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I've found a private-party Chiefs Special 9mm for $550. It comes with two flat base magazines, a second set of grips, Meprolite sights, and a De Santis holster.
My current Third Generation S&Ws are a 3913 LadySmith and a 3953, so on the CS9, yay or nay?
 
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I'm kind of iffy on the price, but it's three or more years since I bought mine. Stainless or black/blue finish?
 
Blue/black finish. The price may be a little high compared to on-line. I can save shipping and transfer fees, though, since this would be face to face.
 
And those 3913 mags are what I carry as backup. That extra round may make a difference down the road.
 
If you have a larger hand the CS models may not fit that well. I have tried them and I don't like the way they feel in my hand. I much prefer my 3913. Also, the 3913 conceals so well I don't usually need anything smaller. When I feel I absolutely need a smaller gun (rarely) I just carry my model 640 revolver.

Bill
 
OK, I bought it after meeting the seller at the local range...can't do that with Gunbroker or GunsAmerica.com. The Chiefs Special (Shouldn't the name be spelled with an apostrophe?) shot like a dream. Got it home, cleaned it, and decided that, for a blued gun, it had received plenty of TLC. There are a couple of design issues that have me puzzled. For example, the CS9 has off grasping grooves at the rear of the slide. They're deep at the top and get shallower as they get towards the bottom of the slide. In fact, they're cut only part way down, so they extend only about 2/3s of the way down the height of the slide. Why would Smith & Wesson make such a purely cosmetic change from other models, requiring different cutters from standard? The design does give great purchase when slingshotting the slide. And the slot for the slide stop is also shaped differently than my other 3rd gen single stacks.
A couple of days later I went with some LE friends to an outdoor range. The younger cops didn't even know what a 3rd Gen smith is. One particular female cop thought a small 9mm was a Glock 26. She fell in love with the S&W. Were I a bit more lecherous and she of less moral rectitude, she might have convinced me to trade out the pistol for 'favors.' But she's young enough to be my granddaughter. When did I get so darned old?
Now I need to scrounge up some 147 grain ammo. The Smith has already proven to eat any 115 and 124 gr bullets i have. All else being equal, I prefer heavier rather than lighter bullets.
The serial number's EKW3XXX. Any ideas on when the gun was built?
 
Pics or it didn't happen, and as far as the slide serrations go, I believe it may have been mentioned before that the CS 9/40/45's were part of the value line series. Such as the 915/910/908/410/411 autos, I probably missed some. The guide rod on these and CS autos are all plastic with possibly metal plungers on some. Somebody will probably come around and correct me.
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my guess on the partial grasping grooves

being a smaller gun and most hands would swallow this size of gun, having the slide smooth closer to your hands would minimize malfunctions.

having such large hands anyway....I can feel the top portion of my support hand touch the slide.

I had a springer 9mm that I could induce a malfunction because of the aggressive slide serrations. I smoothed the lower half of the serrations and the problem went away.
 
Interesting take on the cocking serrations. I had a 908 for a couple of years and remember (I think) full sized grooves. I need to look in my computer files and see if I can find pictures of that 908. I regret having sold it, but the buyer needed it more than I did and he had the money, so...
The fellow I bought the CS from had already replaced the standard guide rod with a metal one so that's not a concern. Not that I worried about the one on the 908. He also supplied me with a set of Hogue grips that I'm not thrilled about because of their size, and another set of night sights, Trijicons rather than Meprolites that are currently installed on the gun.
If I ever get my crappy camera to work, I'll post pix.
 
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Pics or it didn't happen, and as far as the slide serrations go, I believe it may have been mentioned before that the CS 9/40/45's were part of the value line series. Such as the 915/910/908/410/411 autos, I probably missed some. The guide rod on these and CS autos are all plastic with possibly metal plungers on some. Somebody will probably come around and correct me.
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What did you do with your safety/ decocker? Looks like you cut it and filled the area with something to keep it on fire. I have been looking into doing something similar to this with my newly aquired cs9.
 
The relatively short grip frames of the CS guns could put the slide close to the web of a shooter's hand. Anybody ever experience slide-bite (Walther PPK or Glock)?

CQB's observation about having a smooth slide profile at the bottom edge of the slide is pretty spot on, I'd think. less chance of sharp slide serrations snagging (cutting) across the web of the shooter's hand. ;)

The CS series experienced some changes and refinements over the years. I've written about some of them over the course of some previous posts I've written, here and in on other forum boards. I won't rehash all of it here, but you can search for them.

Some of the more noteworthy revisions include going from plastic sights to cast steel Novak Low mount sights, and from single side manual safeties to ambi assemblies (with may have involved changing the thickness of the CS45 slide, I believe - as it did in the TSW line).

The recoil guide rod assemblies changed a bit, too. The current ones are metal, and of the 1-piece "solid" design (no staked collar to hold a plunger & spring in the rod body), and I've seen both plastic & steel plungers used. (The newer TSW's switched over to the 1-piece rods and removeable steel plungers, BTW.)

I have both types of plungers I've used, and I sort of prefer the softer plastic plungers in my own CS45 & CS9 (for ease of field-stripping). The plastic ones can get a bit "fuzzy" after a lot of field-stripping, though (and the metals ones can sometimes develop a burred edge at the tip). Toss a coin. ;)

The CS guns were excellent subcompact pistols, in my humble opinion. The CS40 didn't run for all that long, and the best guess I've heard from the factory is that the snappy recoil didn't appeal to as many folks as they expected. What turned out to be the last year of production for the CS40 resulted in what I was told as being less than 100 units being sold.

The CS9 & CS45 were strong sellers, though, especially among LE for off-duty weapons. They didn't require much in the way of advertising once they'd been released, selling quickly by word-of-mouth and becoming real "sleepers" on the commercial market.

As much as I've used my CS45 (early production model after they introduced the stainless version), I actually prefer my CS9. The grip frame and Hogue grip fits my hand as if made for it.

Light, nicely & "lively" balanced (more back in the hand instead of muzzle heavy), fast cycling and REALLY reliable with a wide range of factory ammunition ... and accurate. The short grip frame required them to design a new main (hammer) spring, and the trigger pull is a little on the stout side ... but the inherent and practical accuracy is really surprising for a couple of 3" & 3.25" subcompacts.

The recoil springs are specific to the CS guns within the S&W 3rd gen lineup. The CS9 uses a red painted flat wound spring and the CS45 uses a bilious green painted spring. I tend to replace mine sooner than in the larger compact & full-size guns, as these little guns develop some healthy recoil and have fast cycling ... and I just feel better erring on the side of spring replacement intervals to try and mitigate normal wear & tear. I try to replace my recoil springs every couple of cases fired (500 round cases) , give or take.

The Shield series may have replaced the CS9 & CS40 with similarly sized, thin subcompact pistols (with better grips, in the opinions of some folks ;) ) ... but we have yet (and may not) see something come along to replace the CS45. More's the pity, I'd think.

Enjoy the CS9. Congrats. ;)

If it were me, I'd order factory replacement recoil & mag springs, just to start out "fresh".

Keep the alloy-framed gun properly lubed (not excessively, but not under-lubricated, either, to keep the alloy rails in good condition).

Enjoy.
 
What did you do with your safety/ decocker? Looks like you cut it and filled the area with something to keep it on fire. I have been looking into doing something similar to this with my newly aquired cs9.

That's how S&W came up with a way to fill in the slide's left-side manual safety recess for guns changed over to the New Style DAO. It was first developed so TSW guns made in TDA configuration could be changed over to DAO, at the armorer level, if an agency desired, versus having to buy all new DAO guns.
 
What did you do with your safety/ decocker? Looks like you cut it and filled the area with something to keep it on fire. I have been looking into doing something similar to this with my newly aquired cs9.

I sent it to Smith and Wesson and had them convert the gun to Double Action Only (DAO), I believe it cost around 200-250 with overnight shipping through my LGS. Here's a pic of the other side
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If I could afford a 3913 I can't imagine wanting another 9mm. <sigh>

You know, that is EXACTLY how I felt after ordering my 3913 directly from the factory after my first armorer class, and then using & carrying it a LOT.

Then, one day, I let another instructor/armorer talk me into actually trying out his new CS9.

Shorter, lighter, with more of its weight balanced more rearward in my hand, its shorter & lighter slide making for faster cycling (and getting back on target faster) ... and the accuracy was at least a good as my well-favored 3913.

Lighter and smaller on my hip, too. Sigh ...

So, I ordered one, getting one of the newer versions (steel sights, ambi safety) ... and it's been great. I can actually use a pocket holster to carry it in some of my jackets. It makes for a bit less blocky of a profile than my G26, let alone my larger 3913 (which I'd not care to pocket holster carry).

Some comparison pics ... but bear in mind that perspectives in pics don't really show overall size differences from all angles, let alone "practical" differences and advantages/disadvantages. I've put smaller guns on top of larger ones and found they could look "bigger" from the perspective of the camera taking a 2D image. ;)

3913/CS9


CS9/G26


But ...


CS9/642

 
I haven't shot a lot of compact or sub-compact S&W autos, but I don't think the CS40 is at all snappy to shoot.

I resisted getting any .40 S&W for a long time, as I'm a bit older than a young guy, and not too tolerant of abusive recoil. I finally grabbed a 4026 that I couldn't resist, and it's now become one of my favorites.

Then a nice two-tone CS40 came along (black bottom and SS top, steel sights and ambi, w/TDR69xx serial) and again I couldn't resist so ended up with a really nice shooting compact 3rd gen. I was surprised that the recoil isn't evil at all, very manageable. I wouldn't hesitate to use it for a day-long training.

I got to try a friend's Kimber Solo compact 9mm - that was a lot more uncomfortable that the CS40, and I'm surprised that they put such a light trigger on that kind of carry gun. Surprised the heck out of me with the first shot - one of those "I'm glad I was on target before touching the trigger" moments. I think it was the absence of creep that got me.

Back to S&W - the CS40 has become my daily wear option now, in a neat little minimal OTW pancake holster from Lefty. Easily worn with just a T-shirt. I did add the longer style Big Dog grips to give a little more grip area and they blend better with the magazine floorplate.

Bottom line, I don't think I will ever part with it.
 
I have enjoyed the cs9 so far, in the past few days of owning it. I'm still not sure if I like it as much as my glock 19 though. The grip is a bit wide
 
I'm enjoying the CS9 so far. It'll be my summer carry as soon as I try enough of my preferred 147 gr load through it. It rides in an IWB holster much nicer than the old Glock 26 I tried to like, feels better in my hands, and shoots better. Colder months, such as we have in this part of Texas, will be given over to the 3953.
The previous owner had already replaced the plastic guide rod, not that I was much concerned about that. I never gave the issue a second thought on the 908. The recoil spring that came with the all metal rod has the same number of coils as the original (15) but is a 1/4 inch shorter.
I'm still curious about the date of manufacture. serial is EKW3xxx. Any help?
 
The recoil spring that came with the all metal rod has the same number of coils as the original (15) but is a 1/4 inch shorter.

Bear in mind that it's normal for a recoil (and mag) spring to take an initial "set" as soon as its compressed. I've replaced recoil springs in my CS guns, taken them right to the range, and when I clean them, the springs are already 1/4" shorter. I've had a couple of spring makers tell me that it's perfectly normal and expected.

I like to replace my recoil springs in my own CS guns a bit sooner than the typical factory recommendation. I've not experienced any functioning problems related to weakened recoil spring issues, though. I just like to err on the conservative side of preventive maintenance. (I ordered a dozen recoil springs each for my CS9/45 the last time, just to make the shipping cost worth it. ;) ) I replace the mag springs more along the lines of factory recommendations for both calibers, though.
 

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