Do you carry "+1" in your semi-auto?

[Walkingwolf]

You should do what you want to do, as long as it is legal. You could even carry a J frame with only five rounds if you want, or not.

This is a great country, we still have liberty to make personal choices.

 

[BB57]

Some gun manufacturers do not list +1 in capacity, most do. Glock does not, not in their manual, not in any catalog. One of the big problems that Glock had was broken frame rails, it cost a deputy his life. If I carry a Glock I carry a round chambered, but do not carry with the magazine topped off. The stress on the gun is obvious when inserting the magazine, or racking the slide.../

/...So far Glocks are the only guns I have seen with this problem, for me 16 rounds compared to 15 rounds, or a broken gun when it is needed most is clear....

We can argue about what models and/or generations of Glocks may be affected by this.

However, there are other pistols out there where the magazine will not easily seat in the well when it is topped off and the slide is in battery. (This can include the 1911, when certain magazines are used)

Anytime a full magazine cannot be seated in the magazine well without having to hit it to get it to seat, it's a very bad thing as it makes the reload difficult and it increases the probability of the magazine not locking in place. +1 loading doesn't do you much good when the magazine falls out after the next shot is fired.

 

[hkcavalier]

I always carry +1 in my Glock. Why not?

 

[Walkingwolf]

We can argue about what models and/or generations of Glocks may be affected by this.

However, there are other pistols out there where the magazine will not easily seat in the well when it is topped off and the slide is in battery. (This can include the 1911, when certain magazines are used)

Anytime a full magazine cannot be seated in the magazine well without having to hit it to get it to seat, it's a very bad thing as it makes the reload difficult and it increases the probability of the magazine not locking in place. +1 loading doesn't do you much good when the magazine falls out after the next shot is fired.

Glock is the only one I have seen personally with this problem. But I am sure there are others. Seems that single stacks are very easy to load, and insert magazines with slide in battery. As a personal choice I carry all my semi's except the Glocks +1. But I rarely carry the Glocks. Once trust is lost in a gun, for whatever reason I won't carry it.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

Even us revolver guys know that!
It's hard to do that with the Wheelgun, so we usually also carry grenades or dynamite.
After I traded for the Beretta 70s, I went in Search mode looking for mags.
I got co-fuse- ed and wound up with a 10 shot vs the regular 8 shot.
Yes it sticks out, but it locks and feeds correctly.

 

[67tempest]

Always, +1 in the chamber and then top off the mag.

 

[BAM-BAM]

How does one get +1 rounds into a revolver?

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I do it with careful use of a 12/32 drill bit................... LOL

or just buy a 686+; or that 8 shot N-frame!!!!!!

 

[Walkingwolf]

How does one get +1 rounds into a revolver?

With auto-loaders, I always carry a full mag +1 in the chamber, just as the guns are designed.

One does not, that is the point. Some people choose to carry five shot revolvers, and they are comfortable with that. It is none of my business, nor very bright to tell them how to carry.

I hardly see someone carrying five rounds as a disadvantage for most self defense situations. But then us revolver guys do not do mag dumps.

 

[Old cop]

I have a Gen2 LCP w/a Ruger 7 round mag and it works fine, fully stuffed w/7 rounds plus one for a total of 8. Although not carried often it is shot monthly and never a problem.

 

[eb07]

One does not, that is the point. Some people choose to carry five shot revolvers, and they are comfortable with that. It is none of my business, nor very bright to tell them how to carry.

I hardly see someone carrying five rounds as a disadvantage for most self defense situations. But then us revolver guys do not do mag dumps.

Mag dumps with accuracy are not only fun, but good training and did I mention fun? Especially when you use smaller 5x8" targets

Oh no the dreaded plus one in a Glock


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[Walkingwolf]

I have a Gen2 LCP w/a Ruger 7 round mag and it works fine, fully stuffed w/7 rounds plus one for a total of 8. Although not carried often it is shot monthly and never a problem.

From the Ruger website LCP's are listed as +1. You are carrying just as Ruger suggests.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

I have no idea why anyone would suggest that you not carry "+1". As far as I am concerned if your magazine is designed to carry X number of rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber then that's how you ought to carry it. I have taken my share of instruction and as a Texas licensed firearms instructor I have given my share of instruction and I always show folks, especially with 3rd Gen S&W pistols and similar decocking pistols, how to load the magazine, rack the slide, decock, then remove the magazine and load a round back in for maximum firepower.

This has nothing to do with my personal quest for firepower since I mostly carry 6 shot revolvers and sometimes 5s - but when I do carry a pistol it is loaded to the max because it is supposed to be!

 

[KSDeputy]

I always load the chamber, and the magazine full.

 

[Walkingwolf]

(snip) because it is supposed to be!

Is this a federal law, or a state law? Utah is the only state I know of with laws.

You were doing good until the last few words. It is supposed to be whatever the individual thinks it should be, as long as it is legal. For example without a carry permit in Utah it is against the law to carry chambered.

 

[VThillman]

Don't over think it. Springs wear out from use not from compression. A lot of mags in 45acp tend to be hard when inserting the last round. All my Glock 21 mags are like that yet they never failed

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Hah. I think I have identified my special Smith & Wesson Forum antagonist.

The added resistance I refer to is not a continuation of gradual buildup; it comes on quickly and builds quickly. I believe that is an indication of over stress. I got the notion from a guy that claimed to be a 'spring engineer', but I may be misapplying his message. So shoot me.

 

[Arik]

Hah. I think I have identified my special Smith & Wesson Forum antagonist.

The added resistance I refer to is not a continuation of gradual buildup; it comes on quickly and builds quickly. I believe that is an indication of over stress. I got the notion from a guy that claimed to be a 'spring engineer', but I may be misapplying his message. So shoot me.

Say what? You got that from what? Because I didn't agree with you? Ok then! Stick with that

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[BigDog48]

He was saying that the first round in a full magazine sometimes puts too much pressure on the slide above it and may result in the slide not being able to freely move upon firing and eject the fired casing and pick up the new round.
I've never had any trouble in that regards with my P232 or my 92FS. Must be those danged Flocks he's so fond of....

If that's the case (which it is for me and most I know who carry pistols), you should practice with it, and if the pistol won't handle it, you're getting cheated and should sell it. The ONLY sensible way to carry a semi-automatic pistol is with one on the chamber and a mag "re-filled" or topped off to capacity.

 

[Walkingwolf]

If that's the case (which it is for me and most I know who carry pistols), you should practice with it, and if the pistol won't handle it, you're getting cheated and should sell it. The ONLY sensible way to carry a semi-automatic pistol is with one on the chamber and a mag "re-filled" or topped off to capacity.

So people who do things the way they want, and not your way are not sensible?

I carry my 1911's +1, my wife carries her Pavona +1. But I never would push my carry on others, it is their personal decision whether I do it or not. I call it respect, but now realize it is not sensible.

I would say any gun that will not function with less than a full magazine is not safe to carry.

 

[Triggernosis]

Geeez....this thread ran off in the ditch fast enough, didn't it?

 

[Walkingwolf]

Geeez....this thread ran off in the ditch fast enough, didn't it?

No more than a caliber thread, or revolver versus semi auto thread. Or any thread where there are more than one choice. It is the beast of the internet. As much as I love being online, I often wonder if there would be less conflict if it was not invented.