daniel defence DD5v1 would you spend $3000?

[marathonrunner]

You don't know Rob do you? He's an ex Polish SF who does AK centric courses. His standard is all rifles have to be AK tough surviving Stalingrad. Some AKs he tests fail, I don't see a Bushmaster surviving he's tests either

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lol....but if you watch this video, he didn't drop it from a height that was no higher than shoulder high from the ground. I have seen tests where the AR15 was thrown much higher. But after he put locktite on the screws, then the hand guard did not shift but still for a $3K rifle, I don't think it is my job to add locktite

 

[Arik]

The knows quality of Bushmaster and Windham. I'd rather deal with a loctite screw

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[CRT2]

No, I would not spend $3,000.00 for DD; however, I did spend $3000.00 on a LMT308MWS. Is it as accurate as my Ruger Precision Rifle, not quite; however, I can ring steel at 1K yards with it. Shooting the 308 AR is more difficult than shooting a bolt action.

Do some 308 ARs have issues with ammunition, Yes. But, they can be resolved. Sometimes it is the ammunition and other times the rifle. Again the 308 AR is not as forgiving as a bolt action.

Won't give up my LMT. It loves 168 grain A-Max.

 

[KLYDE]

My current and only AR is a Windham 7.62x39mm SRC. I've had many, including Colts and I'll say that the quality of Windham is as good or better than any of the others I've owned.

If you are wanting a 30 caliber medium range rifle, look no further than the x39mm. Combat Arms featured a super article on the 7.62x39mm round last July. I was already a believer.

The title of the article about says it all. Great read if you can find it.
Klyde

 

[LAA]

I've always liked the Daniel Defense method of attaching the rail. I think it's superior to other systems, where most of the pressure concentrates on the barrel nut. However, that long Daniel free float barrel has the advantage of taking pressure off the barrel, which does help with accuracy, as free floats do. A disadvantage, is if you're purposely going to drop it on concrete. It's a long arm lever out there, which will put much more pressure on it's attachment point. I don't put expensive ARs together, with the idea of torture tests. It would be like buying an expensive & good looking motorcycle, only to see how well it holds up skidding on it's side.

 

[LAA]

My current and only AR is a Windham 7.62x39mm SRC. I've had many, including Colts and I'll say that the quality of Windham is as good or better than any of the others I've owned.

If you are wanting a 30 caliber medium range rifle, look no further than the x39mm. Combat Arms featured a super article on the 7.62x39mm round last July. I was already a believer.

I agree on the Windham. I think they're excellent quality for the price point. With my later ARs, I did go with those expensive triggers, and a few other features, but that Windham held up, and never failed. I wouldn't put Windhams, and current Bushmasters in the same catagory, as one reply did. I do know the Windham/Bushmaster story. It's why I bought the Windham, after ample research, for my first AR.

 

[KLYDE]

I agree on the Windham. I think they're excellent quality for the price point. With my later ARs, I did go with those expensive triggers, and a few other features, but that Windham held up, and never failed. I wouldn't put Windhams, and current Bushmasters in the same catagory, as one reply did. I do know the Windham/Bushmaster story. It's why I bought the Windham, after ample research, for my first AR.

About a year or two ago I purchased a Bushmaster on an LE discount for less than half of MSRP. I thought it was too good to pass up. Well, you know what they say about deals too good to pass up. Biggest piece of junk I had ever seen. Promptly sold it unfired for what I paid.

I put a Geissele Tricon (full power hammer spring) in the x39mm. About the only thing it needed.
Klyde

 

[LAA]

About a year or two ago I purchased a Bushmaster on an LE discount for less than half of MSRP. I thought it was too good to pass up. Well, you know what they say about deals too good to pass up. Biggest piece of junk I had ever seen. Promptly sold it unfired for what I paid.

I also put a Geissele Tricon (full power hammer spring) in the x39mm. About the only thing it needed.
Klyde

Good to know. I didn't look at the "new" Bushmaster, because of other numerous reports I had read about. But no first hand experience. I have put Geissele's in the last three ARs, I've put together. Good triggers!

 

[marathonrunner]

I agree on the Windham. I think they're excellent quality for the price point. With my later ARs, I did go with those expensive triggers, and a few other features, but that Windham held up, and never failed. I wouldn't put Windhams, and current Bushmasters in the same catagory, as one reply did. I do know the Windham/Bushmaster story. It's why I bought the Windham, after ample research, for my first AR.

My Windham's are very good and have never jammed or malfunctioned. I shot softpoint and FMJ and never has it double fed, failure to eject, or failure to anything. It's a solid rifle and I absolutely love them.

 

[marathonrunner]

This may not be as good as a $3,000 rifle and may not be as effective as a .308 round, but my Sport II I only paid $499 and it has worked every bit as good as my Colt LE6940. I am also left to wonder why do I need a 16" .308? The .308 is a rifle cartridge and designed for long distance, not for close quarters. I think with a soft point, the 5.56 for close quarters could be just as effective.

 

[CRT2]

This may not be as good as a $3,000 rifle and may not be as effective as a .308 round, but my Sport II I only paid $499 and it has worked every bit as good as my Colt LE6940. I am also left to wonder why do I need a 16" .308? The .308 is a rifle cartridge and designed for long distance, not for close quarters. I think with a soft point, the 5.56 for close quarters could be just as effective.

Given the conditions you describe, then the 5.56 is effective. However, the 223/5.56 is a 550 meter round and the 308/7.62X51 is an 800 meter round. At 500 yards the 223 has a velocity of 1598 FPS and energy of 312 ft/lbs. The 308 at 500 yards has a velocity of 1839 FPS and energy of 1261 ft/lbs.

Yes the 308 AR costs more, weighs more and is less maneuverable but if I can only have one rifle then I will take the LMT308MWS over my DD M4V5. However, if I was stuck with the DD M4V5 I would make do.

 

[vonn]

Interesting thread. In my experience there is no comparison in the stopping power of .308 versus 5.56 but if I needed a .308 battle rifle I don't think it would be an AR type for 3k.

 

[44wheelman]

I'm waiting for my ffl brother to tell me when the savage msr 10 are in stock. it's a no brainier for me, cause I can get it for cost, but even at $1300 street price, it's not too shabby.......just hope it lives up to the standards of my fp110.

 

[CRT2]

Interesting thread. In my experience there is no comparison in the stopping power of .308 versus 5.56 but if I needed a .308 battle rifle I don't think it would be an AR type for 3k.

Would an M14 clone suffice?

 

[marathonrunner]

Would an M14 clone suffice?

barrel is way too long and too heavy

 

[vonn]

Would an M14 clone suffice?

I believe the military dug them out of retirement when they needed a serious rifle. I started out with one many years ago and my clone does a pretty good job when I do my part.

 

[JH1951]

Would an M14 clone suffice?

It suffices for me. Call me a stick in the mud geezer, but I never quite forgave Uncle Sam for taking away my M14 and giving me a M16 that had a dismal out-of-the-gate track record. The stable now has a M1A that suits all of my needs except for economy of ammunition.

 

[gregintenn]

For only one?????

No.

 

[dave1918a2]

Being one of the old geezers on here I think I will stick with My Garand. I have some bandoliers and don't think I'll need 55000 rounds per kill as in SEA.

 

[Whitwabit]

Please remember that its generally accepted that you get what you pay for.

That was more true in the past then now .. I'm afraid many times your buying a name and past reputation that may or not sill be valid ..