Cross draw for concealed carry

Normally I wear an OWB at the 4 o'clock position, a DeSantis Nemesis Pocket Holster in the right front pocket or once in a while an IWB soft suede holster cross draw at the 9 - 10 o'clock position. Never had a cross draw OWB holster.
 
......Always drawing and extending at arms length invites a grab attempt if person is within 4 or 5 feet. .....

The TV news showed a video the other day of a guy trying to rob a market with a pellet pistol. The clerk reached under the counter and produced his own (real) handgun, good so far.....but then he pointed it at the would-be robber using the "gangsta stance" (gun about head high and laid over 90 degrees). The first thing the robber did was to grab it. They tussled around for quite a while until finally the clerk (who looked to be in a lot better physical shape) knocked the robber down into a corner and got on top of him.
He should have kept the gun back next to his own midsection for retention purposes. I'm surprised that apparently no shots were fired- with a gun his face, the clerk would have been justified in doing so IMHO, but at least we were spared another media circus like the Zimmerman trial.
 
I've found that a cross-draw rig works best when it's part of a NY Reload set-up, complimented by strong-side carry.
 
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Cross draw works perfectly well, can be as quick as any other carry style and all of the blather about "sweeping others" during the draw becomes nonsense..
You beat me to it. There are a number of ways to safely draw from a crossdraw without sweeping yourself or others, just takes a bit of practice.
 
I carry IWB 90 per cent of the time under a shirt or vest. I like both the hip position and the cross-draw. If you will notice, most of the time you are standing, walking or talking, your arms are not straight down by your side, but curved toward your center mass( at least that is what I have found.). This position does put the cross-draw closer to your hand. I see very few people walking with arms extended down. You may want to check your stance for a few days, then you can decide using one position or a combination. My only gripe is that you can't find a IWB holster with canted clip to make it fit at an angle on your belt. If I can find a leather shop, I plan to have one altered. Just my observations.
 
You beat me to it. There are a number of ways to safely draw from a crossdraw without sweeping yourself or others, just takes a bit of practice.

This is true, But there is NO way to crossdraw without letting everyone around you know that your drawing a gun. Strong side i can shadow the entire side of my body against a pole, a person, a soda machine and fully draw without people noticing.

Cross draw your sweeping your body with your arm. Dead giveaway. Like firing the last round of a M-1 Garand :-D
 
Smithsrevenge: So you're saying you can hide behind something when you draw strong side, but you can't when you crossdraw? Really? NO way, huh? Same goes for a shoulder holster? Yet sweeping your shirt or coat to access strong side is less of a giveaway that you are drawing a firearm? I guess it depends on your perspective, but I certainly don't see yours. From my perspective, all a man with a crossdraw or shoulder rig has to do is turn slightly to his strong side to conceal his hand as he draws, or use a form of cover when he draws to make himself less conspicuous. As I said earlier, crossdraw is not my favored form of carry, but it has its applications. I frequently carry a strongside as a primary, and a crossdraw for my BUG. I don't get hung up on which mode is "better."
 
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Just the facts

I believe Jack Webb/Joe Friday wore a cross draw rig.

Jack Webb AKA Detective Sergeant Joe Friday was skinny with average arm length. Cross draw does not work well for fat people with short arms.

I prefer a holster that I can hide under my overhanging stomach under right side.
 
I'd have to say that revealing the fact that I'm drawing a handgun with a sweeping motion is about the last concern I've ever had. I don't go into public and draw my handgun for no reason; instead, I've had to draw after I perceived that a threat required the drawing of my handgun. Since that put me in a reactive mode, I wasn't at all worried that others would see me reach and draw. Just my 2 cents: If a guy is worried about revealing his gun when he needs to bring it into play, why carry it in the first place?
 
I'd have to say that revealing the fact that I'm drawing a handgun with a sweeping motion is about the last concern I've ever had. I don't go into public and draw my handgun for no reason; instead, I've had to draw after I perceived that a threat required the drawing of my handgun. Since that put me in a reactive mode, I wasn't at all worried that others would see me reach and draw. Just my 2 cents: If a guy is worried about revealing his gun when he needs to bring it into play, why carry it in the first place?

Think about it like this. Your in a crowded place, store, bank, whatever. You have a gun in a holster, bad guy is walking around demanding wallets. Who reaches across their body to get their wallet? A guy with a gun on his opposite side.

It just takes away some of the element of surprise, tipping your cards before you have to.

If someone is attacking you? Well it doesn't really matter then.
 
This is true, But there is NO way to crossdraw without letting everyone around you know that your drawing a gun. Strong side i can shadow the entire side of my body against a pole, a person, a soda machine and fully draw without people noticing.

Cross draw your sweeping your body with your arm. Dead giveaway. Like firing the last round of a M-1 Garand :-D
I'm sorry, but I found a "sneaky Pete" draw from crossdraw to be no more problematic than from strong-side.
 
I'm planning a cross country trip to Ft. Jackson when my grandson graduates from basic. I can only think of a crossdraw for a seated draw while driving. And what do you do driving across unfriendly states as IL? Their government must be really out of hand. I have seen lots of crooks from my home state parole there in almost 20 years behind the fences. I feel more comfortable driving armed than not.
 
Think about it like this. Your in a crowded place, store, bank, whatever. You have a gun in a holster, bad guy is walking around demanding wallets. Who reaches across their body to get their wallet? A guy with a gun on his opposite side.

It just takes away some of the element of surprise, tipping your cards before you have to.

If someone is attacking you? Well it doesn't really matter then.

I stopped carrying my wallet in my hip pocket years ago because it caused me lower back pain; instead, I carry my wallet in the left chest pocket of my jacket or shirt pocket. Since I'm right handed, I reach across my body to access my wallet. I seriously doubt that I'm the only guy alive who does that.

In the scenario you chose, if the bad guy already had a gun out, I'd wait until I thought he was distracted or focused on someone else before I went for my gun. Regardless of my carry position, unless I felt the conditions were right, I wouldn't go for my gun at all. The small amount of cash I carry wouldn't be worth getting myself or some other robbery victim killed. An active shooter is an entirely different scenario, and then there's no choice other than to take him down.
 
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Think about it like this. Your in a crowded place, store, bank, whatever. You have a gun in a holster, bad guy is walking around demanding wallets. Who reaches across their body to get their wallet? A guy with a gun on his opposite side.

It just takes away some of the element of surprise, tipping your cards before you have to.

If someone is attacking you? Well it doesn't really matter then.

I have thought about that too. Not my business if he is robbing the bank but if he is also collecting wallets then its a different situation. What if he decides to leave no witnesses?

I normally have a 44 special in a paddle holster, but my S&W 38 special and billfold are in my front pockets. Same if I am driving. A draw from the pocket holster standing up is much faster than say from a paddle holster, so if I had to draw fast and standing up it would be from the pocket. At least for me its faster.

Of course if I am outside the vicinity, I would not want to get involved, in other words, I have no intention of preventing a get away.
 
I have thought about that too. Not my business if he is robbing the bank but if he is also collecting wallets then its a different situation. What if he decides to leave no witnesses?.........

IMHO, if he is committing an armed robbery, then he is ready willing able & possibly eager to shoot someone. It doesn't take much to set off someone who's really keyed up. An armed robber has already shown that he doesn't care about breaking laws or victimizing others. There was a couple bank robbers in the local news recently who seem to be escalating the level of violence during their robberies, it's only a matter of time before they rachet it up enough to kill someone. Hopefully they'll be stopped (apprehended or...) before then.
 
Folks, instead of fantasizing about these things the data is there if you want it. Bank robberies almost NEVER result in a customer getting injured or killed. It is not like they show in the movies. Those are stories for entertainment. It varies from year to year, of course, but as just one example DoJ shows that during a 12-month period there were 7028 bank robberies. In those 7028 only 23 customers were injured, most with minor injuries that did not require off-scene medical treatment. No customers (zero, nad, nyet, zip) were killed.
Armed robbery outside of a bank is similar. Robbers want to get money, not hurt people.
 
Folks, instead of fantasizing about these things the data is there if you want it. Bank robberies almost NEVER result in a customer getting injured or killed. It is not like they show in the movies. Those are stories for entertainment. It varies from year to year, of course, but as just one example DoJ shows that during a 12-month period there were 7028 bank robberies. In those 7028 only 23 customers were injured, most with minor injuries that did not require off-scene medical treatment. No customers (zero, nad, nyet, zip) were killed.
Armed robbery outside of a bank is similar. Robbers want to get money, not hurt people.

Most banks are open 9am to 5pm. Some an hour earlier or later. Tellers are trained to give the money without resistance. Put a dye pack in it to stain the money. Not much crime in busy places open in daylight. And they do not normally rob “the bank” they rob “a teller”.

Maybe 25 years ago I was reading a news article, perhaps Wall Street Journal, about bank guards. One guard is too easy to surprise and two guards are expensive. I believe it was 15 percent of the time, when a criminal attempted to disarm a guard, the guard was shot. Whether or not he was touching his gun to willingly disarm himself or to draw. Just touching the gun was enough.

Mini Marts and Liquor stores are open after the sun goes down. Some Mini Marts may be open all night long.

The last guy California executed had a Mini Mart (?) clerk lay on the floor and shot him or her in the back with a shotgun. Maybe he was desperate for his next fix. Or the local drug gang was going to kill him if he did not pay for the drugs they gave him to sell? I doubt anyone knows.

Last I read on the issue (1980’s) was an occasional story about some night clerk being fired for resisting a robber. Most big chains do not permit employees to resist robbers or try to catch shoplifters. Cheaper to just raise prices. It is not even news anymore.

Anyway the Mini Marts used to be called Shop and Robs by some police for a good reason. The court decisions that involve them “do” effect us. A lot of them are individually owned.

A friend of my sons was shot (injured) working nights at a pizza restaurant that was being robbed. I stumble on articles about other restaurants being robbed at night. Sometimes hotel clerks. Once a big winner at an auto racetrack was apparently followed down to his motel and robbed at gunpoint. Once a lady that won big in reno was killed and robbed at her first stop in sacramento. A lady that won 10,000 dollars one night at high stakes bingo died in a house fire, presumably after being robbed? Most of us do not even read these things except when they catch your eye by accident.

If any big city put all police calls in newspaper it would be too big for paperboys, too big for news racks. No one would read it.
 
1911 in Kramer horsehide CD for me when driving...seat belt rides below.

Some folks close on muzzle covering others on a cross-draw..in Cowboy Action shooting that is an infraction. The work around was probably called a dance...rotate or pivot hips to the right [if drawing from the left] so you did not break a 180 degree plane with muzzle.

Unrelated but used to carry a 629 cross draw when rifle deer hunting..kept my strong side free for rifle handling..gave that up when got tired of humping the extra weight and possible handgun shots were few and far between in my hunt areas.

Best.
 
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