daniel defence DD5v1 would you spend $3000?

[marathonrunner]

I was looking at this rifle at a gun store and it was certainly incredibly well built and very stout. However, I did a google search and found a lot of hits about feeding issues. I have read that many AR10's have issues with reliability is that true?

That said, to spend $3000 on one rifle seems ridiculous. I can get a BCM for probably $1700 . Anyway your thoughts.

 

[Safestuffer]

Gunbroker has several auctions for that gun at about $500 cheaper.
So if I were going to get one, I wouldn't pay full msrp when street price is that much lower.

 

[eb07]

No way I'd buy a scar 17

 

[paragain]

In a word NO! Lots of fine AR's for much less and unless you are going to battle it is a profound waste of money. Have you considered the S&W?

 

[dusty3030]

Not unless it alchemy'd the spent brass into gold. I just couldn't spend 3 grand on any kind of semi auto AR.

 

[marathonrunner]

Not unless it alchemy'd the spent brass into gold. I just couldn't spend 3 grand on any kind of semi auto AR.

This is so very true! I would be a fool to waste so much. I am looking at Windham's .308 with the free floated barrel

 

[shottist]

Please remember that its generally accepted that you get what you pay for.

 

[JohnRippert]

Nope. Other than my Colt 6920 all mine are self built mutts that cost $500-600 to put together. Even the 6920 was only $850.

 

[jack the toad]

That said, to spend $3000 on one rifle seems ridiculous. I can get a BCM for probably $1700 . Anyway your thoughts.

Because I can't afford to pay that plus I can build my own (and if I can do it, anyone can) using the parts I prefer, there's no way that I can see paying that much but I'm no expert.
Maybe apples to oranges but I've seen new DPMS AR10's for under $700.

 

[RV4driver]

Ask yourself, "is it twice to three times as good as" (insert name here).

Reminds me of the Tesla. Pathetic customer satisfaction numbers, amazing "would buy again" numbers.

 

[patrickd]

I'd be very disappointed after dropping 3K only to watch my $400 Savage .308 shoot circles around it.

 

[LAA]

My first "put together" (someone in another thread didn't like the term build), was in the $1600-$1800 bracket. The last two, around $1400 without optics. I owned a $800 dollar AR which worked just fine. But these three are even better. Just depends on what you want to spend for triggers, barrels, and the rest of components. There's even a lot of difference in free float rails, when it comes to machining, looks & finish.

In reality, sometimes twice is much, really is worth twice as much. As to three times, I don't know, since I haven't handled one.

 

[Arik]

Let's put it this way.

Rossi/Taurus/Windicator - S&W/Colt
DPMS/Windham - DD/BCM/KAC


Both shoot 38spl/357. So thus both are equal! Correct? What does S&W do that a Charter Arms doesn't?


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[marathonrunner]

Thanks for all the input guys! Tell me if you agree with this, but someone told me getting a .308 in a 16" barrel in an AR platform makes no sense for close quarters as the kick, and over penatration would make it less than ideal. also been told the best close quarters would be the 16" 5.56 which would be still better than a .45 Was also told if you are going to get a .308 then make sure it is a 20" barrel.

The Daniel Defense DD for $3000 is amazingly cool looking but I still can't justify it's hefty price tag when I can get Windham .308 with a midwest floated handguard for $1250 including tax. No is not as stout as the DD but I can get two Windham's for the price of one DD .308

 

[patrickd]

Thanks for all the input guys! Tell me if you agree with this, but someone told me getting a .308 in a 16" barrel in an AR platform makes no sense for close quarters as the kick, and over penatration would make it less than ideal. also been told the best close quarters would be the 16" 5.56 which would be still better than a .45 Was also told if you are going to get a .308 then make sure it is a 20" barrel.

The Daniel Defense DD for $3000 is amazingly cool looking but I still can't justify it's hefty price tag when I can get Windham .308 with a midwest floated handguard for $1250 including tax. No is not as stout as the DD but I can get two Windham's for the price of one DD .308

Looking for the best "close quarters" defense weapon? Look for a shotgun instead of an AR. Nothing is more effective in close quarters as a large gauge repeating shotgun.

 

[Arik]

Looking for the best "close quarters" defense weapon? Look for a shotgun instead of an AR. Nothing is more effective in close quarters as a large gauge repeating shotgun.

Which is why all SWAT/SRT members carry shotguns!

No matter how you slice it a SD 556 round has less recoil, more energy and more ammo. Unless youre shooting point blank or slugs
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[LAA]

Thanks for all the input guys! Tell me if you agree with this, but someone told me getting a .308 in a 16" barrel in an AR platform makes no sense for close quarters as the kick, and over penatration would make it less than ideal. also been told the best close quarters would be the 16" 5.56 which would be still better than a .45 Was also told if you are going to get a .308 then make sure it is a 20" barrel.

The Daniel Defense DD for $3000 is amazingly cool looking but I still can't justify it's hefty price tag when I can get Windham .308 with a midwest floated handguard for $1250 including tax. No is not as stout as the DD but I can get two Windham's for the price of one DD .308

I haven't spent one cent on AR's with the idea of what's best for close quarters. I've spent a lot of money on them, because I have a lot of fun with them in the desert. I also like the idea of cool looking ARs. To me, they are one of several hobbies, along with reloads of .223 & 300 Blackout.

Unless there is a Zombie attack, with ample warning, I won't have time to dig the ARs out of their cases. I do my my shotgun, 45's, 9mms, etc. , if required.

 

[marathonrunner]

I wasn't so scared before because I knew the chance of me actually buying the DD5V1 was slim and none, but now I am really thinking of possibly just possibly breaking out my credit card. But then again I can get a Windham RS16 with a Midwest Free Float that is not as good, but very reliable. I can pick that up for $1250. It seems crazy to spend $280 on a rifle that is simply overkill

 

[marathonrunner]

look at this video of a DD5V1 fail. The person dropped it on the ground and the 4 bolts that attach the free floated handguard shifted and caused the rail to be out of alignment with reciever. There were other problems as well. Good thing I did not buy this rifle. also this rifle had issues with trigger failing to reset. Think I will stick to Windham's, Colts, and believe it or not I love my Sport ii. I would be definitely be bummed out had I spent 3K on a rifle and then find out it had many issues. I am also thankful I was here kicking this question around and pondering before making a rash decision. I understand the vast majority of DD owners are not going to drop their DD on the ground, but you don't see ven rifles like Bushmaster or DPMS doing this stuff. [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IJU0zm1glY[/ame]

 

[Arik]

look at this video of a DD5V1 fail. The person dropped it on the ground and the 4 bolts that attach the free floated handguard shifted and caused the rail to be out of alignment with reciever. There were other problems as well. Good thing I did not buy this rifle. also this rifle had issues with trigger failing to reset. Think I will stick to Windham's, Colts, and believe it or not I love my Sport ii. I would be definitely be bummed out had I spent 3K on a rifle and then find out it had many issues. I am also thankful I was here kicking this question around and pondering before making a rash decision. I understand the vast majority of DD owners are not going to drop their DD on the ground, but you don't see ven rifles like Bushmaster or DPMS doing this stuff. Daniel Defense AR15, 2500 Rds Later: Died in my Arms... - YouTube

You don't know Rob do you? He's an ex Polish SF who does AK centric courses. His standard is all rifles have to be AK tough surviving Stalingrad. Some AKs he tests fail, I don't see a Bushmaster surviving he's tests either

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[marathonrunner]

You don't know Rob do you? He's an ex Polish SF who does AK centric courses. His standard is all rifles have to be AK tough surviving Stalingrad. Some AKs he tests fail, I don't see a Bushmaster surviving he's tests either

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lol....but if you watch this video, he didn't drop it from a height that was no higher than shoulder high from the ground. I have seen tests where the AR15 was thrown much higher. But after he put locktite on the screws, then the hand guard did not shift but still for a $3K rifle, I don't think it is my job to add locktite

 

[Arik]

The knows quality of Bushmaster and Windham. I'd rather deal with a loctite screw

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[CRT2]

No, I would not spend $3,000.00 for DD; however, I did spend $3000.00 on a LMT308MWS. Is it as accurate as my Ruger Precision Rifle, not quite; however, I can ring steel at 1K yards with it. Shooting the 308 AR is more difficult than shooting a bolt action.

Do some 308 ARs have issues with ammunition, Yes. But, they can be resolved. Sometimes it is the ammunition and other times the rifle. Again the 308 AR is not as forgiving as a bolt action.

Won't give up my LMT. It loves 168 grain A-Max.

 

[KLYDE]

My current and only AR is a Windham 7.62x39mm SRC. I've had many, including Colts and I'll say that the quality of Windham is as good or better than any of the others I've owned.

If you are wanting a 30 caliber medium range rifle, look no further than the x39mm. Combat Arms featured a super article on the 7.62x39mm round last July. I was already a believer.

The title of the article about says it all. Great read if you can find it.
Klyde

 

[LAA]

I've always liked the Daniel Defense method of attaching the rail. I think it's superior to other systems, where most of the pressure concentrates on the barrel nut. However, that long Daniel free float barrel has the advantage of taking pressure off the barrel, which does help with accuracy, as free floats do. A disadvantage, is if you're purposely going to drop it on concrete. It's a long arm lever out there, which will put much more pressure on it's attachment point. I don't put expensive ARs together, with the idea of torture tests. It would be like buying an expensive & good looking motorcycle, only to see how well it holds up skidding on it's side.

 

[LAA]

My current and only AR is a Windham 7.62x39mm SRC. I've had many, including Colts and I'll say that the quality of Windham is as good or better than any of the others I've owned.

If you are wanting a 30 caliber medium range rifle, look no further than the x39mm. Combat Arms featured a super article on the 7.62x39mm round last July. I was already a believer.

I agree on the Windham. I think they're excellent quality for the price point. With my later ARs, I did go with those expensive triggers, and a few other features, but that Windham held up, and never failed. I wouldn't put Windhams, and current Bushmasters in the same catagory, as one reply did. I do know the Windham/Bushmaster story. It's why I bought the Windham, after ample research, for my first AR.

 

[KLYDE]

I agree on the Windham. I think they're excellent quality for the price point. With my later ARs, I did go with those expensive triggers, and a few other features, but that Windham held up, and never failed. I wouldn't put Windhams, and current Bushmasters in the same catagory, as one reply did. I do know the Windham/Bushmaster story. It's why I bought the Windham, after ample research, for my first AR.

About a year or two ago I purchased a Bushmaster on an LE discount for less than half of MSRP. I thought it was too good to pass up. Well, you know what they say about deals too good to pass up. Biggest piece of junk I had ever seen. Promptly sold it unfired for what I paid.

I put a Geissele Tricon (full power hammer spring) in the x39mm. About the only thing it needed.
Klyde

 

[LAA]

About a year or two ago I purchased a Bushmaster on an LE discount for less than half of MSRP. I thought it was too good to pass up. Well, you know what they say about deals too good to pass up. Biggest piece of junk I had ever seen. Promptly sold it unfired for what I paid.

I also put a Geissele Tricon (full power hammer spring) in the x39mm. About the only thing it needed.
Klyde

Good to know. I didn't look at the "new" Bushmaster, because of other numerous reports I had read about. But no first hand experience. I have put Geissele's in the last three ARs, I've put together. Good triggers!

 

[marathonrunner]

I agree on the Windham. I think they're excellent quality for the price point. With my later ARs, I did go with those expensive triggers, and a few other features, but that Windham held up, and never failed. I wouldn't put Windhams, and current Bushmasters in the same catagory, as one reply did. I do know the Windham/Bushmaster story. It's why I bought the Windham, after ample research, for my first AR.

My Windham's are very good and have never jammed or malfunctioned. I shot softpoint and FMJ and never has it double fed, failure to eject, or failure to anything. It's a solid rifle and I absolutely love them.

 

[marathonrunner]

This may not be as good as a $3,000 rifle and may not be as effective as a .308 round, but my Sport II I only paid $499 and it has worked every bit as good as my Colt LE6940. I am also left to wonder why do I need a 16" .308? The .308 is a rifle cartridge and designed for long distance, not for close quarters. I think with a soft point, the 5.56 for close quarters could be just as effective.