klondike
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A natural cycle. All of the planets in our solar system were warming and now cooling as they have been since time began. Top scientists think that the sun may play a part in this
phenomenon.
Do you believe in Global Warming?
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A natural cycle. All of the planets in our solar system were warming and now cooling as they have been since time began. Top scientists think that the sun may play a part in this
phenomenon.
The idiot on Channel 4 can't tell me if I'll need an umbrella tomorrow. Why should I believe any of these clowns can predict what will happen in fifty or 100 years, especially with flawed models and cherry-picked data?
If the greeners want to reduce greenhouse gasses, they can start with this one: Hold your breath, dummy.
If the greeners want to reduce greenhouse gasses, they can start with this one: Hold your breath, dummy.
VAdoublegunner
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It appears the climate has been in a warming trend for the last few decades (actually since the Little Ice Age that ended in the early 19th Century), but this is far more likely heliogenic than anthropogenic (yeah, I am an envionmental scientist and get to use those kinds of words). It's interesting to note that we are now in one of the calmest solar periods in nearly a century, remarkably low sunspot activity. This has been a trend for the last several cycles, as opposed to most of the 20th Century. What does it mean? Historically, it's gonna get colder if that keeps up. But people are easy to convince that an issue such as global warming is something they may have caused, and thus can control and do something about. And it's easy to scapegoat carbon or other anthropogenic sources as a causative based on popular belief and "sensible" correlation (brought to you by the same folks touting 'sensible gun control measures') vs. the sun, over which we have no control. We'd like to think we could even divert an asteroid that wanted to smack the planet, but turning the sun's thermostat up or down --- well, that's a little big even for Hollywood dreamers. In the early 18th Century a lot of scientists believed in phlogiston. A lot still do, just by a new name.
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The Seventys =New ice age
The Eightys=Hole in the ozone layer and acid rain
The Ninetys=Global warming
First decade of this century=Global climate change(cause global warming wasn't going quite how they predicted)
What will be next? Whatever the scientists can make a buck"studying".
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ohiobuckeye
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Most of us seem to agree global warming is merely part of the natural cycle that's been going on since the beginning of time. Who really cares whether a warming trend is caused by changes in solar activity, water vapor, or from cows farting too much. There's little or nothing we can do about most of the suspect variables, so do we join the radical nuts and kill off all the food animals in the world, become vegetarians, and start eating more broccoli?
Some of the benefits of warming would be extended growing seasons, lower heating costs and less fuel use, more girls in skimpy clothing...
Aside from inevitable changes in shorelines and weather patterns(all arguable as to possible severity) what's the down side?
Some of the benefits of warming would be extended growing seasons, lower heating costs and less fuel use, more girls in skimpy clothing...
Aside from inevitable changes in shorelines and weather patterns(all arguable as to possible severity) what's the down side?
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Spotteddog
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You didn't offer a choice for allowing a sweaty delusional huckster who's otherwise devoid of talent some significance while enriching himself during his rapidly approaching dotage?
mkk41
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No! Just look at the evening weather (or an almanac) and see the disparity in when the temp records were set over the years. Hottest day since 1932 , warmest day since 1953 , coldest since 1973 , rainiest since 1944. The weather runs in erratic cycles.
red14
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If we have had 7 ice ages, then we have had to have 7 global warmings. What I don't understand is how we caused them.
Someone ask Al Gore, maybe he can hear you over the jet engines.
Someone ask Al Gore, maybe he can hear you over the jet engines.
smith revolver cop
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Roger that! Unless you believe that the last ice age was finally ended by global warming resulting from the carbon footprint of cavemen driving their Flintstone-mobiles to their factory jobs every day... I still can't figure out why there's all this fuss over carbon-dioxide emissions. Aren't we supposed to be going "green"? Well, everything that is green NEEDS CO2 in order to conduct photosynthesis, which in turn releases oxygen.
parallel
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Ding! This is exactly what I believe. I'm all for clean air and clean water and I love nature as much as most, but NOT at the expense of human beings particularly when it has become a mixture of politics and religion for many.
BOB THE PALINDROME
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Yes, I believe in global warming. The globe has been warming since the "little ice age" back around 1150-1460.* The world has been warming and cooling pretty much forever and will continue to do so for a long time to come.
What I DO NOT believe in is the Bravo Sierra of Man Made Global Warming which is the biggest boondoggle since Eve sold Adam the apple. Cap and Trade will eviscerate what little Hussein leaves standing of our poor national economy while folks like Gore make money hand over fist selling carbon credits.
FWIW they are voting on this little issue this week so hide the women and children and tell your congress critter not only NO but HECK NO!!!!!!!!!
* http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/little_ice_age.html
What I DO NOT believe in is the Bravo Sierra of Man Made Global Warming which is the biggest boondoggle since Eve sold Adam the apple. Cap and Trade will eviscerate what little Hussein leaves standing of our poor national economy while folks like Gore make money hand over fist selling carbon credits.
FWIW they are voting on this little issue this week so hide the women and children and tell your congress critter not only NO but HECK NO!!!!!!!!!
* http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/little_ice_age.html
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mwtdvm
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While we agonize over a relatively minor temperature fluctuation, there are lots of other things all these people are doing to the environment that will bite us in our collective butt in the next 50-100 years. Fortunately, I will miss the event.
FirebirdV8
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As long as you pay for your sins (driving, eating, flying, using your computer to see this forum, etc) through carbon offsets you aren't actually hurting the enviroment. In fact, if you don't release some carbon, there will be no reason (money) for some other guy to be green enough to cover your sins. So, really the only way to save the planet is to help somebody else get paid to be green by not being green yourself.
Truthfully, I support renewable energy, as long as it helps bring energy independence. Do I think we are causing climate change, no. Do I want to stop sending my money to people who don't like us, yes. I just wonder why our politicians "support" renewable energy as long as they don't have wind generators or solar panels in their backyard. OK, I'm done for now.
Truthfully, I support renewable energy, as long as it helps bring energy independence. Do I think we are causing climate change, no. Do I want to stop sending my money to people who don't like us, yes. I just wonder why our politicians "support" renewable energy as long as they don't have wind generators or solar panels in their backyard. OK, I'm done for now.
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What is this about money for Big E-Gore. Is that a Texas or Textile company?
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Grayfox
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Do I believe in Global Warming? No. Global Warming is a fraud created by unscrupulous scam artists and politicians solely for the purpose of creating fear and seperating stupid people from their money.
Do I believe the climate is changing? Yes. Many places are getting warmer, but some are getting cooler. Likewise, rain and weather patterns are changing. Some are getting more and others are getting less. I also agree that its all part of a natural cycle our world goes through from time to time.
Now there's no doubt that we humans have polluted and damaged our environment. But to think that we actually caused these changes simply proves how arrogant humans can be.
As for over population, that too will take care of itself. Either by human means (war) or natural means (disease, famine, natural disaster, etc).
Nature always finds a way to achieve balance. And often the process of reaching that balance ain't pretty.
Do I believe the climate is changing? Yes. Many places are getting warmer, but some are getting cooler. Likewise, rain and weather patterns are changing. Some are getting more and others are getting less. I also agree that its all part of a natural cycle our world goes through from time to time.
Now there's no doubt that we humans have polluted and damaged our environment. But to think that we actually caused these changes simply proves how arrogant humans can be.
As for over population, that too will take care of itself. Either by human means (war) or natural means (disease, famine, natural disaster, etc).
Nature always finds a way to achieve balance. And often the process of reaching that balance ain't pretty.
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