Do recent events alter your perspective?

[Walkingwolf]

Nobody thought a bar in Dayton, Ohio was a target rich environment. Wait, one fella’ did . . .

Bars tend to be crowded, and some bars tend to have criminal acts that take place in them. I think that is where the term "bar fight" came from. They are also places that some patrons get drunk. I have heard of more shootings in bars than in grocery stores. Hell when I was in Springfield it was an almost nightly event.

 

[Grayfox]

I like to think that I have the skill and enough training to take on the bad guy. I would seek solid cover first. My thinking is that if he has to concentrate on me, he won't be shooting others.

But the real truth is that I have no idea how I would actually react in that situation. For all I know, I might instinctively just run like hell.

 

[TX-Dennis]

No changes here.

I would take the bad guy down with one shot from my trusty pocket pistol shot with my off hand from 100 yards away while eating an ice cream cone with the other hand.

And then I'd wake up from that dream and run away screaming like a little girl.

 

[HardToHandle]

Greg Ellifritz, a well-known firearms instructor, wrote up a good assessment on “mass shootings” this weekend. Ellifritz is a believer in empirical evidence. What is notable amongst all the noise is his thought-provoking personal metric/yardstick, to the point of the original post -

“At what distance can you guarantee a headshot with your carry gun? You need to know. Put yourself on a shot timer. Set it for two seconds. Start with the gun in hand, 10 feet from the target. Make the shot. If you make it in the two-second time frame, move back five feet. Keep doing that until you can’t reliably hit your target in two seconds. That’s your MAXIMAL engagement distance. Realize you will have to close to that distance in an active shooter event in order to make sure you don’t hit any innocent people. Most cops I train start missing shots around the 25 foot range. Do you still want to engage knowing you’ll have to run up within 25 feet of somebody who’s trying to kill everyone he sees?”
Active Shooter Response for the Armed Citizen | Active Response Training

 

[Rick_A]

For those with the Fudd mindset, those with intentions of ridding society of semi automatic rifles are also against the idea of self defense as a legal use of firearms altogether.

The issue is ultimately the operator, not the gun.

At worst, I'll have a pair of Airweights on my person, and that's just fine.

Despite the worldwide notoriety, these events are quite rare, and deaths by such circumstances are a relative statistical anomaly compared to everyday things that kill people.

 

[wingriderz]

No change for me either. It always comes up aboard here it seems when this evil in our world happens. 35 years plus while working it was always a pocket arm in holster. Now forced into a early retirement last five plus years been a non pocket IWB with extra mag

 

[Triggernosis]

I need one of those simply for my morning commute into Raleigh.

 

[Triggernosis]

Personally, I have never bought into 5rd pocket rockets as adequate. 5rds goes fast in a fight with a firearm armed attacker. Throw on most do not practice with of shoot their comfy carry gun, IMO, just not ready for any fight. In today's world of active shooters, I am glad I carry 10+1 & train & practice well beyond contact distance most snubs & pocket guns are used. Train, practice, repeat.

On the other hand, I don't believe more than a 5-shot capacity is necessary against an attacker with a high-capacity rifle. If you decide to engage and don't disable the attacker with the first couple of shots, likely a head or neck shot if they are wearing body armor like many of recent have done, your *** is grass! There likely won't be a "shootout" requiring a 15-round mag. dump and reload if you don't disable him with the first round or two. If you miss and draw his attention, well, there's not much chance of you needing many more rounds.

 

[Chief Wiggums]

Recent events simply SCREAM , "sharpen your situational awareness habits".
Watch the entrance & identify the exit.
Are there multiples of both?
Head on a swivel....

Out to dinner , out at the mall , going to the movies , Sunday mass , going to work , going where-ever......

Right now , my concern is the calendar.....
School is 2 weeks out - this scares me and I am fearless.
All that we can do is to preach to our kids , what to do in a worse case scenario while at school....

Wife & I carry "everywhere" , minus the schools and sporting events.

 

[Warren Sear]

On the other hand, I don't believe more than a 5-shot capacity is necessary against an attacker with a high-capacity rifle. If you decide to engage and don't disable the attacker with the first couple of shots, likely a head or neck shot if they are wearing body armor like many of recent have done, your *** is grass! There likely won't be a "shootout" requiring a 15-round mag. dump and reload if you don't disable him with the first round or two. If you miss and draw his attention, well, there's not much chance of you needing many more rounds.

Yeah, I hear the Army is switching to 5 round magazines for that very reason.

Jest kiddin'.

Nothing less than 15 rounds of 9mm hollow point for me, please.

 

[BAM-BAM]

To many variables to give an good answer...................not being law enforcement .......I won't be running to the sound of distant gunfire.....up close and personal would be another matter.

 

[fredj338]

you are more likely to die from the flu.

Then why carry at all?

 

[fredj338]

On the other hand, I don't believe more than a 5-shot capacity is necessary against an attacker with a high-capacity rifle. If you decide to engage and don't disable the attacker with the first couple of shots, likely a head or neck shot if they are wearing body armor like many of recent have done, your *** is grass! There likely won't be a "shootout" requiring a 15-round mag. dump and reload if you don't disable him with the first round or two. If you miss and draw his attention, well, there's not much chance of you needing many more rounds.

Reality, you would not engage with your 5shot. Why, because you already think you are out gunned. Most carry to feel comfy & fight off a purse snatcher. So you are maybe 25% ready for a true fight for your life imo. To each their own though. None of this changes the way I carry, train or practice.

 

[Okie21]

Then why carry at all?

Why wear a seatbelt?
Why get vaccinated?
Why lock your doors?

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[ladder13]

Statistics mean squat when you’re the .00000001

 

[keith44spl]

Planning & Preparation,

Prevents piss poor performance

All Y'all stay safe out there.........

.

 

[bulletslap]

Let's be honest here. Our parents did not need to carry assault rifles, how many from their generation were killed in random mass shootings? We've always had the mentally ill and pissed off in our society, only they were a whole lot less dangerous without a half dozen 30 round mags.

Want to talk about Israel, let's, I've been there, it's an extremely regulated and disciplined culture, where everyone over the age of 18 is mandated to join the Israeli Defense Force. After initial arms, hand to hand combat, and organizational movement training, all citizens will return home with their assault rifles which they will lock up in IDF supplied arms locker. Because they have extremely tight immigration laws, and been fighting their mortal enemies since being established, the Israeli's are an extremely close knit society whose only mortal enemies live outside the walls.

The US society is anything but close knit these days, seems everyone has someone they don't like or hate, be it Mexicans, Blacks, Jews, Liberals, Christians, Muslims, whites, right wingers, hell, folks who part their hair on the wrong side. Now add in immigrants from over 120 countries, many who don't even speak English, and we're going to give everyone assault rifles, including those in inner city ghetto's, and somehow we're going to have less shootings?

About the only thing that would guarantee is we're not going to have an over population problem..

I would guess you do not remember the Race Riots of the 60s, or the 15 Dollar M1 Carbines, mail order even.

 

[blues7]

I would guess you do not remember the Race Riots of the 60s, or the 15 Dollar M1 Carbines, mail order even.

I do. Lived through 'em (at close range) in my teens in NYC. (No CCW for me then...heck, not even the premonition of a career in law enforcement.)

 

[imcrazy]

When I go out and about I almost always carry my M2.0 M&P 4" 9mm and a spare 17 round magazine.. There are times I also slip my Bodyguard 380 into my pocket as well.. I used to carry a Shield 9mm but, I didn't feel like the round count was adequate for the current threat level...

To those who think that making a certain class of weapons illegal will change anything, I think you're very short sighted.. To those who think it's not a icy slope covered in mud and sprayed with oil I think you're beyond blind...

 

[gman51]

Considering CC or any gun for that matter in a bar is illegal so that is about the same as a gun free zone.
Shooter in Texas chose a WM that is gun free no doubt because he figured less chance of armed customers to fire back at him. As armed as many Texans are I would just about bet that's why the shooter chose that particular WM. Cowards pick the weakest link.

If people would stop shopping at gun free businesses then businesses might take down those 30.06 or 30.07 signs due to loss of business.

No handgun is a match for a semi auto rifle. Best thing to do for preparedness is notice where the exits are or safest hiding places to become invisible to a shooter. Know your surroundings and notice suspicious actions.
These days if someone tried carrying an AK or AR in public for protection they are very likely to cause chaos after someone screams he has a rifle. Open carry of rifles has been legal in many states but people are seldom seen carrying them. It just might come to that though. Would it be accepted? Probably not.
Those in power to make laws know very well that guns are not the cause of mass killings. Perhaps prescription psychotic drugs are a huge cause. I wonder when they talk controlling gun crime do they ever look at drug control might be the mental health answer to stopping or greatly reducing mass shootings?
Search mass murders and psychotic drugs. You decide which is more dangerous, a gun or a psychotic drug. You will be amazed with what you find out.