoking, drinking, and dating protocol.

Happily, I was able to make the distinction then, as I am now.;)
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LOL, was Sister Mary going to get (or not get) millions of dollars per year depending on whether or not you chose to go to college?

I'm not denying this is an issue, I'm saying it is going to turn out to be a lot less serious than the media is making it out to be.
 
keith44spl said:
I generally stay out of the main stream of the public and don't take money from strangers.
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Well now, I gotta admit, if a stranger offered to give me some money, I'd probably take it.
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That gift-horse-in-the-mouth thing comes to mind.
 
I was over at another gun forum reading their similar thread, and it exhibited the kind of mass ignorance that the left feeds off of. The gun-owning community is great, but unfortunately it looks like our least-bright are also often our loudest. Of course, that's also true for our governor and for the news channels, but it doesn't invalidate the danger of this virus.

My girlfriend and I each have two over-eighty parents. As she told me, 2-3 weeks of being overly-cautious is a small sliver of our lives. Yeah, I'm young (61) and healthy, but they aren't. There are lots of fools out there who are not being at all cautious (I'm certain of this because I talk with them!), and if one of them touches something and then you do, you can get this. It's at least 5x as contagious as the flu and I get the flu every year. I don't mind being labeled a 'fool' by those who think this is hype.
 
runscott said:
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My girlfriend and I each have two over-eighty parents. As she told me, 2-3 weeks of being overly-cautious is a small sliver of our lives. Yeah, I'm young (61) and healthy, but they aren't. There are lots of fools out there who are not being at all cautious (I'm certain of this because I talk with them!), and if one of them touches something and then you do, you can get this. It's at least 5x as contagious as the flu and I get the flu every year. I don't mind being labeled a 'fool' by those who think this is hype.
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If you're taking care of someone in a high risk category, you're just being sensible. A point ought to be made though that you really can't depend on others to take precautions as it's asymptomatic for a lot of people. You have to do that yourselves. Disposable gloves may make sense in your situation. So, although there is a lot of hype, precautionary measures are really dependent on individual situations.
 
runscott said:
I was over at another gun forum reading their similar thread, and it exhibited the kind of mass ignorance that the left feeds off of. The gun-owning community is great, but unfortunately it looks like our least-bright are also often our loudest. Of course, that's also true for our governor and for the news channels, but it doesn't invalidate the danger of this virus.

My girlfriend and I each have two over-eighty parents. As she told me, 2-3 weeks of being overly-cautious is a small sliver of our lives. Yeah, I'm young (61) and healthy, but they aren't. There are lots of fools out there who are not being at all cautious (I'm certain of this because I talk with them!), and if one of them touches something and then you do, you can get this. It's at least 5x as contagious as the flu and I get the flu every year. I don't mind being labeled a 'fool' by those who think this is hype.
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Let fools be ;)
 
rubiranch said:
And they think the coronavirus is an epidemic.
1.3 million adults 18 and older attempted suicide in one year, with 1.1 million making plans to commit suicide.
In 2018, the report shows 325 active duty, 135 National Guard and 81 Reserve personnel died by suicide.
In 2019, an estimated 38,800 people lost their lives to car crashes.
According to NHTSA 10,511 people died in alcohol-impaired crashes in 2018.
Approximately 862,320 abortions were performed in 2017.
In 2019, an estimated 606,880 people will die of cancer in the United States.
About 6.2 million American adults had heart failure (HF) in 2013-2016.
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Actually it's a 'pandemic' which is worse than an 'epidemic'. You could also define some of the things you mention as 'pandemic'. If social distancing would help prevent the items you listed, I would certainly do it.
 
delcrossv said:
If you're taking care of someone in a high risk category, you're just being sensible. A point ought to be made though that you really can't depend on others to take precautions as it's asymptomatic for a lot of people. You have to do that yourselves. Disposable gloves may make sense in your situation. So, although there is a lot of hype, precautionary measures are really dependent on individual situations.
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You are absolutely right that you can't depend on others, but you can get the message to others that changing their behavior can save lives, and the more people who understand that message, the better chance your friends in high-risk categories have of surviving. This is about getting young, healthy people who aren't concerned about this, and who don't have loved ones in high risk categories, to consider the entire community and not just themselves. I have spoken with friends who are absolutely NOT concerned and are not taking any precautions. If some of them are convinced to change their behavior just a little, fewer old people will get this and die.

Edited to add: Given that my Airbnb in Seattle is now basically dead, I had considered driving cross-country to visit my parents. I just got a call from my Mom telling me not to. Not for my safety, but for hers. She's done her research and doesn't want to be exposed to anyone who has been around other people. One dumb*ss is all it takes. I've grabbed a lot of doorknobs and handled a lot of change, picked up items in the grocery store and put them back, grabbed the gas nozzle without wearing gloves are washing my hands, etc., etc. etc. The odds say it's unlikely, but I could be carrying this thing right now, and hand it over lovingly to my parents when I arrive in Colorado. I don't think most people really get the biology of this virus; i.e-contagion rate, contact and air transmittal, etc. As you touch things the odds are growing.

Everyone stay healthy. I personally am taking a break from the internet because it infuriates me :). I'll get my infuriation from CNN and CSNBC for a while, and my entertainment from walking my dog, reading books and drinking from my huge store of coffee and beer.
 
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