fredj338
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Ok, then what?? Hopefully you have at least thougt about that.
COUNTING SHOTS is important to me......
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Run for your life screaming like a little girl!?
spdguns
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This is true. Been there, done that. Jus' sayin'......
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth"
Mike Tyson
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I can only go by my own experiences but in two of my three duty shootings I did count, but that was w/an issued thirty-eight. When we qualify w/the high capacity 9MM for LEOSA I lose count VERY quickly.
I count, but am stuck on 6. I do have some 5 shooters, but when practicing e=with those I occasionally get a click. Never happens with a 6 shooter and I don't end up with an empty either. To many cylinders fired from a six.
Another reason I am not big on having a "carry rotation" at least one with variables. During a time of HIGH stress I know instinct is going to kick in big time.
Another reason I am not big on having a "carry rotation" at least one with variables. During a time of HIGH stress I know instinct is going to kick in big time.
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just plain joe
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I've read critical action debriefs where the officer involved believed he fired " X " number of shots when in fact he fired considerably more. In this type of incident some officers report having experienced disorientation as to distance, time, and number of shots fired. The report of the firearm may seem extremely loud or it may not be heard at all or at a very low volume. Some officers reported everything happening in slow motion. One debrief I read related that the officer said he actually saw the bullets coming past his head. When you're on the square range or shooting competitively, the bullets are only going one way. On the street it ain't that way. End result, it's hard to predict whether a person may be able to count the rounds fired due in part to an adrenalin "dump" during the critical incident, or how he/she will perform.
In a perfect world I prefer to count my rounds. A wise instructor always told me, "Reloading is a planned event". As an aside, early in my career during this type incident I was absolutely certain that I fired only two rounds from my six-shot revolver. Upon checking, it was determined that I had in fact fired five.
HTH.
JPJ
In a perfect world I prefer to count my rounds. A wise instructor always told me, "Reloading is a planned event". As an aside, early in my career during this type incident I was absolutely certain that I fired only two rounds from my six-shot revolver. Upon checking, it was determined that I had in fact fired five.
HTH.
JPJ
Counting shots is easy when your practicing or even in competition but when your in an actual gun fight it is totally different, depending on how it goes down.
I've shot a fair amount of competition, Bullseye, PPC, USPSA, Metalic Silhouette, and counting shots has saved me many times. Timing a reload, beating the clock, making sure all shots have been fired, etc. When I pull the trigger it's like breathing, I just do it.
Very true! In two of my three OIS cases I counted, knowing exactly when it was time to reload. The first OIS involved one shot, my b/u officer fired two or three (still not sure) but the suspect was dropped immediately. When we transitioned to the Glock I lost count VERY quickly during qualification & I didn't have to use it on the street.
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You'll please pardon my ignorance. I don't have the faintest idea what you're asking: "Ok, then what??".
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Fredj338 is asking what plan he has for after he empties his 5 shot gun, has no reloads and has not resolved his problem.
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Nope. Never..........When it quits going bang I reload.
I count.
Back in 1988, when I started competing in NRA High Power matches, I used an old 03A3NM for 4-5 years before my M1MkII came home. For me, the last thing I wanted was to throw the bolt on an empty chamber. I had sixty seconds to fire 10 rounds for record in rapid fire sitting and prone, using stripper clips. The time allowed also required dropping into position from standing. After four years of shooting my Springfield, I started keeping track of the number of rounds fired. I never ran dry in a rapid fire string after the first time. Then it was the Garand "ping", but I have always counted!
Back in 1988, when I started competing in NRA High Power matches, I used an old 03A3NM for 4-5 years before my M1MkII came home. For me, the last thing I wanted was to throw the bolt on an empty chamber. I had sixty seconds to fire 10 rounds for record in rapid fire sitting and prone, using stripper clips. The time allowed also required dropping into position from standing. After four years of shooting my Springfield, I started keeping track of the number of rounds fired. I never ran dry in a rapid fire string after the first time. Then it was the Garand "ping", but I have always counted!
sigp220.45
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I worked a bunch of police shootings and only one cop got the number of rounds fired right.
It was a tough old female Navajo patrol officer. She got called to a report of a drunk guy in a housing unit waving a knife at people. She found him and told him to quit acting stupid, advice he ignored at considerable peril by throwing his knife at her. It stuck in the toe of her work boot. He only had one knife, so she only shot him one time, as he remembered he had pressing business elsewhere and turned to depart. The .40 HST went in the side of his right manboob, exited, drew a red line across his chest, entered his left manboob, exited, and flew on into an occupied apartment. He dropped like a sack of spuds and started screaming she had killed him. She cuffed him and told him again to stop acting stupid, which he believed was good advice this time.
She tolerated me because I was her age or maybe a little older. I asked her how many times she shot, and she deadpan stared at me and held up one finger. (Index, at least).
We were outside later finishing up and it was starting to rain. She was sitting in her rig and I asked a young guy with me to ask her something. Her window was down, and he asked her whatever it was, and she stared at him like only a no-nonsense old Navajo lady can and without breaking eye contact she rolled up her window. I loved her for it and laughed about that for months. A dose of humility is good for young agents.
The guy got some stitches and four bandaids and a trip to ABQ to meet the federal magistrate. I don't think the cop even took a day off.
It was a tough old female Navajo patrol officer. She got called to a report of a drunk guy in a housing unit waving a knife at people. She found him and told him to quit acting stupid, advice he ignored at considerable peril by throwing his knife at her. It stuck in the toe of her work boot. He only had one knife, so she only shot him one time, as he remembered he had pressing business elsewhere and turned to depart. The .40 HST went in the side of his right manboob, exited, drew a red line across his chest, entered his left manboob, exited, and flew on into an occupied apartment. He dropped like a sack of spuds and started screaming she had killed him. She cuffed him and told him again to stop acting stupid, which he believed was good advice this time.
She tolerated me because I was her age or maybe a little older. I asked her how many times she shot, and she deadpan stared at me and held up one finger. (Index, at least).
We were outside later finishing up and it was starting to rain. She was sitting in her rig and I asked a young guy with me to ask her something. Her window was down, and he asked her whatever it was, and she stared at him like only a no-nonsense old Navajo lady can and without breaking eye contact she rolled up her window. I loved her for it and laughed about that for months. A dose of humility is good for young agents.
The guy got some stitches and four bandaids and a trip to ABQ to meet the federal magistrate. I don't think the cop even took a day off.
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fredj338
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As the saying goes, if you have to ask, never mind.
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Same here, although it wasn't until we switched to semi-autos. The explanation was count your rounds and change mags when there was still a round in the chamber - "Don't let your firearm go dry." This speeds up your reloads because you don't need to take the time to pull back and release the slide to reload the chamber. 31 years later and I still do it.
Qc Pistolero
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There are two situations nobody wants to be caught in:with your pants down in the middle of a crowd and with an empty gun in the middle of a gunfight.
You can live after the first one,probably not after the second one.
You can live after the first one,probably not after the second one.
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I count, but I don't practice or teach to count.
I'm a gun enthusiast, but my practice centers around defensive shooting. In a defensive scenario all my focus is on winning. To win I have to hit the intended target in the right place. That takes focus on sight picture, sight alignment, trigger control and follow through. Counting rounds doesn't help me win.
If there's still a threat, I need to be shooting. If there's a pause, I should be reloading. If I've run out, I should be running to cover. These all take care of themselves without counting.
In competition where .001 seconds matters, I see the value of counting and planning reloads. However, I've never seen a self-defense situation where every shot can be planned.
I'm a gun enthusiast, but my practice centers around defensive shooting. In a defensive scenario all my focus is on winning. To win I have to hit the intended target in the right place. That takes focus on sight picture, sight alignment, trigger control and follow through. Counting rounds doesn't help me win.
If there's still a threat, I need to be shooting. If there's a pause, I should be reloading. If I've run out, I should be running to cover. These all take care of themselves without counting.
In competition where .001 seconds matters, I see the value of counting and planning reloads. However, I've never seen a self-defense situation where every shot can be planned.
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